Melodyne... which version for a SONAR user?

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2008/11/26 18:44:54 (permalink)

Melodyne... which version for a SONAR user?

I've been fooling with V-Vocal and now I'm thinking I'd like to try Melodyne.

So if you primarily work with SONAR what Melodyne version is best to purchase? Is the "plugin" a no-brainer or is one of the freestanding versions something to consider?



this kinda scares me:

"sample editors like Steinberg Wavelab or Bias Peak cannot be used. Unlike sequencer programs, these editors do not send beat related information that is necessary for Melodyne plugin to work. "Offline editing" is not what the plug-in is made for. So the incompatibility of sample editors is not a bug, it's just a different handling of audio data."

Because I'm working on free run content... the tempo map isn't synced to the content at all. Does it matter if you just want to tune correct?


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mike
post edited by mike_mccue - 2008/11/26 18:58:33


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    RE: Melodyne... which version for a SONAR user? 2008/11/26 19:37:08 (permalink)
    The plugin version will be far and away the easiest to use.

    I use the Cre8 edition, which is really a hassle to use - but it lets me do things that no track plugin could ever do. With it, I can edit multiple tracks simultaneously. If you do lots of tight harmonies, Cre8 or Studio will put you in a whole new level of multipart vox editing bliss. But if that's not your thing, then it's probably not worth the trouble.

    Also, Melodyne does have a tendency to get out of sync with the host. Even if the song is at a constant tempo. It's not a simple thing to synchronize two separate applications. I work around this problem by always editing short sections like a single verse. And I avoid some actions that are known to hose the sync, such as moving the Now pointer in SONAR during playback.



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    RE: Melodyne... which version for a SONAR user? 2008/11/26 20:10:44 (permalink)
    Thanks Bitflipper,

    I just read as much about the plugin as I could find. It seems to be much more involved than I would have thought. I think I'd try to bounce to clips as quickly as possible.


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    RE: Melodyne... which version for a SONAR user? 2008/11/27 00:22:13 (permalink)
    Since I bought Melodyne I've never looked back to V-Vocal.
    Plug-In version here.

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    RE: Melodyne... which version for a SONAR user? 2008/11/27 00:46:00 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: mike_mccue

    I just read as much about the plugin as I could find. It seems to be much more involved than I would have thought. I think I'd try to bounce to clips as quickly as possible.


    I use the plugin version on practically every song. It's actually not too involved if you're working with only a few vocal clips, but I can definitely see the value of the standalone versions if you're working with a large ensemble. And, yes, you definitely want to bounce your processed clips as soon as you're done. My typical workflow goes something like this:

    - record vox
    - edit/comp takes to get the final takes for verses, chorus(es), bridge(s), etc.
    - apply Melodyne plugin to correct pitch and any minor timing issues (is also good for reducing plosives, overemphasized words, etc.) to each part (i.e., verse, chorus, etc.)
    - bounce clip to a new track and place it in a new folder called "Corrected Vox"
    - archive the old track
    - repeat until each part is done

    A typical song takes me about an hour or so to process all of the vocals through Melodyne. I also use it as an effect sometimes, etc. It works wonders for pitch-correcting my very un-Jaco-like fretless bass playing . And, it's a great tool for experimenting with vocal harmonies. I usually figure out the vocal harmonies for my songs by copying a track of the part I want harmonized (e.g., a chorus), run it into Melodyne, mute the words I don't want harmonized and move the ones I do up/down, then bounce to a new track. Repeat for other harmonies. Once I have the harmonies figured out, I have the singer just sing the same thing in her real voice. You can probably get by with just the pitch-shifted harmonies, but they usually have some phasing, aritfacts (e.g., "Cher effect"), etc., so I prefer to have them re-recorded. However, if you click on my sig and listen to track #4 (Again & Again), you'll hear some harmonies during the chorus that are just pitch-shifted versions of the original (nudged slightly behind the original to minimze phasing). In that case, Sara (the singer) and I decided that we actually liked the robotic/phasey sounding harmonies better than her real voice, so we stuck with it.
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    RE: Melodyne... which version for a SONAR user? 2008/11/27 08:57:38 (permalink)
    Thanks,
    I guess it's a no brainier then. I'm getting it ASAP.

    Thanks for sharing the step by step procedure... it is really appreciated.

    best regards,
    mike




    post edited by mike_mccue - 2008/11/27 08:59:46


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    RE: Melodyne... which version for a SONAR user? 2008/11/28 17:23:59 (permalink)
    YEAHHHH!

    I drove into town today for a gig and was thrilled to find the plugin version in stock at Guitar Center. I got to see a few old friends and get a 15% holiday discount.

    Thanks for all the help!

    best regards,
    mike


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    RE: Melodyne... which version for a SONAR user? 2008/12/13 05:54:51 (permalink)
    I work with the Cre8 Version, because I started years ago with Melodyne Uno. I'm no friend of "Software in Software" using. I prefer creating and editing separate Audioclips and import them into a Sonar song.

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