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2018/10/01 13:11:37 (permalink)

Melodyne 4.2.0.020 Update

I just got prompted to download this while I was using Melodyne Editor in a session.
It's also available from your accounts.
 
Can't find what's new. Anyone know if this is the ARA2 update?

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Re: Melodyne 4.2.0.020 Update 2018/10/01 13:45:10 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby ZincTrumpet 2018/10/01 17:53:39
The only reference I could find to 4.2 from Ceremony only mentions compatibility with Logic Pro X. I cannot find the release notes specifically.

ARA2 is still a mystery as to how Ceremony will release it. I always assumed it would be in a major release, but no clue. It may manifest more on the DAW side with hooks into data (rather than standalone ARA2, per se), since Studio One launched a chunk of those features in version 4.

It is odd that we are 9 months after the ARA2 announcement without a clear understanding of everything.

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Re: Melodyne 4.2.0.020 Update 2018/10/01 14:50:20 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby mettelus 2018/10/01 17:03:45
From the web page Melodyne Studio bounced me to:
 
New in Melodyne 4.2

New functions and improvements
 
ARA in Logic: Melodyne 4.2 supports ARA integration into Apple’s new Logic Pro X 10.4.2. With ARA, transfers are no longer necessary in Logic, and Melodyne follows all changes made to the audio track.
 
The transfer path in Cakewalk/Sonar: When using the Melodyne VST3 plug-in in Cakewalk/Sonar, the transfer path is now created automatically within the current project (Cakewalk Projects / <project folder> / Melodyne / Transfers).
 
Improved interaction: Melodyne 4.2 interacts even better with Studio One and now requires Studio One Version 3.5.6 or later.
 
Additional keyboard shortcut: You can now assign a keyboard shortcut from the Preferences dialog for the command “Reseparate Notes at Starting-Point Lines” that appears in the context menu in Note Assignment Mode; the shortcut is then also available in edit mode.
 
Bug fixes
 
Fixed: In Studio One, in projects with many Melodyne clips, the generation of additional Melodyne instances (using the command “Open in Melodyne”) sometimes slowed down the program.
Fixed: In Studio One under Windows, the color of the note background used to change when you altered the zoom level.
Fixed: In Studio One, the function “Unison Spread” sometimes shifted the notes in Melodyne several octaves.
Fixed: In Studio One, use of the Note Separation Tool under certain circumstances led to a crash.
Fixed: In Studio One, the note display (the lines superimposed on the waveform) was previously not updated when notes were deleted in Melodyne.
Fixed: In Studio One, in the case of copied events, “Follow Clip Selection in the DAW” resulted in the wrong bars being shown.
Fixed: In Cakewalk/Sonar, the export of a 16-bit audio file edited with Melodyne sometimes led to a crash.
Fixed: In Cakewalk/Sonar, use of the Freeze function sometimes led to a crash.
Fixed: In all DAWs with ARA, changes to the key or scale were previously not saved.
Fixed: In all DAWs with ARA, use of the Compare switch stopped local playback in Melodyne.
Fixed: In Logic 10.3, the opening of some projects with Melodyne could lead to a crash.
Fixed: In Digital Performer, the opening of projects previously edited with Melodyne sometimes led to a crash.
Fixed: In the plug-in, the command “Restore File to Original State” could under certain circumstances result in the wrong notes being deleted.
Fixed: Canceling a transfer could lead to a display error or even (if you proceeded with editing ) to the DAW crashing.
Fixed: In the plug-in, the assignable keyboard shortcut “Repeat Last Menu Action” did not work.
Fixed: If the Scale Window was open when you switched from edit mode to Note Assignment Mode, the wrong area of the timeline used to be displayed.
Fixed: In the Sound Editor, no peak values were displayed for the spectrum when Note Assignment Mode was active.
Fixed: In Melodyne studio’s track list, the “Edit” and “Reference” buttons could both be activated by Alt-clicking.
Fixed: In Melodyne studio, when multiple tracks were copied simultaneously, their contents were sometimes swapped.
Fixed: In Melodyne essential, the assignable keyboard shortcut for “Separate Notes as Trills” was missing.
Fixed: In Melodyne essential, opening a document saved by Melodyne studio sometimes resulted in the wrong track being displayed.
Fixed: In the stand-alone application, it was impossible to copy and paste notes in Tempo Assignment Mode.
Fixed: In the stand-alone application, a new detection sometimes led to the audio being offset in the timeline.
Fixed: In the stand-alone application under macOS Version 10.12, crashes sometimes occurred when the import audio function was used.

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Re: Melodyne 4.2.0.020 Update 2018/10/01 14:58:33 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby ZincTrumpet 2018/10/01 17:54:08
Hope everyone keeps their old installers.
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Re: Melodyne 4.2.0.020 Update 2018/10/01 14:59:47 (permalink)
Yippee, at last, the "freeze crash" problem fixed - I hope so anyway, as with me it happened EVERY-TIME!!!
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Re: Melodyne 4.2.0.020 Update 2018/10/01 15:37:54 (permalink)
Downloaded, installed, put on track, adjusted some bits, froze.....then saved and it DID NOT CRASH - result - that's the first time in years the freeze /  save function has worked for me - I might use it a bit more now...perhaps - I've got so used to it not working I hardly ever use it!!
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Re: Melodyne 4.2.0.020 Update 2018/10/01 16:09:02 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby ZincTrumpet 2018/10/01 17:54:28
I'll hold off a bit, let somebody else find any new bugs.
 
