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Melodye Editor Use Case Scenarios?
I've been looking at taking advantage of the upgrade offer to Melodyne Editor, but before I do, I'd like to find out if it's really going to be useful to me. So, I'd like to find out what other people are using it for, not just generic, theoretical possibilities, but like "Here's how I solved this specific problem the other day" kind of things. For instance, I found two use-case scenarios so far in another thread: 1) John T said: "I did the upgrade, fixed a flubbed chord on a recording, and got on with what I was doing within a couple of minutes. It was only about an hour later it struck me how rarely things are that easy." 2) Teds_Studio said: "Being able to edit a single note in a guitar chord is amazing (which I was able to do for a client). He was absolutely impressed that I could change a major chord to a minor chord within a minute and save him from having to re-record the part." But those are all I've found. In both of these cases, since I'm rarely-if-ever recording other musicians at this point, it's easier/faster for me to re-record a part than fiddle with Melodyne to fix a problem such as this. Even if it worked out faster to do with Melodyne, my time isn't worth so much money right now that I can justify the cost. Any insights, scenarios or opinions are welcome.
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Re: Melodye Editor Use Case Scenarios?
2014/01/09 09:18:43
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☄ Helpfulby rontarrant 2014/01/09 12:21:55
As you already stated guitar chords are awesome. Yesterday I went through a guitar piece where the guitarist was consistantly finger picking the wrong note so I slid it each one up job done. Just for that it was worth the money. In your case well maybe sticking with the existing version may be a good idea as I see your point of view. It's a much better idea to fix stuff before it gets anywhere near melodyne.
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Re: Melodye Editor Use Case Scenarios?
2014/01/09 10:32:27
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☄ Helpfulby rontarrant 2014/01/09 12:22:09
You can get pretty creative with it when you want to, but personally I use it 99 percent for pitch and timing correction on vocals. It's brilliant on that, and "ok" with some other applications. I would say if you DON'T need it for vocals at all, save yourself the money.
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Re: Melodye Editor Use Case Scenarios?
2014/01/09 11:22:44
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☄ Helpfulby rontarrant 2014/01/09 12:22:36
melodyne essential also lacks several useful tools compared to assistant or editor. comparison chart: http://www.celemony.com/cms/index.php?id=383 The polyphonic mode is pretty awesome. Depending on the source it can be a bit tricky to get transparent results on pitch-shifting one note in a chord (for example), sometimes it requires editing the note detection manually, but when it works it can be surprisingly effective. It goes beyond just pitch correction. For example, you can use the Amplitude tool to change the volume of one note in a chord. This can totally change the feel and bring out or subdue inner-chord voices, and is much simpler to pull off than changing pitch. It also works pretty well merely as a tool for analysis. I think that the monophonic assistant version should be adequate for 90 percent of the cases I read about people using Melodyne - for that last 10 percent, there is basically no other tool available that can do it, so if you need to mess around with the guts of polyphonic material, Melodyne editor is it.
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Re: Melodye Editor Use Case Scenarios?
2014/01/09 12:17:06
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Thanks, CakeAlexS, Sanderexpander and Brian Brock for the replies and the info. @Brian: Could you please expand a bit on what you mean by 'analysis?'
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Re: Melodye Editor Use Case Scenarios?
2014/01/09 18:25:34
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rontarrant I've been looking at taking advantage of the upgrade offer to Melodyne Editor, but before I do, I'd like to find out if it's really going to be useful to me. So, I'd like to find out what other people are using it for, not just generic, theoretical possibilities, but like "Here's how I solved this specific problem the other day" kind of things. For instance, I found two use-case scenarios so far in another thread: 1) John T said: "I did the upgrade, fixed a flubbed chord on a recording, and got on with what I was doing within a couple of minutes. It was only about an hour later it struck me how rarely things are that easy." 2) Teds_Studio said: "Being able to edit a single note in a guitar chord is amazing (which I was able to do for a client). He was absolutely impressed that I could change a major chord to a minor chord within a minute and save him from having to re-record the part." But those are all I've found. In both of these cases, since I'm rarely-if-ever recording other musicians at this point, it's easier/faster for me to re-record a part than fiddle with Melodyne to fix a problem such as this. Even if it worked out faster to do with Melodyne, my time isn't worth so much money right now that I can justify the cost. Any insights, scenarios or opinions are welcome.
