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Meat Loaf's Bat Out of Hell album - Why?
I noticed that of all the people I know who really love Bat Out of Hell, none of them seem to be particularly musically inclined.
I also noticed that for a lot of music I don't like, I can at least see the appeal. To me, this just sounds like a badly overacted high school musical.
Can anyone enlighten me on what I've been missing? Or is this album actually a litmus test?
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Re: Meat Loaf's Bat Out of Hell album - Why?
2017/02/02 13:34:37
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Re: Meat Loaf's Bat Out of Hell album - Why?
2017/02/02 13:41:02
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My missus loves Meatloaf, and has played that album and various greatest hits collections to death. She also loves musicals like Les Miserables, singers like Alfie Boe and 'power ballads'. She usually describes anything I might put in the CD player on a car journey as 'waily'. 
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Re: Meat Loaf's Bat Out of Hell album - Why?
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☄ Helpfulby BobF 2017/02/02 14:29:28
 Meatloaf is better wrapped in becan.(I know, I know, what isn't better wrapped in becan?!)
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Re: Meat Loaf's Bat Out of Hell album - Why?
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SWMBO loves Meatloaf. Personally, I can only take small doses, BUT I do think most of it conveys emotion quite well.
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Re: Meat Loaf's Bat Out of Hell album - Why?
2017/02/02 14:47:12
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It's camp. If you don't get it, you'll never get it.
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Re: Meat Loaf's Bat Out of Hell album - Why?
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It's camp. If you don't get it, you'll never get it.
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Re: Meat Loaf's Bat Out of Hell album - Why?
2017/02/02 15:55:50
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It's camp. If you don't get it, you'll never get it.
That girl that everyone else ignored turned out to be a LOT of fun...
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Re: Meat Loaf's Bat Out of Hell album - Why?
2017/02/02 16:22:10
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OK, I'll confess I rather like Bat out of Hell - although I haven't listened to it in years. In general, I always thought the collaborations of Meatloaf and Jim Steinman produced some pretty intense successes. For that matter, Jim Steinman's efforts without Meatloaf were worthy of attention in all cases I ever encountered.
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Re: Meat Loaf's Bat Out of Hell album - Why?
2017/02/02 16:32:30
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I think it's one of those "you had to be there" kinda records. I remember when it came out, and I'd never heard anything like it. Great vocals and unique arrangements. Lyrically, it was unlike anything in rock at the time. Then came the videos. MTV was just getting big and this stuff was on all the time. I got snagged into going to a concert of his during the hoopla. Holy Cow could this guy perform. Great band and a very theatrical performance. Again, unlike anything else at the time.
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Re: Meat Loaf's Bat Out of Hell album - Why?
2017/02/02 16:39:12
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mumpcake
I noticed that of all the people I know who really love Bat Out of Hell, none of them seem to be particularly musically inclined.
I also noticed that for a lot of music I don't like, I can at least see the appeal. To me, this just sounds like a badly overacted high school musical.
Can anyone enlighten me on what I've been missing? Or is this album actually a litmus test?
seeing as to how this album sold millions and millions.... and todd rundgren's band did most of the backing tracks.... i'd say it's just not your cup of tea. different strokes.
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Re: Meat Loaf's Bat Out of Hell album - Why?
2017/02/02 16:42:45
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☄ Helpfulby Beagle 2017/02/07 08:09:19
Of all The Beatles* albums sold I wonder what percentage of the listeners were "musically inclined"?
* Or.... The Stones, Led Zeppelin, Motley Crue, Red Hot Chili Peppers, The Carpenters, Bobby Vee etc. etc. etc.
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Re: Meat Loaf's Bat Out of Hell album - Why?
2017/02/02 16:57:49
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OK, I'll confess I rather like Bat out of Hell - although I haven't listened to it in years. In general, I always thought the collaborations of Meatloaf and Jim Steinman produced some pretty intense successes. For that matter, Jim Steinman's efforts without Meatloaf were worthy of attention in all cases I ever encountered.
