Maybe a SONAR opportunity? NI kills Kore

Check it:
http://www.synthtopia.com...kills-kore-kompletely/

Lest this get moved, my reason for posting this is that adding metadata-based searching for sounds, presets, projects, etc. (read: asset mgmt) has been something on people's want list for a while. Cubase has their own system, Studio1 has theirs as well.

While I love it and want it, it doesn't seem like a small task to add...it seems enormous. Kore gets brought up as the "already doing it" product...with good reason...until now I suppose.

Cake's Sound Center already seems to be on the right track, if they choose to build on it and not abandon the idea like has happened with a few of Cake's initial forays (Beatscape, ACT, the Matrix View, CAL, Studioware...)

I think ultimately a universal solution would be best (MIDI anyone?) but still think it's potentially cool for SONAR to have a built-in comprehensive librarian features for all assets.

Damn and blast, I am a dedicated Kore user. Oh well. I will keep using what I've got for now, but definitely I think there will continue to be a need for something that does what Kore does so well, combining central organization, control and sound-design possibilities... CW, how's about combining a Sound Center on steroids, an updated and fully-functional ACT, and expanded FX chains into one central massive hub for everything? 

I would much rather have a wrapper VST (there are already a few out there) to be the librarian, or just add sophisticated sticky folders and drag and drop with traditional .fxb (bank) and .fxp (presets) in the "new" file browser - perhaps for X2. I would be unamused to see yet another format within a format such as sound center, which I believe is just Dimesnion based sample playback.

Mu guess is that Komplete 8 will include the Kore 2 software.

no way Kore will be in Komplete 8; that would be counterproductive to NI's current business model and strategy, which is to turn Maschine into their force that unites them all.  i actually doubt there will be a Komplete 8

Maybe there'll be an "inKomplete"

wetdentist

no way Kore will be in Komplete 8; that would be counterproductive to NI's current business model and strategy, which is to turn Maschine into their force that unites them all.  i actually doubt there will be a Komplete 8

Interesting. I've actually been wondering when they will dump the Komplete concept - they've discounted it so far now that it wouldn't surprise me if it's messing with the rest of the business model. 


I have observed the ascendance of Maschine with some trepidation, since it's something that doesn't interest me all that much, and I hope it doesn't completely take over the NI planet, as most of their other stuff I like a lot. It doesn't seem to have interfered with them getting (finally) most of the rest of the fleet into pretty good shape and 64-bit native (Kore is the last one left, and if they actually do that before shutting it down I'll be both delighted and surprised). 

I have a feeling I'll jump on the current upgrade sale to get the rest of Komplete7 (I have most of it, but the missing pieces are still pretty great value at €99) and then wait a bit to see where the chips fall in terms of NI's future evolution. 

Yeah it's all pretty strange to me. There was a sound designer posting recently with them here in Berlin, which I actually applied for, in which emphasis was placed on two things: a) deep familliarity with Kontakt and Guitar Rig; and b) ability to interface with an international community of independent third-party sound designers. Read from that what you will... but generally, it seems like things will be different there... 

vintagevibe

I think Komplete would be awesome if you had the choice of using individual apps like Absynth or controlling all of them with  a quick and easy interface like Kore software.  Some people want deep programmability and others (like myself) want easy sound choosing with quick and basic editing.

Indeed, that's exactly the setup I use - Kore and Komplete are such a great combination, I really have no idea why they are dropping the line - in fact, they've already dropped it, it's unavailable and so are a number of the Kore soundpacks that were driven by it - Deep Transformations, Reconstructions and Freq for example (I'm a bit bummed about this because I had intended to pick up Deep Freq, and now I can't; I have and greatly enjoy Deep Reconstructions). 

I will continue to use Kore as my central organization/control point until someone comes up with something better, I guess. Really quite bummed about this right now though, as it had potential to be so much more. I would have considered upgrading the hardware eventually too, if they kept evolving it - I'm on a gen1 controller. Too bad. 

I understand the need to narrow the number of products in development. Resources can only be stretched so far before products start to suffer. Really though, this introduction and subsequent abandonment of fine products is beginning to make me very wary of new purchases.
 
Here is my tale of woe:
Frontier Designs Tranzport
Focustrite Liquid Mix
TC Electronic Powercore
Axon AX100 mkII
Kore 2
Line 6 POD, POD XT, POD X3, POD X3 Live (not all discontinued, but replaced with "improved" units)
Event TR8 (one blew, and would have bought another to replace if possible, but instead had to go with different monitors)
Novation Remote 61SL
UA DCS Preamp
Edirorl M16 DX
 
All still work, but some are tied to outdated OS, and at some point will be unusable. I can't say that about analog hardware, although the year after I bought a UA LA-610, they came out with the LA-610 mkII. The upgrade and replacement cycle is taking up far too much of the time I would like to spend writing, playing, recording and mixing. Not to mention the fact that I have to learn how to work the new stuff, and it is never simpler than the old stuff.
 
I think I'll go have a cup of coffee with a shot of Grand Marnier and then get back to work.
 
Paul

Yeah but all gear gets replaced and becomes outdated eventually...if you keep your eye on the "cutting edge" anyway.

 
I have some guitars that not only aren't outdated, but are actually more valuable and desirable than ever. Microphones are the same way, and of course good preamps, eqs, and compressors never get outdated. If my psychic was worth the money I pay her, she would pick out the stuff that goes up in value and steer me away from those that are being discontinued. Unfortunately, she can barely get messages from dead relatives, or maybe that is fortunate, depending on which relative.
 
You are so right about categorizing sounds by type and being able to access them easily. In the early days of electronic keyboards I used to tweak presets and play with oscillators and ASDR envelopes. Pretty much had to if I wanted decent sounds. Now there are sound designers who have done all the hard work for me, and much better than I ever could. Finding the good sounds in some of the newer huge (overblown) soundsets takes as much time as tweaking your own sounds though. Kore really integrates nicely with Komplete by putting the sounds into real world categories, and it makes auditioning sounds (and changing them) so much simpler.
 
I'll keep it running as long as I can, and if someone (Cakewalk) makes a software equivalent that plays nice with Sonar I would be interested.
 
Paul