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2008/10/21 22:27:54 (permalink)

Mastering Plugins

i know there is now RULES and its about taste, but i wanna focus in the popular/common plugins in mastering step,
so what plugins used in mastering step ?
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    mudgel
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    RE: Mastering Plugins 2008/10/21 22:57:24 (permalink)
    I start with Ozone 3 and if I can't do it with that or need more I add to or replace Ozone with some others depending on the music's genre and target medium eg. CD, DVD or MP3 etc

    I stick pretty much to the SONAR plugs like:
    LP64 Multi
    LP64EQ
    Boost 11
    Vintage Channel
    Lexicon Pantheon for Reverb sometimes.
    I also have T-Racks but admit to not having really spent much time with it yet.
    I haven't tried the new S8 plugs like Transient Shaper yet

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    RE: Mastering Plugins 2008/10/21 22:59:11 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: music4me

    i know there is now RULES and its about taste, but i wanna focus in the popular/common plugins in mastering step,
    so what plugins used in mastering step ?


    I used the Ozone tools in SF9 for a while but lately I've been using the UAD Precision stuff and have been very pleased.

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    RE: Mastering Plugins 2008/10/21 23:11:46 (permalink)
    Concentrate on Boost11 and LP64EQ. Those are fine plugins and you already have them. Just go easy with Boost11 and don't put either one on the main bus until you're 90-95% finished with mixing.

    I, too, use Ozone and love it. But if you don't want to spend another couple hundred bucks, you already have some perfectly good tools to use. And you're right - it really is more about taste and technique than what software you use.


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    RE: Mastering Plugins 2008/10/21 23:37:41 (permalink)
    any place for WAVES ? like L3-LL MULTIMAXIMIZER ?
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    RE: Mastering Plugins 2008/10/21 23:43:37 (permalink)
    An excellent product. But don't go out and buy it expecting magic. If you can't get good results with Boost11, you probably won't have much better luck with Multimaximizer or Ozone or UAD or the Oxford Limiter or any of the dozens of other limiter plugins on the market.


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    RE: Mastering Plugins 2008/10/22 07:32:21 (permalink)
    I tried Ozone just recently. It's pretty cool but the results I got with it didn't convince me to part with $200 (or whatever they charge for it). I already have some good mastering tools but I wanted to see what all the fuss was about. You can download and use Ozone free of charge for 10 days - all functions work. Then it converts to demo mode and adds silence or noise every once in a while. But you should be able to determine whether you like it or not in 10 days I would think.

    PS - I should qualify something - if you have nothing and are looking to get something, Ozone is probably a good place to start looking. There are a lot of nice features about it. You can even measure the EQ settings of other songs and apply them to your song which might come in handy if you're looking for a quick way to get a good setting dialed in. These days Sonar comes with some nice tools too and of course, there are other products on the market. I use my Creamware/Sonic Core Optimaster/PsyQ products mostly and haven't found a reason to switch from those. The Elephant mastering limiter is pretty good for smaller, less-involved stuff.
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    RE: Mastering Plugins 2008/10/22 07:58:39 (permalink)
    I just recently demoed Ozone as well and will probably be buying it in the near future. I like how the harmonic exciter has helped my mixes, the limiter I personally feel is better than Boost11. I like that I get a better feel of the RMS levels in Ozone than I do trying to use the tools within Sonar.

    Now, I'm not saying that the plugins we have in Sonar 8 aren't good for that kind of stuff, I just like the way Ozone is geared specifically as a mastering toolkit.

    Mudgel - I think the transient shaper isn't really a mastering type of tool, but rather a tool to be used for things like percussive instruments.

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    RE: Mastering Plugins 2008/10/22 08:07:49 (permalink)
    Like I said
    I haven't tried the new S8 plugs like Transient Shaper yet


    that's why I don't know about their uses

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    RE: Mastering Plugins 2008/10/22 08:46:10 (permalink)
    I use the BBE Sonic Maximizer on all of my mixes, it just gives it that clarity almost like an exciter. You have to be careful with it though, like all of these things.