I think Steinman might be the problem for me. I remember hearing "Total Eclipse of the Heart" on the radio not too long ago and realizing I didn't like it because it reminded me of Meat Loaf. I also saw that he had collaborated with Andrew Lloyd Weber, and I share the same views as Neil Finn on the matter.
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Re: Meat Loaf's Bat Out of Hell album - Why?
2017/02/02 17:48:55
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Of all The Beatles* albums sold I wonder what percentage of the listeners were "musically inclined"?
* Or.... The Stones, Led Zeppelin, Motley Crue, Red Hot Chili Peppers, The Carpenters, Bobby Vee etc. etc. etc.
Well Two out of Three Ain't Bad..............
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Re: Meat Loaf's Bat Out of Hell album - Why?
2017/02/02 21:48:38
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Of all The Beatles* albums sold I wonder what percentage of the listeners were "musically inclined"?
* Or.... The Stones, Led Zeppelin, Motley Crue, Red Hot Chili Peppers, The Carpenters, Bobby Vee etc. etc. etc.
Well Two out of Three Ain't Bad..............
Three Out Of Four Ain't Half Bad ... either.
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Re: Meat Loaf's Bat Out of Hell album - Why?
2017/02/02 21:53:09
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mumpcake
I noticed that of all the people I know who really love Bat Out of Hell, none of them seem to be particularly musically inclined.
I also noticed that for a lot of music I don't like, I can at least see the appeal. To me, this just sounds like a badly overacted high school musical.
Can anyone enlighten me on what I've been missing? Or is this album actually a litmus test?
You and Dr. Frank N. Furter. He didn't like Meatloaf either.
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Re: Meat Loaf's Bat Out of Hell album - Why?
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They went absolutely mad for it in Australia when I was growing up. I wasn't much of a fan, but I watched a documentary on Meatloaf a few months back on where he and Steinman came from and how they got rejected by virtually every record company. By the end I was glad they were successful and sort of appreciated what they managed to do in a period much like now where music was disposable and formulaic.
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Re: Meat Loaf's Bat Out of Hell album - Why?
2017/02/03 01:06:49
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This thread influenced my lunch decision. Heh...
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Re: Meat Loaf's Bat Out of Hell album - Why?
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☄ Helpfulby jude77 2017/02/06 22:07:13
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This thread influenced my lunch decision. Heh...
I heard the fried bat is to die for ...
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Re: Meat Loaf's Bat Out of Hell album - Why?
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☄ Helpfulby BobF 2017/02/03 10:51:57
It is one of the best-selling albums of all time, having sold over 43 million copies worldwide. 43 million. Rolling Stone ranked it at number 343 on its list of the 500 greatest albums of all time in 2003. even rundgren laughed about it, thinking it was a rave-up of springsteen, who he didn't think very highly of either. but no one laughed at the income. CertificationsRegionCertification Certified units/Sales Australia ( ARIA)25× Platinum 1,750,000 ^Canada ( Music Canada)2× Diamond 2,000,000 ^Denmark ( IFPI Denmark)2× Platinum 40,000 ^Germany ( BVMI)Platinum 500,000 ^New Zealand ( RMNZ)17× Platinum 255,000 ^United Kingdom ( BPI)10× Platinum 3,282,300 United States ( RIAA)14× Platinum 14,000,000 ^Summaries Worldwide 43,000,000
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Re: Meat Loaf's Bat Out of Hell album - Why?
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Re: Meat Loaf's Bat Out of Hell album - Why?
2017/02/03 11:38:22
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I don't care about sales numbers. I don't take them as an indicator of value. For example, Alanis sold 20 Million copies and she can't sing or write songs. Another case in point is that Gary Puckett and the Union Gap supposedly sold more records in 1968 than the Beatles did.
More importantly, the numbers don't tell me what I was asking - which is why people like it, what makes it resonate. Whenever I ask people, I rarely get a more thought out answer than "Oh it's so good, how can you not like it".
I also have to add that having great musicians on a track does is not a sufficient condition for a great track.
