Melodyne and ASIO Buffer

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2013/05/21 21:56:11 (permalink)

Melodyne and ASIO Buffer

 I had a really messed-up Melodyne crashing situation and the advice from Sweetwater and Celemony was to ensure the buffer was set to 1024 samples in Preferences.



That;s fine, but here is what is bothering me about this:

1. I cut a lot of tracks with Meldoyne and an ASIO buffer of 256 without problems so I am suspicious when someone says the buffer is the issue.

2. 1024 is not even close to usable when tracking: the latency is so great the singer feels like he/she is using a slow slapback, 100% wet.



So, at this time I am tracking (recording) at 256 and then switching to 1024 for Melodyne work, but that does not seem like a normal way to work.

Thoughts?

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    clintmartin
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    Re:Melodyne and ASIO Buffer 2013/05/21 22:18:04 (permalink)
    That's how I do it. I only use Melodyne when mixing...much later.

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    Re:Melodyne and ASIO Buffer 2013/05/21 22:40:44 (permalink)
    To the original poster, it seems from searching the forum that Melodyne wants 1024, and some comments in what I found indicate that they remove other plugs and such when using it.

    Here are the threads I found on my search that might have some content that applies to you.  One of the threads was started by you, but you never got a complete answer from anyone in the forum - it's sort of an orphan:

    http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=2822021

    http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=2773838

    http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=1901480


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    Re:Melodyne and ASIO Buffer 2013/05/22 01:32:11 (permalink)
    As everybody I do get the same warning message about the buffer size when inserting melodyne, but I never bothered to increase it out of pure ignorance  ... however, so far I have not experienced any problems with melodyne; so i see no reason to increase buffer size when editing / mixing ... i hope it stays like this ...


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    Re:Melodyne and ASIO Buffer 2013/05/22 03:52:41 (permalink)
    This is not an issue that is Sonar-specific.

    I, too, was having problems with Melodyne in Sonar, and then I found that Celemony suggests a 1024 buffer for best operation in all systems. Here's a link to their forum that gives their advice to avoid crashes.

    http://www.celemony.com/userforum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=7555

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    Re:Melodyne and ASIO Buffer 2013/05/22 10:55:57 (permalink)
    Ive used Melodyne with ASIO buffers set allot lower. I can use it with buffers at 128 or 254 in ASIO driver mode.


    It seems that there are hundreds of variables to take into account

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    Re:Melodyne and ASIO Buffer 2013/05/22 11:35:13 (permalink)
    Thanks for all the help, everyone.

    I have a particular vocal sound and Melodyne is an important tool for me.  (No, NOT the Cher or T-Pain sound—much more subtle than that.

    By the way, I remember a somewhat 10cc-sounding group that used the so-called Cher sound before Cher, but I have searched and can't find it anywhere.  I remember that it was on the playlist in the movie theater before the show started so I heard it a zillion times for a while and used to think it was some kind of weird vocoder things (since we didn't know about AutoTune etc then).

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    Re:Melodyne and ASIO Buffer 2013/05/22 11:56:57 (permalink)
    You should use Melodyne at a 1024 buffer.
    I recommend only using Melodyne while mixing, applied as a clip effect and bouncing it down after corrections.

    I typically track vocals, and after they are fully comped, make a copy of the track, bounce the copy down and hide the original vocal track. Then I add melodyne  as a clip effect  and work on any corrections.

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    Re:Melodyne and ASIO Buffer 2013/05/22 13:04:40 (permalink)
    I don't normally use Melodyne while I'm still tracking and if I do, or if I have used it on tracks I freeze them so I can safely use a smaller buffer to do more tracking.

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    Re:Melodyne and ASIO Buffer 2013/05/22 13:28:29 (permalink)
    I've always used a 256 buffer with Melodyne with no issues.  As CJ said.. lots of factors to be taken into account (Computer, number of active plugins, etc)
    I always make my melodyne edits, freeze it, copy the corrected wave to a new track, and remove melodyne from the original track.  ; )

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