    Not to hijack this thread, but it is sort of on the same subject:

    What are recommendations about compressing the master bus, if you're sending the final mix to be professionaly mastered anyway? Do or don't?


     

     
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    RE: Mastering Plugins 2008/10/22 10:21:19 (permalink)
    When I mastered my first CD in June Ozone 3 Rocked for me. Once I figured it out of course. I think I read their manual 4 times through. I have SP 6 so I don't have Boost. That did play into my decision when I got Ozone 3.

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    RE: Mastering Plugins 2008/10/22 10:29:08 (permalink)
    +1 for Ozone 3 with the latest upgrades

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    RE: Mastering Plugins 2008/10/22 10:48:44 (permalink)
    i have ozone and it serves me well

    the new tracks-3 though looks pretty amazing, i will be checking it out nov 10

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    RE: Mastering Plugins 2008/10/22 12:37:11 (permalink)
    Now, who needs another 3rd part mastering plugin when you can do this with the tools that already come with Sonar?

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    RE: Mastering Plugins 2008/10/22 13:25:15 (permalink)
    why get a pickup truck when a wheelbarrow will do?? ......


    ORIGINAL: Mike Kohlgraf

    Now, who needs another 3rd part mastering plugin when you can do this with the tools that already come with Sonar?

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    RE: Mastering Plugins 2008/10/22 13:42:17 (permalink)
    Some options:

    1. EQ, Multiband, Limiter
    2. EQ, fast buss compressor, Limiter
    3. Either of the above along with a parallel path which goes straight to the master buss which you bring up under one of the above chains. Try a variety of compressors to see which one enhances the music.

    There are several OTB methods as well. Not going to cover that here.

    Options: Slight reverb on the overall mix, Maximizer, Spatial Designer. Make sure your clips have fades at the beginning and end and crossfades on sequential tracks that do not require gaps. Also remember, space between songs is like sorbet to the pallet.

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    RE: Mastering Plugins 2008/10/22 13:43:36 (permalink)
    UAD makes some top notch ones - limiters, compressors, multiband compressors, mastering eq...Of course you need the UAD card but if you go for it, you won't be disappointed.

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    RE: Mastering Plugins 2008/10/22 13:45:14 (permalink)
    Sure, just plug in this and you're good to go:

    http://www.manleylabs.com/BIGPIXPAGES/VariMupic.html

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    RE: Mastering Plugins 2008/10/22 13:49:07 (permalink)
    if your new to such plugins then learn the ones in sonar...

    you can demo ozone after that...

    but with v4 of ozone being out in january time you might be able to pick up v3 cheaper.. I picked mine up from my local pro audio shop cheaper due to a dented box.. saved myself £30 ($60) all for a dented box..

    so in january you might find shops are trying to get rid of old stock of v3.

    I'm not so quick to upgrade to v4 until I see if it's such a masive improvement.
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    RE: Mastering Plugins 2008/10/22 13:54:59 (permalink)
    Ozone 4 is out in January, and it will have Mid/side processing. I have no idea if that's something I need...
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    RE: Mastering Plugins 2008/10/22 13:56:54 (permalink)
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    Sure, just plug in this and you're good to go:

    http://www.manleylabs.com/BIGPIXPAGES/VariMupic.html




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    RE: Mastering Plugins 2008/10/22 14:00:58 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: Mike Kohlgraf

    Now, who needs another 3rd part mastering plugin when you can do this with the tools that already come with Sonar?

    [sm=rolleyes.gif]


    With all due respect, where are the dynamics? Perhaps it's the MP3 conversion or whatever but there are no dynamics on the track...The perceived loudness is the same from the start to the end...Even a simple zoom on the waveform shows that...That, IMO, is not "mastering"...That's just trying to make it seem as "loud" as other material...

