May be the most basic and stupid questions, but although searching everywhere, I need help

Being primarily a vocalist, I have been using Sonar to track vocals for other producers that are mostly using pro tools. In that respect I have had no issues with Sonar whatsoever and it has performed flawlessly. I'm very happy with he software.

Now I want to progress with my own music. I know i am not using SonR anywhere near its capabilities. Some time go I purchased Sonar producer upgrade with Notion. I love Notion, can write my piano parts, but I have to create an audio to import in Sonar. If I want to change a part, I have to go back to Notion, make the change and then export again to audio before importing to Sonar. I'd love to be able to use Notion directly in Sonar (which is why I thought it was possible when they bundled it) and then assign different instruments to parts rather than just having to use piano that is in Sonar. I have scoured the web for ages and I think that it may not be possible with my setup. I am using Sonar X1 expanded 64x and I believe Notion is 32x. From what I have read, Sonar has to be 32x and then you can use Rewire to do this. Is this correct? I hope I am wrong as I'd like to keep my Sonar a 64x, This is so disappointing. Is it possible to use Notion within Sonar if I upgrade to Notion 4 which I think is 64x and then use Rewire? Is here anyone else using both of this software together that can help a newbie like me? I would appreciate it so much.

The other question I have which is probably so basic I am embarrassed to ask, but here goes. I'd like to be able to use some loops, but can't figure out how it is done. Of course I know how to load the loop, but it is very short. Am I supposed to copy it again and again for the length of the song? This must be such a basic question, but I can't find it in the manual nor on the web. I'd love to utilise some of the included loops together with my own playing.

I don't understand exporting audio in Notion. Why not save the Notion file as a midi file and open that midi file or, import it into Sonar.  When I say "open Sonar" with the midi file, I mean right click on the midi file and select open with and direct it to Sonar. Using the "open with" cption will keep all the parameters of the midi file intact such as key, key changes, tempo, tempo changes etc. Importing the midi file won't keep that info. You would have to re-enter any of that information. From there, you just route your midi to a soft synth. The staff view is limited in Sonar but you can work with it. If you need to make drastic changes, you would have to export that midi track, import it back to Notion, do the process over again only you won't have to use the open with. You can just import it back into Sonar.

As long as you don't use 3s, 5s, 6s, 7s or any other wierld timing note series, you can edit it in Sonar.

After reading Guitarpima's post I may have misunderstood what Notion is. If so, my apologies.

Ah, notation software. Yup... totally misunderstood. Sorry.

Besides dragging a loop to copy it, you can also copy it, and then use "Paste Special" to say how many copies of it you want it to paste into the track.

Thanks for all the help!
Sidroe - how do you find X2 better than Notion? I find the notation capabilities in X1 not very good - that is why I purchased Notion and find that is is much better than the built in notation capabilities in Sonar. Am I missing something in X2 compared to X1?

Brundlefly - seems like a lot of effort. I thought that this would be simple. As I mentioned, I'm a newbie. I think I will try the MIDI way. At least then I can use what instruments I like. If I have to change a part, I will just have to go back to Notion, change it and then import the MIDI again to Sonar.

For some reason I had the magical idea that you an use Notion straight in Sonar, edit the notes etc and apply different instruments and have it all syncing perfectly with all the other tracks and I couldn't figure out how to do this.  I guess I must have had a fantasy. :-)

Don't know nothing about Notion but loops can mean 2 things - one is a simple bit of music you'd like to make longer, while the other is what is commonly know as an acidized loop (groove clip in SONAR speak).

If you have 12 bars of blues you just copy and "paste special" as said above.

Or you can "groove clip" it and turn it into an acidized file so it matches the tempo and base note.  This clip or an acid file you find or buy (which has the same groove clip info imbedded in it) can simply be rolled out - as many copies as you need.  See above.  It should follow tempo/chord changes.  A groove clip will have blunted angles instead of sharp at the edges.

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