I was wondering if Melodyne Editor could be used to manipulate discrete instrument audio loops, such as electric piano, organ, or clavs, so you change a minor loop to a major loop, or change the scale being used. If it works, it would breath some life into instrument loops, such that a loop might fit into more song situations, and be almost as modifiable as a MIDI loop.
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Re: Melodye Editor Use Case Scenarios?
2014/01/09 18:55:34
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Rather than ask us (since our uses may not cater to your needs at all), I would recommend downloading the trial ( http://www.celemony.com/cms/index.php?id=demos) and running the freaking rims off it for what YOU want  It is fully functional for 30 days... so rip the tires off it!
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Re: Melodye Editor Use Case Scenarios?
2014/01/09 19:12:44
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mettelus Rather than ask us (since our uses may not cater to your needs at all), I would recommend downloading the trial (http://www.celemony.com/cms/index.php?id=demos) and running the freaking rims off it for what YOU want  It is fully functional for 30 days... so rip the tires off it!
I did think of that, but I'm concerned about not being able to go back to Essential after the 30 days. Since all versions are installed from the same installer, I don't want to end up having to do some drastic uninstall/reinstall procedure to get back to the version I have now. I've gone through that type of thing with other software and I'd rather not go through it again if I can avoid it, IYKWIM.
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Re: Melodye Editor Use Case Scenarios?
2014/01/09 20:26:15
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Check with Celomony but Editor and Essentials use exactly the same software, the only difference is the serial number unlocks the features. I would not be surprised if the demo operates that way as well and you can go back or forth without worrying about further installation. Just a guess. p.s. I wish Cake did this, I bet Cake wish they did this as well.
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Re: Melodye Editor Use Case Scenarios?
2014/01/09 22:29:13
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The first time I tried Melodyne Editor a couple of years ago was when a friend sent me a complete mix with an out of tune trumpet at the end of the song. I was able to fix it and go on adding more parts to the mix. Essential, being monophonic wouldn't have done the job. I am also on the fence whether to upgrade. Some good responses so far.
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Re: Melodye Editor Use Case Scenarios?
2014/01/09 22:49:23
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pbognar
rontarrant I've been looking at taking advantage of the upgrade offer to Melodyne Editor, but before I do, I'd like to find out if it's really going to be useful to me. So, I'd like to find out what other people are using it for, not just generic, theoretical possibilities, but like "Here's how I solved this specific problem the other day" kind of things. For instance, I found two use-case scenarios so far in another thread: 1) John T said: "I did the upgrade, fixed a flubbed chord on a recording, and got on with what I was doing within a couple of minutes. It was only about an hour later it struck me how rarely things are that easy." 2) Teds_Studio said: "Being able to edit a single note in a guitar chord is amazing (which I was able to do for a client). He was absolutely impressed that I could change a major chord to a minor chord within a minute and save him from having to re-record the part." But those are all I've found. In both of these cases, since I'm rarely-if-ever recording other musicians at this point, it's easier/faster for me to re-record a part than fiddle with Melodyne to fix a problem such as this. Even if it worked out faster to do with Melodyne, my time isn't worth so much money right now that I can justify the cost. Any insights, scenarios or opinions are welcome.
I was wondering if Melodyne Editor could be used to manipulate discrete instrument audio loops, such as electric piano, organ, or clavs, so you change a minor loop to a major loop, or change the scale being used. If it works, it would breath some life into instrument loops, such that a loop might fit into more song situations, and be almost as modifiable as a MIDI loop.
