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Melodyne 4 Studio Sync Issues in Platinum Manchester
Hi, I just updated to the latest version of Platinum (Manchester) but that didn't fix Melodyne 4 Studio's sync problem with the scroll bar. My issue is that the scroll bar is about 1 second ahead of the blobs (and sound) when using Mel 4 Studio as either an ARA FX or as a plug-in (where you can do simultaneous multi-track editing, great if it works in sync). Oddly, in the Stand-Alone version, Mel 4 Studio displays perfect synchronization. I also have the older Melodyne Editor 2 which worked perfectly in sync before I downloaded the trial for Studio. I've also tried this on my laptop and the same issues exist so I think it's a Celemony problem. I've had several responses to this problem from Celemony and a call in to Sonar support and they want me to use ASIO drivers, which I do use with my Roland Octa-Capture on my desktop, and I've uninstalled/reinstalled a few times with no improvement in the syncing performance. Is anyone else having similar issues? Does anyone know how to fix it? Thanx, Frederick
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Re: Melodyne 4 Studio Sync Issues in Platinum Manchester
2016/01/27 21:20:15
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I just recently had an email exchange with support at Celemony. I mentioned the timing problem and he told me that someone was working on it. I'm going to hold off installing Studio 4 till this get straightened out. Good luck. Paul
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Re: Melodyne 4 Studio Sync Issues in Platinum Manchester
2016/01/27 21:38:31
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As requested by Celemony Support, I sent them a screen capture video showing the sync problem and learned that a new version of Studio was released today. They haven't responded yet but I installed the new version and still have the sync problem. Also, the multitrack doesn't work in ARA, Celemony supoport told me you have to do it as plugins on each track and then "Transfer" the audio like in the old days of Melodyne. Hopefully they get this all worked out as it is a great idea but it reminds me of the pre-Cakewalk/Celemony partnership when Melodyne seemed to work great about half of the time, and not so much the other half. So close, so close....
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Re: Melodyne 4 Studio Sync Issues in Platinum Manchester
2016/01/28 03:35:42
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Sorry to hear you are having problems with Melodyne. I am using Melodyne Studio 4 in Manchester Platinum, but I am not having any sync problems. Unless others are having the same trouble It could be worth digging a little deeper into trouble-shooting your system rather than waiting for Celemony. Has anyone else confirmed the issue? The multi track editing is working as intended. There is a discussion of its limitations here: http://forum.cakewalk.com/Manchester-not-working-as-advertized-with-Melodyne-Studio-4-m3359138.aspx
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Re: Melodyne 4 Studio Sync Issues in Platinum Manchester
2016/01/28 07:37:54
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Bruce, Thanx for responding. It's good to hear it can work. My system is pretty new. I built it from scratch about a year ago and I just upgraded to a new 1 TB SSD at the beginning of the year and did a fresh install of Windows 10. I have a fast processor (i7) and 16 GB ram, use a Roland Octa-Capture with the newest Windows 10 driver, etc. I even deleted my Cubase light that I had bought to run Waves Tune as it didn't loop in Sonar (no ReWire support) and I liked it's ability to create vibrato from scratch which Melodyne doesn't seem to be able to do. Cubase was deleted because it comes with its' own ASIO driver "generic low latency driver" that was always getting used by Sonar, so I simply deleted it from Program Files (though it can't be found/uninstalled via the normal control panel, Programs section). I suspect that driver may be the culprit and I've read you have to go deep into the registry and find it to delete it, which i haven't attempted yet. I may just do another complete re-installation of Windows 10 and install Sonar and Melodyne Studio 4 as the first program and see if it sync's correctly. I also have lots of other audio/video programs that may be causing the problem, who knows? My Sony VAIO laptop also has an i7 processer and Cubase on it with their driver and I'm seeing the sync problem there as well. So I've spent hours trying to figure this out and these issues should have been resolved by Celemony before they released this version. So close, so close...
