Memory timings

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2011/10/18 10:30:44 (permalink)

Memory timings

I have an ASUS P8H67-M-Pro motherboard, I got this board as I wanted to run the 2600k's on-chip video and save the expense of an add-on card.

It's been running Sonar and all my audio apps. really well, I get really low-latency with a Roland Quad Capture and I've yet to run a project that has taken the processor meter above 15%.  In all it's the best system I've had for a long time.

One drawback though.  Once a week or so, since I've had it the screen just garbles and the system dies on it's feet and it just displays this flickering screen garbage, a forced reboot always puts it back on it's feet.

It's been a difficult little bugette to troubleshoot because of how infrequently it happens and there seems to be no rhyme or reason as to why it happens, most of the time it has happened when the system is idle.

I've check the PSU for power output vs current draw, reseated the memory and done exaustive tests on it, updated to all the latest drivers including the BIOS, (users of the same board please note Asus have recently updated the Bios to v1104) and gone through all the likely suspects to no avail, I'd also pretty much ruled out driver or OS issues as I run a dual boot and it was just as likely to happen under XP as it was W7 64.

I'm using a single Corsair DDR3 4mb module and it is set to run in the BIOS at the Intel recommended max speed of 1333 (666 MHz) for this board. 

The thing is this particular module is capable of running at 800MHz and with all the BIOS memory timings set to Auto I guess it is quizzing the module and setting all the timings as if it was running at full speed and at 1.65v rather than at the recommended 1.5v.

So having armed my self with all the correct timings for the module for it to run at 1333(666MHz) I set about entering the correct tamer values into the BIOS rather than relying on the BIOS's automatic settings.

I haven't had the screen garble issue since, the system overall seems to be running even better.  Placebo effect maybe but I figured it was a good thing to point out to anyone else suffering from inexplicable machine weirdness.

Check the recommend memory timings match your actual installation. 
post edited by Jonbouy - 2011/10/18 10:40:01

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    Re:Memory timings 2011/10/18 12:02:32 (permalink)
    "Jonbouy"
    and gone through all the likely suspects to no avail, I'd also pretty much ruled out driver or OS issues as I run a dual boot and it was just as likely to happen under XP as it was W7 64

    You don't mention checking for an over-heating CPU, which you probably have already... but the symptoms you describe could be related to this. I rely on SPD timings since I run my system at stock speed, but anyone OC'ing even in moderation should definitely review memory timings. Time will tell if you nailed this one.
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    Re:Memory timings 2011/10/18 14:50:49 (permalink)

    You don't mention checking for an over-heating CPU, which you probably have already...


    Check, yes that should have been the first thing I mentioned being as the video is on chip...

    It doesn't ever get above 40C (105F) though based on the Windows High Performance power plan even with all the core parking, speed step and power saving turned off (btw I don't actually run in this configuration, I use it just for testing purposes and have yet to see any benefit in doing so) 52 (127F)  is as high as it gets.

    But yes these are the SPID timings that are being rated off a 800MHz (1600) capable chip when Intel rates the max memory speed on the H67 boards as 666MHz (1333).

    The memory needs to be reigned-in here it's not to do with overclocking.

    The way things are running now with no measurable drop in benchmark figures makes me pretty confident I've nailed it this time.

    Pllfffzzzd....


    post edited by Jonbouy - 2011/10/18 16:32:21

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    Re:Memory timings 2011/10/18 22:44:39 (permalink)
    Hey Jon, Thanks for this.

    So I have this board: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131705
    and this ram: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233143

    The details of the ram say the timings are: 9-9-9-24.


    So, I go into the bios and take it off auto and enter 9-9-9-24 in each slot?

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    Re:Memory timings 2011/10/18 23:48:34 (permalink)
     Timidi, I have the P8P67Pro board, and the same RAM as you, except mine is the low profile variety. In the "AI Tweaker" section of the BIOS, I set the RAM setting to XMP, which engaged the only profile available (#1), resulting in target settings of 1.5 volts for the CPU, and a target speed of 4.2 GHz; the RAM timing was automatically set to 9-9-9-24.

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    Re:Memory timings 2011/10/19 08:05:31 (permalink)
    timidi


    Hey Jon, Thanks for this.

    So I have this board: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131705
    and this ram: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233143

    The details of the ram say the timings are: 9-9-9-24.


    So, I go into the bios and take it off auto and enter 9-9-9-24 in each slot?

    Tim

    Don't forget I had a problem with the on-chip video garbling.

    If it ain't broke don't try and fix it.

    Yes those main timing figures are the same as mine and are Auto set and are only part of the picture as when you look in the BIOS you'll see a whole rake of other figures that I needed to correct.  The RAM and Mobo combo you linked to should be fine as you are using a P67 chipset board and the RAM is designed to run at full speed 800MHz (1600) at 1.5v anyway.

    You need a trial version of something like Aida 64 or similar to get the full SPID figures of the memory you are using in order to check the recommended figures for the memory chip at the required speed and voltages and check them against the actual figures set in the BIOS.

    But mostly unless there IS a specific issue you are trying to troubleshoot I'd suggest leaving well alone.


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    Re:Memory timings 2011/10/19 13:37:06 (permalink)
    "Jonbouy"
    But mostly unless there IS a specific issue you are trying to troubleshoot I'd suggest leaving well alone.

    Not bad advice there Mr. Jonbouy, not bad at all... 
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    Re:Memory timings 2011/10/25 16:55:41 (permalink)
    An update to this as my issue is now officially cured.

    I reset all my memory timings back to the BIOS 'Auto' defaults.

    The ASUS system level up app. which boosts the GPU was taking it all the way to 1650MHz. I've manually backed that figure down to 1500MHz which solves the occasional screen garbling problem with no measurable reduction in performance.

    So anybody using an ASUS H67 board to leverage the on-chip Intel 3000 graphics of the 2600k chip take note.

    Get a newer X68 board...lol.

    Mind you for a sub-£500 machine that runs as sweetly as this does now, I'm not complaining...


    post edited by Jonbouy - 2011/10/25 16:59:30

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    Re:Memory timings 2011/10/25 17:42:42 (permalink)
    Thanks Jon

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