Melodyne Essential vs. V-vocal vs. New Tone

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2012/05/01 15:25:31 (permalink)

Melodyne Essential vs. V-vocal vs. New Tone

Melodyne Essential is going for $49.99 at Musicians Friend's today in their Stupid Deal of the Day. Do you guys think this is worth picking up if V-vocal is already a feature of recent Sonar and X1 in general? FL Studio also has a pitch correction plugin that sells for $99. It looks cooler than Melodynes with its dark GUI. Do you guys know if New Tone can be used in Sonar or standalone?
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    Re:Melodyne Essential vs. V-vocal vs. New Tone 2012/05/01 15:31:13 (permalink)
    Melodyne beats VV so yeah.... 

    Looking cool or working like it's supposed to...... which would you rather have? 

    Melodyne is one of the best pitch correction packages on the market. If you want clean, artifact free, transparent pitch fixes, Melodyne is the ticket to buy. 

    Just my opinion.  I have it and love it. I use Editor. 


    I did a bunch of comparing before I bought it. 

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    Re:Melodyne Essential vs. V-vocal vs. New Tone 2012/05/01 15:58:08 (permalink)
    Melodyne beats VV so yeah.... Looking cool or working like it's supposed to...... which would you rather have? Melodyne is one of the best pitch correction packages on the market. If you want clean, artifact free, transparent pitch fixes, Melodyne is the ticket to buy. Just my opinion. I have it and love it. I use Editor. I did a bunch of comparing before I bought it.

     
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    Melodyne has no equal when it comes to intonation correction.
    SUPER quick/easy...
     
     

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    Re:Melodyne Essential vs. V-vocal vs. New Tone 2012/05/01 16:14:45 (permalink)
    However it's known to be buggy with Sonar. I have to real-time bounce after the X1d update. Minor annoyance I guess. I've read about memory leaks as well, but don't know of any concrete facts or scenarios. Saying all that...I couldn't do without Melodyne.
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    Re:Melodyne Essential vs. V-vocal vs. New Tone 2012/05/01 16:44:43 (permalink)
    I've tried a few.. Melodyne is no doubt the best.  It does work buggy as a Sonar plugin, I'm guessing they will address that soon enough ( Right??!?)  ; )

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    Re:Melodyne Essential vs. V-vocal vs. New Tone 2012/05/01 17:09:16 (permalink)
    And there is a significant number of Sonar users who experience no problems running V-Vocal.

    Just saying, for sake of balance 

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    Re:Melodyne Essential vs. V-vocal vs. New Tone 2012/05/01 17:23:54 (permalink)
    Is V-Vocal updated? I haven't used it in a long time but I remember it being fiddly to use and with less than excellent results. There's a possibillity that I never managed to learn it properly. Anyway, I ended up geting Melodyne instead which I have never had any problems with. I never leave it in the project tho, as soon as I'm done editing I do (as someone else say) a real-time bounce and get rid of it. Never had a crash and the results are amazing!

    On a different note - I work professionally with Nuendo as well and have used the built in pitch correction inside Nuendo quite extensively. Melodyne even beats that to the ground. It's absolutely fantastic. However, if you're after an autotune effect, it's not that great. But that's positive I guess if your primary goal is to keep things sounding natural. For that you can't beat Melodyne (sorry V-Vocal)

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    Re:Melodyne Essential vs. V-vocal vs. New Tone 2012/05/01 18:07:56 (permalink)
    V-Vocal is probably not going to be part of Sonar, for the next version update (this was mentioned by one of the Cakewalk guys, Brandon?)
    Melodyne is the best for correction purposes;Autotune is the best for vocal sound altering.
    FL-Studio has always been good at vocal FXing, so I assume Newtone enhances that.
     
    I still prefer V-Vocal over Newtone, even though newTone is is easier like moving one note at a time. For me Newtone gets more phasey moving an entire clip over a wider range versus V-Vocal.
     
    If V-Vocal is abandoned, hopefully Cakewalk has something better planned.
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    Re:Melodyne Essential vs. V-vocal vs. New Tone 2012/05/01 18:15:40 (permalink)
    Seems like Auto-Tune gets no love. I have both Melodyne and Auto-Tune and get better quality results from Auto-Tune - ***graphical, not auto, mode***

    Melodyne's interface is less cluttered and perhaps more intuitive, but, in my experience, unless you slice the Ss off of every single word (that has an S) and exclude them from processing, the results sound phasey and unnatural. 