    BTW, I love the tune...I listened several times at different monitor levels and I just can't find the "heart" of the dynamics that SHOULD, IMO, be there...

    Exactly what SONAR "tools" did you use at the "mastering" (or "mixing") stage? I hear a lot of compression/limiting/expansion that, IMO, is distracting and somewhat fatiguing. If that's the sound you were trying to get then forget anything I've said...Perhaps your idea of "Smooth Jazz" is different than mine.

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    RE: Mastering Plugins 2008/10/22 14:24:02 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: musicman100

    why get a pickup truck when a wheelbarrow will do?? ......


    ORIGINAL: Mike Kohlgraf

    Now, who needs another 3rd part mastering plugin when you can do this with the tools that already come with Sonar?

    [sm=rolleyes.gif]




    LOL !!!!!!!!!! Exactly!

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    RE: Mastering Plugins 2008/10/22 14:25:55 (permalink)
    LOL !!!!!!!!!! Exactly!


    Ummm, I think you missed the point of the "wheelbarrow" reply...

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    RE: Mastering Plugins 2008/10/22 14:25:59 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: papa2004


    ORIGINAL: Mike Kohlgraf

    Now, who needs another 3rd part mastering plugin when you can do this with the tools that already come with Sonar?

    [sm=rolleyes.gif]


    With all due respect, where are the dynamics? Perhaps it's the MP3 conversion or whatever but there are no dynamics on the track...T


    Yeah well, If I had a way to send you the broadcast wave, you'd be hearing something entirely different with lots of dynamics in there. A 16 bit mp3 only sounds so good.

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    RE: Mastering Plugins 2008/10/22 14:28:33 (permalink)

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    LOL !!!!!!!!!! Exactly!


    Ummm, I think you missed the point of the "wheelbarrow" reply...


    Well, Papa ... if it fits in the wheelbarrow, no need for a truck ...

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    RE: Mastering Plugins 2008/10/22 14:32:39 (permalink)
    A 16 bit mp3 only sounds so good.


    Granted, but the compression ratio isn't usually as severe as what I was hearing...Oh yeah, you still haven't mentioned the tools you used (or how you used them)...

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    RE: Mastering Plugins 2008/10/22 14:47:50 (permalink)
    Well, Papa ... if it fits in the wheelbarrow, no need for a truck ...


    I'm guessing you don't really understand the obvious correlation between "load weights" and "distance needed to be travelled"...Many times a wheelbarrow just isn't the right "vehicle" for the job at hand...I can pile 500 lbs. of sand into a wheelbarrow...How far (over various terrains) I can move it is an entirely different matter...

    Bottom line: You thnk your mix/master sounds great? Fine. I won't argue with your opinion--It's your material. If you're happy, that's great...Others may think there's room for improvement...If you aren't willing to accept those opinions, don't expose yourself to them...

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    RE: Mastering Plugins 2008/10/22 15:40:03 (permalink)


    Voxengo CurveEQ >>>>>>> Voxengo Elephant (It's a wrap)
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    RE: Mastering Plugins 2008/10/22 18:31:20 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: papa2004

    A 16 bit mp3 only sounds so good.


    Granted, but the compression ratio isn't usually as severe as what I was hearing...Oh yeah, you still haven't mentioned the tools you used (or how you used them)...


    Still at work, Papa ... have to get home to sit and look either at my production notes or look at the original process....

    Most of that mix is done with EQ, some reverb and VC 64 and some of the instruments.... as far as I remember, I didn't use any compressor/limiter on the master bus/

    Can't remember off the top of my head what else...

    Anyway, I try to get back with you on that!

    You also have to remember that Mp3's are compressed versions of the original at a much lower bit rate ... obviously, you will loose a lot of the dynamics there and when listening to it, it may not sound bad, but it sounds like the dynamics are totally missing. But, you knew that already!

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