Maybe in the wrong forum, but all non believers need to read this!!!!!

Hi bigsmoove23,
Funny thread title.  I am a believer in the principles of acoustics as it relates to the environment in which you record as many others are too.  That is why every major studio has spent huge sums of money on 'tuning" their rooms.  Your simple yet effective experiment was simple to perform and now makes you better understand how important this is.  Good job.

Rimshot

I am HEALED!. Seriously - I have thought the room treatment thing was over rated tho I've been hearing it more and more from trusted sources. 
(That and great near field monitors) This is the final straw tho. I'm going to do it as the acoustic recordings (vox and guitar) have been the hardest to tame.
Thanks for that and for the link to the Se Electronics Reflexion. 
Are there any other comments on that unit? 
It looks perfect for the bedroom studio that has to double as a home office where clients need to come and not be weird-ed out.
What about  affect from the rear, top and bottom? (get a big belly and big felt hat?)

+1!

"non-believers"????????

That's just stupidity.

What's there to "believe"?
What you put in is what you get out.

 Acoustic treatment is not a pseudo science. Often though,misguided but well intended room treatments make thing worse. At least a basic understanding of frequencies and their effects on our hearing at the monitors are very important before starting to treat a room.

 I have a lot of natural refection control in my mixing area and this really helps me with the higher frequencies. Bass was helped immensly by using ARC. FWIW total perfection in sound is  not totally possible in some settings. Augmenting with alternate speaker setups and headphones is a help as well.

 For vocals I back the microphone position right up to  a well filled closet and usually cover the front of the mike similar to what you have done,and that seems to work pretty well for me.

  I agree with Rimshot...I thought maybe this was some kind of an apocalyptic message.

You know I was trying to share a eye opening experience that I had so maybe some other people that was not quite sure would read it and maybe give it a try. Because I may be wrong but this is a forum to help people get better at recording music. But there is always someone on here that has to be a total **** and make me feel like a idiot. And this has happened several time the past few times I have posted so @timidi thanks for your comment but you can kiss my ass, **** you! I try to contribute to this forum and get kicked in the teeth for it. So I guess the stupid part of my original post, is posting to begin with.

Now I'm interested! Q for Reflexion Filter users: Some of the reviews I just read say this thing is "top-heavy". Not a lot of those comments, mind you. How does this thing mount/work on a normal mic stand? Thx.

Thanks guys, This is like the 4th post in a row that someone on here has given me a hard time, it just pisses me off to no end. But I am glad there are people on here that are understanding and appreciate the advice and comments and suggestions that are given by everyone. So thanks again everyone. and to everyone who thinks their post are not stupid and the greatest ever, thanks for wasting air every time you take a breath!

@bub Well this vocal booth i created, its the first time i had done this, but what i did this time was just hit record and walk into the makeshift vocal booth, but that is typically what i do anyway, just hit record and walk to my set up. as far as recording vocals go, when you are singing it helps to stand, because it is easier to push from your diaphram. so typically i make it so my computer mouse is within a arms reach, i put my headphones on, click record and go for it. i have never recorded in loops, give standing up a try and see if it helps.

I don't know why you took what I said so personally. Geez man, grow a pair.
I was referring to the title of your post. ie: "non-believers"
I guess if you are a non-believer you might be offended. Sorry about that.

But, I still stand by my statement.
If someone doesn't "believe" that proper room treatment isn't of great importance, then they are just stupid.
why is that wrong to say? They are. Maybe I'm misinformed, is there some ongoing controversy regarding room treatment not mattering like the mac vs. Pc. debate or something?

I wasn't attacking you. And, I still am not. Just saying what I think.
Maybe you should tone down your sensitivity a notch.

for you to call someone stupid who does not understand acoustic treatment or does not know about acoustic treatment, that is childish and i would consider that attacking someone, the title was simply attention grabber, my beliefs has nothing to do with it. if you think it is stupid then fine, but keep your mouth shut about and your thoughts to yourself.

Bub


Hi  bigsmoove23,

Just curious, how do you set Sonar to record? Do you set it to loop and do more than one take? Do you hit record and then go over to your recording setup?

I've been wanting to do something like this but I have very limited space in my music room. The way I do it now is I just have the mic to the side of my desk and spin on my chair. I spend a lot of time fixing bad vocal recordings.

Thanks,

Bub.

Just thought I would share; I have a setup I did on the cheap that really works great for self produced recording. I built a rolling cart, which is actually just the base of a broken office chair (it was a drafting chair, so it raises very high) with a piece of MDF bolted to it. I screwed a monitor to that, and use a wireless keyboard/mouse. Then, I got these:
 
http://www.amazon.com/IOGEAR-DVI-D-CAT5e-Extender-GVE200/dp/B001FG0JB8
 
With a 25' CAT6 cable between the PC and the cart. It cost me very little, since I already had the chair base and monitor, and I can move the cart everywhere. Here is a picture of my setup, you can see it on the left:
 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/hillarystarpants/5644575670/in/set-72157626430201989
 
I just roll it to wherever I need to record; whether I'm doing session drum work or recording vocals/guitar for my own project, I just roll it to the "live area" and have everything next to me. 
 
I am big into acoustic treatment... the more you get into it, look into "Room EQ wizard" and visit the John Sayers forum and read up. I did a lot of acoustic treatment to my room, since it's so small, and I get a pretty good sound out of it considering the size (16x24 with 7' ceilings). But there's a lot of Rockwool up there! I have added more since that photo album, filling in almost all of the ceiling with 'clouds' and getting two more 2x2 wall panels for the live area. You can also see big bass traps in each corner, and there is a big 2'x2'x4' bass trap behind the workstation desk, wrapped in black burlap. I made everything except the dark red wall panels which came from ATS acoustics. Making panels is really pretty cheap, you might want to look into that.
 
Here's my website:
 
www.alleycatrecording.com 
   
Sorry to give you the story of my life here, but I had the same epiphany and decided that I would do everything I could to make my little room work! It's very rewarding when you hit PLAY.
 
bigsmoove,
 
If youever get into the room EQ program and measurment, or want to know anything about building the bass traps, supplies, tips, etc, PM me and I would be happy to share what I know. I'm no expert but I might have some useful knowledge rattling around in my head somewhere!
 
Dave
 
 
 

timidi


"non-believers"????????

That's just stupidity.

What's there to "believe"?
What you put in is what you get out.

It might help a bit if you toned down your rhetoric a bit as well sir....

Yes I agree the problem is the use of "Stupid" because it comes across as "I'm surprised you didn't know that because even I know it.. and if I know something you don't, you must not be as smart as I am."
We are pretty sure that's not what you intended to sound like tho.
What I love about this forum is that so many folks who are pros are happy to help those of us who are starting out.
I hope to be in that position one day.

about $700 in materials, over 20 hours labor, 28 4" thick 4X8 bass traps fill my room, and I am sooooo glad I did it!