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Re: Meat Loaf's Bat Out of Hell album - Why?
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If only they new about robot bats and gluten free meatloaf in the 70s it may have gone from camp to prog.
People keep calling it camp. Maybe I'm missing something, but isn't camp not supposed to take itself so seriously?
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Re: Meat Loaf's Bat Out of Hell album - Why?
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I don't have a strong opinion about the record. I do have some pretty intense memories about life in general when that record was big. The girls loved it and I loved the girls, paradise by my dashboard lights and all that. There were many parties where that record was played. Happy days.
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Re: Meat Loaf's Bat Out of Hell album - Why?
2017/02/03 11:56:31
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I can't stand musicals, prolly why I don't care for Meatloaf either, maybe. I never understood the fascination with them either. But after reading through this thread, I see why people like them. Makes sense when you put it all in context.
Oddly enough...I used to sit and watch that classic MTV video of "Paradise By the Dashboard Light" like a car wreck. I disliked it so much I would just sit there, fascinated, tearing it apart in my mind while I watched the whole thing..."this guy is ridiculous..look at all that sweat, gross...what in the world could she see in him..what in the world does he see in her...look at 'em..they're weird..gosh this music sucks" for the whole 8 minutes. ha ha.
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Re: Meat Loaf's Bat Out of Hell album - Why?
2017/02/03 12:03:50
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If only they new about robot bats and gluten free meatloaf in the 70s it may have gone from camp to prog.
People keep calling it camp. Maybe I'm missing something, but isn't camp not supposed to take itself so seriously?
Yes it's the avant garde of those who are rejected by society yet are at the same time intelligent. Camp. It's like a wink at people who take things too seriously. Wink, wink. Do you take drag shows seriously? I think some people do. Do you take mick jagger seriously when he struts around the stage? He doesn't! This is camp: the fact that all these rocking,rebel young men never smile on stage taking themselves seriously (except maybe george michael), and then by the time they do their reunion tours 40 years later, they're all smiling (as if to say, *now I get it*) Thus spinal tap.
post edited by eph221 - 2017/02/03 13:09:48
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Re: Meat Loaf's Bat Out of Hell album - Why?
2017/02/03 12:39:52
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mumpcake
I don't care about sales numbers. I don't take them as an indicator of value.
i find that a disingenuous stance.
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Re: Meat Loaf's Bat Out of Hell album - Why?
2017/02/03 13:04:10
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It's guitar-based "musical theatre." Can't stand it myself, Meatloaf annoys me in the same way as Gilbert & Sullivan.
Having said that, I had to learn Paradise By The Dashboard Light last year. That damned song (at least the bassline) doesn't repeat itself once! Some like him, some don't, but I think he's a talented songwriter.
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Re: Meat Loaf's Bat Out of Hell album - Why?
2017/02/03 14:10:21
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Forget sales numbers, I have my own criteria.
The list of albums everybody liked except me is quite long, and includes Bat Out of Hell. However, back in the day my band covered almost the entire album. The material was fun to play, audiences ate it up, and "Two Out of Three" got me laid more than once. As did "Mandy" and "Bridge over Troubled Water".
We also covered "Nutrocker" by Bee Bumble and the Stingers, which impressed other musicians but never once got me anywhere with a barmaid.
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Re: Meat Loaf's Bat Out of Hell album - Why?
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It is also worth mentioning (as someone that was growing up at the time) that musicals then were very much of the "South Pacific" and "Carousel" type. Schwartz with Godspell and Webber and Rice with Jesus Christ Superstar (sorry to anyone I missed) broke that mould and soon after came Richard O'Brian's Rocky Horror Picture show.
It was sort of the punk rock era of musicals which I suspect gave birth to Steinman's ambitions (and Meatloaf's career). Let's face it Webber's later contributions to musical theatre reverted back to type.
I guess you had to be there. I have fond memories of a braless music teacher with unshaven armpits sitting on the edge of my bed whilst we talked about the Rocky Horror Picture show. Richard I owe you one!
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