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Re: Melodyne 4 Studio Sync Issues in Platinum Manchester
2016/01/28 09:03:30
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i remember the timing problem & the workaround i was told about it: before opening up something in Melodyne, turn off all FX in the project; that seems to "fix" the timing issue
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Re: Melodyne 4 Studio Sync Issues in Platinum Manchester
2016/01/28 09:33:31
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wetdentist i remember the timing problem & the workaround i was told about it: before opening up something in Melodyne, turn off all FX in the project; that seems to "fix" the timing issue
Have I missed some posts about this problem in Melodyne 4 and Sonar Platinum? I am using projects with many FX and there is no timing issue. Could be a particular plugin causing it of course. Have you tried a clean project with just an instance of melodyne on a single track Frederick?
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Re: Melodyne 4 Studio Sync Issues in Platinum Manchester
2016/01/28 11:02:45
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Yes, I tried a simple project where I just sung the numbers from one to six, on 1 track with no other FX and the timing was still off. I made a little video of it and sent it to Celemony via DropBox but they haven't responded that they've seen it. In the meantime, I just loaded Melodyne Studio 4 "trial" onto my backup DJ laptop (win10, i5) and have a "Demo" version of an earlier version of Platinum on it and was surprised that the timing was just fine. For the test, I dragged Queen's Bohemian Rhapsody (MP3) onto a track, loaded Studio 4 as a plug-in, transferred the first a-capella 40 seconds of the song, and wow! Studio automatically chose the polyphonic setting, then broke it into the single vocal parts and it played in sync. I was even able to delete some notes to hear just the root melody that seems to be in the key of "G". On this computer, I never installed Cubase and maybe that further points to the Cubase ASIO "generic low latecny driver" as the culprit. It was really nice to be able to break apart the individual vocal parts of Queen's legendary song. Who would-a thunk even a few years ago that this ability would be possible? Amazing. If I reinstall windows and all of my programs on my desktop, that's about a 2 to 3 day task. ugh... but if that is what will make it work, I'll do it because the reward is worth it...
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Re: Melodyne 4 Studio Sync Issues in Platinum Manchester
2016/01/28 11:14:10
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user390096 . Who would-a thunk even a few years ago that this ability would be possible? Amazing. If I reinstall windows and all of my programs on my desktop, that's about a 2 to 3 day task. ugh... but if that is what will make it work, I'll do it because the reward is worth it...
It is pretty awesome isn't it! A full rebuild is a pain - I did my systems a month ago. The rogue asio driver certainly seems to be the consistent factor on the problematic systems. Is sonar actually using the steinberg driver or are you concerned it has somehow messed with sonar and is still causing the delay even though it is inactive? Could you possibly try another type of driver (anything but asio) with Sonar just as a test?
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user390096
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Re: Melodyne 4 Studio Sync Issues in Platinum Manchester
2016/01/28 11:55:18
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I did go through all of the drivers and a lot of them actually worked OK but no better than the ASIO. I went on the Cubase forums and folks there say the "generic" driver is hidden deep in the registry, so the best I could do safely was simply delete it's folder I found in the Programs file. But, that simple deletion has kept it from occurring in my Sonar list of drivers/devices in the Preferences section - so it is visibly gone but I think it still lives on in my registry as reported on the Cubase forums. I suppose I should go to those forums and ask where exactly it is in the registry and attempt to delete it that way before I do a full reinstall. At any rate, I'm happy to see it work for once, and Bravo to Celemony for inventing this program as it's quite a giant advancement in editing ability. As a singer who likes to double track my vocals and do lots of multi-track background singing, it is a must-have to easily and accurately tighten things up.
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Re: Melodyne 4 Studio Sync Issues in Platinum Manchester
2016/01/28 13:29:34
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Making some progress here. As wetdentist suggested, I turned off all FX with the FX button in the tool bar above the tracks screen and now the sync problem is gone and it plays perfectly in-sync. And I can even change notes as I tried grabbing a few and moving them around. So I guess Melodyne isn't really an FX itself even though I think most would say it is "FX"-like, or creates an effect that affects us! It's very easy to simply hit the FX "global" button which seems to turn off all normal FX I use like, Izotope 2, Waves Vocal Rider, etc., make your edits in perfect sync and then save them via bouncing to tracks. Thanx wetdentist, it's getting better all the time, BUT, I just tried it on a multi-track recording I made a few days ago when I first noticed the sync problem. When I turn off all the FX in this more complex song, the scroll bar won't scroll at all yet I hear things playing smoothly but there is no movement of the blob screen - it's just stuck. Frustrating....