You should have no problem with that. I used it on a song today: the singer played a percussion part on stainless steel bowls ( the cooking and mixing king ) I tuned the hits to the key of the song, used a gate ( sonitus ) with a side chain from a tambourine track to keep it groovin' ( fast attack, short release ). It came out sounding pretty awesome! Rocky
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Re: Melodye Editor Use Case Scenarios?
2014/01/10 14:11:45
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This may not be exclusive to Editor, but I have used Melodyne to create 3,4, and 5 part harmony from a single vocal take. I've even done an a cappella tune this way. It is awesome for adjusting pitch, timing and fomants for a real chorus sound.
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Re: Melodye Editor Use Case Scenarios?
2014/01/11 08:25:00
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I tried the trial edition of Editor on my open reel tapes from the '70s and '80s of the house band recorded at the Drift On Inn in North Seattle to try to bring the soloists' vocals and guitar up to pitch. It worked well as I could not use a global pitch correction. I am going to buy the $149 upgrade for this alone. I figure that any project I use it on now is a bonus.
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Re: Melodye Editor Use Case Scenarios?
2014/01/11 09:51:37
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I use it almost as a remix tool, opening samples from tracks, rearranging notes and altering melodies. I see it almost as a PRV on steroids, Moving audio around and changing the pitch as if it where the midi data in PRV. I have built complete parts from a single 1 bar sample in this way.
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Re: Melodye Editor Use Case Scenarios?
2014/01/11 10:49:49
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mondaydave I use it almost as a remix tool, opening samples from tracks, rearranging notes and altering melodies. I see it almost as a PRV on steroids, Moving audio around and changing the pitch as if it where the midi data in PRV. I have built complete parts from a single 1 bar sample in this way.
Great use of Editor. I should have mentioned that turning audio into MIDI is one of the best process that I use.
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Re: Melodye Editor Use Case Scenarios?
2014/01/11 15:04:46
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one thing to note is that a lot of the advanced uses for Melodyne make it so that it isn't practical to bounce things. In some ways Meldodyne can be more like a synth than just a pitch-correction set-it-and-forget-it plugin. This makes it so that a lot of the bugs and quirks with it become real problems - for simple uses the workaround of bouncing and moving on seems good, but for a lot of more creative purposes it isn't possible to bounce because Melodyne is acting as an instrument in the composition/arrangement process...
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Re: Melodye Editor Use Case Scenarios?
2014/01/11 17:14:52
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I practically never bounce it. Haven't had to copy/paste edited clips yet since I installed X3d. Really hoping it will somehow be fine on my system...
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Re: Melodye Editor Use Case Scenarios?
2014/01/11 19:04:06
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I really appreciate all the information, guys. It's convinced me that most situations where Melodyne is used is for one-note-at-a-time stuff (monophonic?) and so Essential or one of the other tools I already have will do the job. For polyphonic stuff, it's far easier and faster to just talk myself into doing another take. With the other tools I already have available (AudioSnap, V-Vocal, Melodyne Essential and Pitch Shifter) I think I can cover just about any situation that will arise for me in the foreseeable future. What's really weird is that my wife told me I could spend the money on the upgrade and I'm ending up turning it down. But then, I'm likely going to need nearfield monitors in the near future. I'm using a pair I borrowed right now and I'll soon have to return them, so the money will go toward that.
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Re: Melodye Editor Use Case Scenarios?
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FCCfirstclass I tried the trial edition of Editor on my open reel tapes from the '70s and '80s of the house band recorded at the Drift On Inn in North Seattle to try to bring the soloists' vocals and guitar up to pitch. It worked well as I could not use a global pitch correction. I am going to buy the $149 upgrade for this alone. I figure that any project I use it on now is a bonus.
Now this is one situation where it might actually be useful. I have recordings of a band I sang with in 1976 and there are a few things that could be fixed. I also have recordings of another band from 1982-83 that could use a bit of polish. On the other hand, there's no real value to doing that with these particular tapes, so it would only be for vanity's sake. I have to ask myself if it's worth it, even as a mixing exercise.