Being an early implementer starting with 1.0, I have a long-established routine that has let me avoid most Melodyne issues over the years: edit small sections, do the edits and then bounce, and never save a project with pending edits.
 
It's great that temporary files will now be stored with the project files, but my process doesn't require it. By the time I close a project, they're gone anyway. I don't freeze vocal tracks until all Melodyne editing has been completed. I don't use Melodyne in standalone mode, and I don't use Studio One. So there's nothing in this release that I can't live without for awhile.


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Re: Melodyne 4.2.0.020 Update 2018/10/01 18:00:04 (permalink)
My DAW PC has just decided not to boot (not even getting into BIOS) so I guess I will be fault finding rather than trying out Melodyne! The cheapskates who built the PC decided to save a couple of cents on a beep code speaker so the first job is to get hold of one. 

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Re: Melodyne 4.2.0.020 Update 2018/10/01 22:22:38 (permalink)
Sorry to hear of your current issues.
Thanks for notice of update.

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Re: Melodyne 4.2.0.020 Update 2018/10/01 23:05:12 (permalink)
Thanks TS. Such are the joys of PC ownership.

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Re: Melodyne 4.2.0.020 Update 2018/10/02 01:23:02 (permalink)
ARA in Logic. At last.

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Re: Melodyne 4.2.0.020 Update 2018/10/02 18:42:49 (permalink)
Looks like people are having issues with this update: http://forum.cakewalk.com/New-Melodyne-Update-in-CbB-m3787454.aspx
 
I'm holding off upgrading for the moment...

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Re: Melodyne 4.2.0.020 Update 2018/10/02 23:03:29 (permalink)
PC is working again but I'm glad it delayed me installing the Melodyne update. Might hold off until they iron out the bugs.

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Re: Melodyne 4.2.0.020 Update 2018/10/03 16:07:00 (permalink)
I was foolish and grabbed the update straight away. Now I have to specify the algorithm every clip I work on because the Default choice is not sticking. If this isn't fixed PDQ I'll roll back.  Don't companies beta-test anymore??

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Re: Melodyne 4.2.0.020 Update 2018/10/04 13:05:26 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby TheMaartian 2018/10/04 15:58:37
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Can't find what's new. Anyone know if this is the ARA2 update?

Yes! 4.2 feature ARA2, but still can work as ARA(1).
 
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The only reference I could find to 4.2 from Ceremony only mentions compatibility with Logic Pro X. I cannot find the release notes specifically.

ARA2 is still a mystery as to how Ceremony will release it. I always assumed it would be in a major release, but no clue. It may manifest more on the DAW side with hooks into data (rather than standalone ARA2, per se), since Studio One launched a chunk of those features in version 4.

It is odd that we are 9 months after the ARA2 announcement without a clear understanding of everything.

Well, it is released now. Not explicitly advertised as "ARA2" for Melodyne, but it is there.
RevoicePro 4 also has it.
 
4.2 mention Logic, but in fact it also works with other DAWs supporting ARA2.
I have just tested it with REAPER (rc3 for the next release, I guess coming next days). Inserted as a normal FX... done. No "transfers" or anything special (like "Region") is required.

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Re: Melodyne 4.2.0.020 Update 2018/10/04 16:44:03 (permalink)
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...miss the better sounding results I used to get with Meldodyne version 1.

I started on version 1 too, but I don't remember it sounding better or worse.
 
In fact, I am constantly impressed with how good the product is. There have been times when I've edited and bounced a clip, only to later notice a mistake that required a re-edit. Normally, I try to avoid that so as to not let artifacts accumulate. But every time I've done that the second bounce's quality seemed just as good as the original. I think it's because Melodyne is careful to modify only the edited portion and leave everything else alone.
 
The difference between your experience and mine might come down to how we use Melodyne. Do you ever let it make corrections for you, or do you always make every edit by hand?
 


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Re: Melodyne 4.2.0.020 Update 2018/10/04 18:27:46 (permalink)
I have also the impression that making by hand gets better results. And IMHO automatic vocal pitch correction almost always leads to fault pitches, because the detection with more complex instruments (e.g. vocals/lead guitar) is often deficient (and difficult to adjust). If you have a singer that starts a syllable on one note and draws it up or down (often used in pop and rock music), then it is crucial where the start of the second note is set in regard to the resulting pitches. I found out that in such cases Melodyne often does a bad job in detection and thus the pitches seem to be wrong. But because I found that it sounded correct I tried to shift the starting point of the second note and voila the pitches were suddenly correct without need of pitch correction! Thus I use Melodyne more for rhythm precision/corrections and rarely for pitch corrections (with vocals/lead guitar), because it often makes it worse (or if you do it to the extreme the vocals/guitar sound sterile). Working with acoustic, rhythm guitars or pianos is another thing (here the detection is much more useful).
 