    I totally respect the opinion of the folks who prefer Melodyne, but it gets talked about as though it were a foregone conclusion that Melodyne is the best. 

    That said, $50 is pretty cheap and Melodyne sounds a lot better than V-Vocal. My preference for Auto-Tune aside, I'd say go for it.



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    Re:Melodyne Essential vs. V-vocal vs. New Tone 2012/05/01 18:29:49 (permalink)
    Melodyne is not buggy at all here in Sonar X1.

    Sonar however doesnt fast bounce clips or tracks with it inserted and keep the edits from Melodyne.

    Sonar 8.5 does fast bounce Melodyne correctly.

    Melodyne is the most natural sounding, greatest vocal tuning software in existence.

    Sound of it is vastly superior, much more true to the original vocal take tone.

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    Re:Melodyne Essential vs. V-vocal vs. New Tone 2012/05/01 18:42:32 (permalink)
    I'll find out, I ordered it along with some other items from M/F today.  I wasn't going to order it but after the other items, I decided to bite.

    I tried Auto Tune 7 and it won't work with Sonar 64 bit (they reluctantly refunded my money after admitting it won't run with Sonar 64 bit - they told me to install Sonar 32 bit so it would work). 


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    Re:Melodyne Essential vs. V-vocal vs. New Tone 2012/05/01 18:46:53 (permalink)
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    Sonar however doesnt fast bounce clips or tracks with it inserted and keep the edits from Melodyne.

    Sonar 8.5 does fast bounce Melodyne correctly.

    Lance


    This is a known bug in Sonar X1, though, right? The problem with bouncing to clip not rendering time based/synced effects? I hope so, and that it will be fixed by Cakewalk SOON! Even though Melodyne says they don't support it, putting Melodyne on a clip a bouncing to clip was by far the easiest way to work with it. And it did work fine the last time I tried it... which must have been before X1d. I sent a support question about the fix for this to Cakewalk over 2 days ago, and have yet to receive a reply.

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    Re:Melodyne Essential vs. V-vocal vs. New Tone 2012/05/01 18:51:12 (permalink)
    yeah, it is a SONAR thing. I have reported it. Melodyne fast bounce was fine before X1.

    Still I can bounce to a track without fast bounce selected and Melodyne bounces fine.

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    Re:Melodyne Essential vs. V-vocal vs. New Tone 2012/05/01 19:25:49 (permalink)
    I run Editor in X1 essentials build "c". 

    I have no problems and have seen no bugs in Melodyne. I always bounce it or quite often now I simply "apply Audio/process" the track or section of the track I an correcting. 

    I've not had a single issue doing it that way.  And the bounce happens pretty quick so I assume it is fast bouncing. 

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    Re:Melodyne Essential vs. V-vocal vs. New Tone 2012/05/01 19:34:48 (permalink)
    Good info Guitarhacker.

    Thanx!

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    Re:Melodyne Essential vs. V-vocal vs. New Tone 2012/05/01 19:39:23 (permalink)
    Can Melodyne run as a real time plug like autotune evo?

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    Re:Melodyne Essential vs. V-vocal vs. New Tone 2012/05/01 19:43:42 (permalink)
    The data has to be transferred to the plugin in real time. Then when it is in the plugin, the plugin does not have to be processed, so at that point, the edits are playing back real time essentially.

    I like to bounce instances of it to save resources and keep the project less complex.

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    Re:Melodyne Essential vs. V-vocal vs. New Tone 2012/05/01 20:06:25 (permalink)
    I have Melodyne Essential and it does sound better than V-Vocal. But, the Essential doesn't do vibrato pitch changes within a given note. If you have a note where the singer slides up or down into the correct pitch, you can't even that out. On those occasions, I sing it over or use V-Vocal to correct it. So I use both. at some point though, I'm gonna upgrade to Editor if I come across a great deal from Melodyne, and then it's bye bye V-Vocal.