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Re: Melodye Editor Use Case Scenarios?
2014/01/11 20:33:48
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Sanderxpander I practically never bounce it. Haven't had to copy/paste edited clips yet since I installed X3d. Really hoping it will somehow be fine on my system...
brian brock one thing to note is that a lot of the advanced uses for Melodyne make it so that it isn't practical to bounce things. In some ways Meldodyne can be more like a synth than just a pitch-correction set-it-and-forget-it plugin. This makes it so that a lot of the bugs and quirks with it become real problems - for simple uses the workaround of bouncing and moving on seems good, but for a lot of more creative purposes it isn't possible to bounce because Melodyne is acting as an instrument in the composition/arrangement process...
When I'm done I clone the track first and then bounce the copy. Then I archive off the original track. In fact I make a clone before I do the Melodyne edits as well.
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Re: Melodye Editor Use Case Scenarios?
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Thanks to Ron and Alex and all the posters for all the ideas for using Melodyne. As with other instruments, the processes are in place and just need to be figured out on how to use them. Vanity or not, the preservation of audio artifacts should be a goal of each one of us.
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Re: Melodye Editor Use Case Scenarios?
2014/01/12 11:00:34
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CakeAlexS When I'm done I clone the track first and then bounce the copy. Then I archive off the original track. In fact I make a clone before I do the Melodyne edits as well.
Isn't cloning a track with Melodyne as Region Effect broken? I thought I had tested it in x3d...
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Re: Melodye Editor Use Case Scenarios?
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☄ Helpfulby rontarrant 2014/01/12 17:04:13
I've had Editor for years now, and it is, without a doubt, an essential tool that I use on every project. As far as people saying "it's quicker to record that part again"... well that depends. If you know your way around ME and know how to use it's tools effectively, it's faster to fix in in ME than to set up to record a part again. If, however, the glitch is a big one and the note needs to be moved more than a whole step or perhaps more.... recording again is the best option. I have used it to: stretch a note played by a sax. it was a quarter, needed it as a whole.... worked fine, sounded good. change chords as mentioned from original to something else.... mostly moving notes half steps. moved audio in time... notes that we slightly off the beat, slide them to the beat.... flawless. deleted notes from piano and guitar chords to make the chord sparse. fix bad notes in bass or other instrument tracks. (sometimes I just do copy/paste) Increase the volume or decrease as needed of a note or phrase. smooth out vibrato in a singers voice.... lessen or increase it as needed. mostly lessen fix other vocal glitches... not sure what they are called, but not vibrato or pitch issues.... totally fixable with care. fix vocal tracks that are slightly off pitch... totally transparent. (this is my main use of ME) create a harmony vocal track from the original melody vocal track (note: this one had artifacts as the original notes had to be moved a fair distance. By keeping the harmony volume low, the artifacts are not as blatantly obvious. see "Come & Go" on my music site.) hope this helps. It is indispensable to my work in the studio. BTW: every bit of that is done manually. I do not use the automatic correction mode at all ..... I stopped doing it with automatic a good 2 years ago. Much better control over the process when you go measure by measure, and track by track that needs ME's help. It takes a bit longer but the time and effort are well worth it.
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Re: Melodye Editor Use Case Scenarios?
2014/01/12 11:55:43
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brian brock Isn't cloning a track with Melodyne as Region Effect broken? I thought I had tested it in x3d...
From what I saw copying clips from track to track is broken not cloning tracks. Cheers...
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Re: Melodye Editor Use Case Scenarios?
2014/01/12 15:02:11
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yeah looks like they fixed the Melodyne cloning issue, I missed that. Good news. Fix for copying Melodyne clips should be relatively similar, I guess, although the timing information will have to be recomputed since the copy may not even be at the same tempo, or lined up with the same beats...
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Re: Melodye Editor Use Case Scenarios?