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Re: Melodyne 4.2.0.020 Update 2018/10/04 18:44:20 (permalink)
Eli Krantzberg has a sweet Groove3 series out on Melodyne and ARA for Logic Pro.

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Re: Melodyne 4.2.0.020 Update 2018/10/06 14:12:20 (permalink)
I Melodyne 2.1.2 Editor and I just got an upgrade offer to go 4.2 Editor for $49. That's the cheapest I've seen the upgrade, but with all of my reading I can't see any reason to upgrade from what I have. To Studio perhaps (if I would even use all that stuff) but not just to update to Editor...
 
am I missing something?
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Re: Melodyne 4.2.0.020 Update 2018/10/06 14:28:25 (permalink)
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I Melodyne 2.1.2 Editor and I just got an upgrade offer to go 4.2 Editor for $49. That's the cheapest I've seen the upgrade, but with all of my reading I can't see any reason to upgrade from what I have. To Studio perhaps (if I would even use all that stuff) but not just to update to Editor...
 
am I missing something?




I'd go for the upgrade.
 
Personally, I've found the pitch detection to be far superior in v4 compared to v2, but maybe that's just down to my source material.
 
Also, who knows how long v2 will continue to be supported (if indeed it is still)
 
I've not yet found a reason to go to the Studio edition. Editor does everything I need it to.

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Re: Melodyne 4.2.0.020 Update 2018/10/06 16:14:20 (permalink)
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To Studio perhaps (if I would even use all that stuff) but not just to update to Editor...

Studio gives the possibility to see several track (also when used inside DAW), so it works with audio like a multi-track PRV with MIDI. That was primary reason for me to get it...
 
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Re: Melodyne 4.2.0.020 Update 2018/10/06 16:40:23 (permalink)
They tell you to judge tuning with your ear and not your eyes.  I find Melodyne to be useful for small corrections but I've gone into it and moved the blob to the pitch it's supposed to be and sometimes it only makes the situation worse.  As far as the update, I'm comfortable using it as I have been using it for almost 10 years now (Essentials) by cuing up to a specific area I want to tune, then pushing the Transfer button and doing it that way.  I'm not sure I want to use it the new way which involves bringing the whole song in at once.  Melodyne is very memory intensive and
would probably crash if I used it this way on my system.  I'd rather stick to spot tuning as I have been, at least until I find out a bit more about it.  As somebody else here said, it would be nice if they gave the option to go back to previous build if things don't work out.
 
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Re: Melodyne 4.2.0.020 Update 2018/10/06 20:00:17 (permalink)
I've got the previous build and I'm going to give it a try. I updated too quickly and all the 'improvements' seem to be regarding its running better in Studio One. The reply I got from Celemony to my pointing out a major bug (that the chosen default algorithm doesn't now get remembered and all blobs come in as percussive every time so I have to keep changing the algorithm to Melodic) of 'it will take some time' could mean months.


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Re: Melodyne 4.2.0.020 Update 2018/10/06 20:13:37 (permalink)
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I Melodyne 2.1.2 Editor and I just got an upgrade offer to go 4.2 Editor for $49. That's the cheapest I've seen the upgrade, but with all of my reading I can't see any reason to upgrade from what I have. To Studio perhaps (if I would even use all that stuff) but not just to update to Editor...
 
am I missing something?

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Re: Melodyne 4.2.0.020 Update 2018/10/07 00:57:19 (permalink)
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I Melodyne 2.1.2 Editor and I just got an upgrade offer to go 4.2 Editor for $49. That's the cheapest I've seen the upgrade, but with all of my reading I can't see any reason to upgrade from what I have. To Studio perhaps (if I would even use all that stuff) but not just to update to Editor...
 
am I missing something?

Yup. ARA2.




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Re: Melodyne 4.2.0.020 Update 2018/10/13 11:23:22 (permalink)
I’m using most current Melodyne Studio 4.2.0.0.020 version
 
I’ve noticed since current update (4.2) installed, it all loads OK but working in ARA in Sonar (23.10.0 build 14 2017 10 x64 the (the final under Gibson, i.e. not BandLab Cakewalk version)) my default algorithm selection (Melodic) is not used and my clip regions selections (typically vocal) always load as Percussive, I have then go and select desired Algorithm?
 
(As I don’t normally work in standalone mode I haven’t tested this)
 
Interested in if this has been reported by others, and if there’s a solution?

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Re: Melodyne 4.2.0.020 Update 2018/10/13 19:50:43 (permalink)
They broke the default selection of algorithm.  See above in this thread someone else complaining about it.  it's very annoying.

-Matt
 
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Re: Melodyne 4.2.0.020 Update 2018/11/28 13:17:54 (permalink)
What's annoying . Having to keep setting it back over to melodic ? 
Just asking ....
 
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