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Re: Melodyne 4 Studio Sync Issues in Platinum Manchester
2016/01/28 15:47:19
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OK, another hour of testing and the culprit seems to be how and when FX are implemented and maybe a dash of the Steinberg driver. In my last hour of testing, I loaded the song that I had originally noticed the sync problem with, but this time I held down the 'shift' key before I clicked on the song title, which brought up a screen that asked me which FX I wanted to enable. I chose 'none', loaded it up and then applied Melodyne Studio 4 to the 2 vocal tracks, did the transfer thing, and they actually worked in perfect sync - shocking! After this unexpected success, I added Izotope 2 and, oops, the scrolling stopped dead, so I closed without saving and opened it again, but this time I did allow only the Melodyne FX to load. This time everything worked, Melodyne was in perfect sync and Izotope (which I added later) worked fine as well. However, I hit the "FX" button and immediately all scrolling stopped again within the Melodyne screen. Obviously there's definitely a bug or 2 in there and I hope they fix it soon. Oh yeah, I also did a little 10 second song where I sang from 1 to ten at the measure/marker points, one track in english and 1 track in german (high school german finally put to use). I panned one hard left and one hard right and "everything" was working great until I tried to add a drum loop and noticed the preview was silent for all the loops - why, who knows it used to work before this latest build, good grief.....and I started this little song with just a totally blank template that imported no known FX. Time for a break... Hopefully they get it all worked and it would be real nice if one could assign different colors to different tracks to more easily differentiate between blobs. Right now, all the blobs are orange which gets very confusing.
post edited by user390096 - 2016/01/30 10:57:17
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Re: Melodyne 4 Studio Sync Issues in Platinum Manchester
2016/02/09 10:11:44
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Well, it seems having Izotope 2 in my template is a problem but by deleting it on all tracks and adding it back after recording and applying M4S, everything works as expected. So the problem is kinda solved though I don't think I should have to delete things, but it does work in sync now so I'm happy. I also e-mailed Celemony and asked them if they could make it possible to assign different colors to the tracks/blobs in order to more easily differentiate between tracks/blobs. They said they were already aware of the concern and are "debating" its implementation. Hopefully, they make the change as it is currently nearly impossible to figure out which orange blob belongs to which track. Anyway, I went ahead and bought the upgrade to M4S as it is really amazing but could use a few tweaks.
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Re: Melodyne 4 Studio Sync Issues in Platinum Manchester
2016/02/09 11:48:24
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Thanks for the update, Frederick.
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user390096
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Re: Melodyne 4 Studio Sync Issues in Platinum Manchester
2016/02/11 23:56:53
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OK, I think it's actually not Nectar 2 that is causing the sync issues, instead its the Nectar "Breath Control" plugin that is the culprit. I just looked at the Izotope website and they talk about how this plug-in "looks ahead" which can cause latency issues. I had the Breath Control as my first FX followed by Nectar 2. I modified my template a little by turning off each instance of "Breath Control" in my first 3 trax that are dedicated to vocals. When the breath control is off, the blobs are in perfect sync, and when you turn even one instance "on" (even if a track has no vocals yet) it seems to create the sync issue. Gee, this only took me 3 weeks to nail down, lol! But now it makes sense since that plug-in is one that "looks ahead". Now I guess I can record, apply Melodyne tweaks, bounce, and then turn the breath control on if I wish (or just get rid of them in Melodyne). Hmmm, I sent 2 videos of my desktop to Celemony clearly showing I had the breath control plug-in active and no one from Celemony mentioned that it could be a likely culprit. Maybe they don't own a copy to test. Anyway, how do I make this issue SOLVED? I hope....
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