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    Re:Melodyne Essential vs. V-vocal vs. New Tone 2012/05/01 20:20:17 (permalink)
    As big a SONAR fan as I am, I also prefer Melodyne hands down... the Editor version, anyway.  
     
    But I also use it within Studio One via ARA so it opens in-place similar to the PRV.   I haven't used S1 for much else at this point, but for this use it works really well.  Add ARA to SONAR and it would be, well, wow. 
     

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    Re:Melodyne Essential vs. V-vocal vs. New Tone 2012/05/02 09:06:47 (permalink)
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    Can Melodyne run as a real time plug like autotune evo?

    Tony, 


    Not in real time.  It requires capturing the recorded audio into melodyne first. That is done by activating capture and then hitting playback and letting it run start to finish. 


    Then the audio can be manipulated.  Melodyne syncs to the playback point. If you jump the playback by clicking to a different part of the song during playback .....melodyne is out of sync with the Sonar playback until you stop and restart the playback. 


    You can also start the capture at any point in a song. For example if one note in the first chorus is off, you start capture right before that note and stop shortly after. Make the corrections and then simply apply audio process..... it "prints" the fix to the track and removes the plug. Man I use it that way all the time. quick and easy. 


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    Re:Melodyne Essential vs. V-vocal vs. New Tone 2012/05/02 09:34:51 (permalink)
    Meodyne is better than V-Vocal, but I am not familiar with "Essential."  I have Assistant.
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    Re:Melodyne Essential vs. V-vocal vs. New Tone 2012/05/02 09:37:53 (permalink)
    Fast bounce broke in X1d. I used it in X1c without issue.
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    Re:Melodyne Essential vs. V-vocal vs. New Tone 2012/05/02 12:46:29 (permalink)
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    Meodyne is better than V-Vocal, but I am not familiar with "Essential."  I have Assistant.

    essential is the stripped down version.... just what you need and no more, to do pitch correction. 


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    Re:Melodyne Essential vs. V-vocal vs. New Tone 2012/05/02 21:03:32 (permalink)
    The problem with V-vocal is that it's Roland's code. I don't believe CW even have access to the source code. This is why it's been impossible for CW to fix it. V-vocal is fundamentally broken and unfortunately makes Sonar look bad. Sonar would honestly be better with no vocal intonation tool rather than a broken one. If you include something, people expect it to work. If you don't, people just go and get something 3rd party. My vote is get rid of V-vocal from any future version of Sonar.

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    Re:Melodyne Essential vs. V-vocal vs. New Tone 2012/05/03 05:55:07 (permalink)
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    I've tried a few.. Melodyne is no doubt the best.  It does work buggy as a Sonar plugin, I'm guessing they will address that soon enough ( Right??!?)  ; )
    Yes, there is a memory leak in it.  Yes, they are working on it.
    Interestingly, I see on the Presonus Studio One forums that Presonus have just discovered a similar resource problem with Melodyne that causes ever-increasing use of memory in Studio 1.

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    Re:Melodyne Essential vs. V-vocal vs. New Tone 2012/05/03 08:02:25 (permalink)
    Melodyne is fantastic. I just prefer to use it stand alone rather than VST etc. I also use Melodyne Editor version.

    I always export a vocal or bass line though, fix in Melodyne then import to new track via the browser.

    For me I like hearing the orig and edited tracks independently. Takes a couple more minutes, but since Melodyne seems to be a resource hog at 64bit, that method is so much better and never has a problem vs working in X1 or other daws..

    I never had much appreciation for auto tune or VV as a pitch correction tool. The others work for effects but not for pitch and pitch modulation and other edits.

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    Re:Melodyne Essential vs. V-vocal vs. New Tone 2012/05/03 16:13:30 (permalink)
    Well I opted not to pick up the Essential version because to upgrade it, it cost a lot more then just starting out with Assistant. And with Assistant, it has a few more features. I figure, V-vocal has all the basic pitch correction features that I would possibly need. So it didn't make sense for me to spend another $49 for basic features. Autotune looks sharp too but doesn't look as easy to use.
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    Re:Melodyne Essential vs. V-vocal vs. New Tone 2012/05/03 17:41:04 (permalink)
    V-Vocal does have it place and times; but Melodyne likewise is my go to picth correction tool...

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