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GuitarhackerAs far as people saying "it's quicker to record that part again"... well that depends. If you know your way around ME and know how to use it's tools effectively, it's faster to fix in in ME than to set up to record a part again. If, however, the glitch is a big one and the note needs to be moved more than a whole step or perhaps more.... recording again is the best option. Yeah, good point. I suppose in a couple of years I may change my tune... er, ah... so to speak. Guitarhackerhope this helps. It is indispensable to my work in the studio. Yup, helps a lot. A nice comprehensive list was just what I was looking for. I can see myself using Essential for a couple of those, but the rest? Nope. GuitarhackerBTW: every bit of that is done manually. I do not use the automatic correction mode at all ..... I stopped doing it with automatic a good 2 years ago. Much better control over the process when you go measure by measure, and track by track that needs ME's help. It takes a bit longer but the time and effort are well worth it. So far, what I've done is use the automatic controls and then fix the glitches it causes. Did you go through a stage where you did that, or just go straight to manual fixes all the way through? I'm just wondering if I'm saving myself some work or causing myself more work by doing it that way. Any insight you could provide would be very much appreciated.
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Re: Melodye Editor Use Case Scenarios?
2014/01/12 17:08:01
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CakeAlexS From what I saw copying clips from track to track is broken not cloning tracks. Cheers...
I've had that problem, too, which is why I started bouncing any tracks I've massaged with pitch/time correction tools, regardless of which tool I use. And, of course, copying/cloning/whatever is no problem after that.
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Vastman
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Re: Melodye Editor Use Case Scenarios?
2014/01/13 05:57:34
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wow! timely list... I've got till the 20th to upgrade....arrrrg! Mortgage due... Sprint due.... arrrrg! so why did I open this thread?
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Re: Melodye Editor Use Case Scenarios?
2014/01/13 06:04:32
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Vastmanso why did I open this thread? Because, Dana, plugins are to musicians what apples were to Eve. All they need is a snake (thread) to make the connection.
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Re: Melodye Editor Use Case Scenarios?
2014/01/13 07:07:42
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Guitarhacker I've had Editor for years now, and it is, without a doubt, an essential tool that I use on every project. As far as people saying "it's quicker to record that part again"... well that depends. If you know your way around ME and know how to use it's tools effectively, it's faster to fix in in ME than to set up to record a part again. If, however, the glitch is a big one and the note needs to be moved more than a whole step or perhaps more.... recording again is the best option. I have used it to: stretch a note played by a sax. it was a quarter, needed it as a whole.... worked fine, sounded good. change chords as mentioned from original to something else.... mostly moving notes half steps. moved audio in time... notes that we slightly off the beat, slide them to the beat.... flawless. deleted notes from piano and guitar chords to make the chord sparse. fix bad notes in bass or other instrument tracks. (sometimes I just do copy/paste) Increase the volume or decrease as needed of a note or phrase. smooth out vibrato in a singers voice.... lessen or increase it as needed. mostly lessen fix other vocal glitches... not sure what they are called, but not vibrato or pitch issues.... totally fixable with care. fix vocal tracks that are slightly off pitch... totally transparent. (this is my main use of ME) create a harmony vocal track from the original melody vocal track (note: this one had artifacts as the original notes had to be moved a fair distance. By keeping the harmony volume low, the artifacts are not as blatantly obvious. see "Come & Go" on my music site.) hope this helps. It is indispensable to my work in the studio. BTW: every bit of that is done manually. I do not use the automatic correction mode at all ..... I stopped doing it with automatic a good 2 years ago. Much better control over the process when you go measure by measure, and track by track that needs ME's help. It takes a bit longer but the time and effort are well worth it.
Thank you. It is a very impressive list. BTW Vastman, I received an email last week from Melodyne with an offer to upgrade to Editor for half price, $149, and the offer is good until Jan 31st. I was foaming at the mouth last November when I missed the initial upgrade offer (my wife's car ate a chunk of money) and was hoping they would repeat the offer next Christmas. Well, it seems it is 11 months early. Yea! I will upgrade this week.
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