Merry mint and jello Pudding with Shrubberries ~ T.B 101

With Thanks to those who helped me along the way...as today is a day of thanks it seems....And I believe in all my post I have given thanks to all ...always..unless...les is Les.
 
I have to say..That with that help...I found something we, PC builders should do, before trying to build one...Read the Manual of the MOBO...And find out what slot shares with what slot...before hand.
 
That is my contribution to this Forum....And it has been my Attemp throughout the years, to try to get things Not To share IRQ's....I think this is very important to point at and impliment...
 
So thanks to all...I have been busy...I will get back to you all in time...with my findings....and I hope I help...as those who need help should get it....The positives, and those who are negitive...
 
So say we all?
A little More Pie please.
 
LOL
 
...and again.... Thank you!

????...the answer is Yes!

Well is it not thank you week? day? or such?...Then there is mine...

The first thing to ~T.B 101 (TO BUILD)..is read the manual of the PC MOBO build first and formost... sent to all ././/with pie and yes ICECREAM if you want....

Then find out what slots share...and do not put important cards (firewire, SATA. or the likes there of) into shared slots, If one requires dedicated and uninterupted functioning......as with my new Mobo....seems it is a video mobo with all these pci x16 slots...and when you put in a video card in the top slot, as requested by the manufacture of the MOBO...it shares with the 3rd lower slot, and so on and so ofrth, which is a pci-e 1x slot...which with the double sized video cards these days blocking its use...we move down to the next pci-e x16 and or 1x slot, which is shared with......tada...firewire is sharing with video card....not good....

New eufi bios is nice... 
I find that the new bios format has downfalls....It is no longer possible to set irq's or slots to them...No turning off or on plug and pray OS...anymore???

Yah...I see issues...coming before I even start...and they can be veriable in nature...starting right there with the start of the build.... 

"???" + "??" - "?"... So yes..is my answer to the question marks...LES's T.B. 101 moves two steps backwards.....and anything goes when asking and eating pie with Shrubberries, and minted pudding on the side...LOL.

When they knighted him they must have swung a bit hard to the top of the noggin, me thinks.

I cannot express an opinion on the mint jelly, but the shrubbery should be trimmed, but perhaps for a landing strip.

All that aside, there IS something to be said for a bit of homework on hardware purchases of all sorts, PARTICULARLY when it all has to combine into a hopefully smooth running cohesive unit, such as a DAW.

Bob Bone

i'm honored, i take it mints and jello tastes better than crow?

listen, take if from someone whos partaked just about every day since 1976, if ur not gonna keep ur facilities aboutcha then just pick it up and play, shut up for that couple extra minutes really

or maybe it really is poetry, somekinda dada i guess ok u got me

disclaimer: sorry if ur handicapped, i didnt really notice you before now lol

I think he was doing a shot, a bong or a hit of nitro during each ellipsis.

Paul P


Sir Les,

It is my understanding (which is very vague at the moment since I haven't deeply researched this) that PCIe interrupts are not a problem like they used to be and sharing may longer matter.

My ASUS P9X79 WS motherboard has 6 PCIe 3.0x16 slots and they all share the same interrupt.

THat is my problem..I have that board now...although  I wanted the Sabertooth one....but it is not being continued by Asus....hence the next best up was the WS board deluxe...I was told early in life..Buy techies of certain ilk....no sharing is allowed, when it comes to soundcards and i/0 ports ....and I stand by that to some degree or used to...,,.as I have witnessed crashing recently....using the same words you just uttered as a direction on the last 1366 build....and I want to find out why???...interupts?...perhaps that is where we all stop looking for answers...cause they say it is no longer a problem....yet I still have em!....wonder why?...Pudding..I say...it is all in the pudding...Lies are being told...and sold!
 
 
 
 

Tweakberry


i'm honored, i take it mints and jello tastes better than crow?

listen, take if from someone whos partaked just about every day since 1976, if ur not gonna keep ur facilities aboutcha then just pick it up and play, shut up for that couple extra minutes really

or maybe it really is poetry, somekinda dada i guess ok u got me

disclaimer: sorry if ur handicapped, i didnt really notice you before now lol

Ah ha....Facilties aside...We are suppose to make things of Quality...integrity...of valour an honourable merits put in and on and through...to better the human condition....Yes?
 
Why so many Problems with Computers and Recording??/// (a Good reliable Scribe being sought?)...and really never totally stable....Intetesting parallels have come to my imagination....some might be true.
 
Yes just play and shut up...does it solve the problem?...No it continues!....
 
Here is another issue now...I bought a PCI-E x1 Firewire b 800 card with TI chipset...windows 7 64 bit installed with problems in Device manager...No FIREWIRE CARD FOUND...Why?....Well seeing as it was Bought from Canada Computer store...I would say it is toast!
 
But that is just my contence of mind over matter, and constants being applied to the problems at hand...and I just got started!
 
So much more to come...and I like my accoustic Guitars/harp...and I play it while eating shrubberries, and kicking the cat and puppy...till I hear something of merit...
 
Just my way of making it all move along.....And with Thanks....Say what ever you want...it is all just a delusional trek...to the next landing pad on this and other forums...what remains constant is usually caused by something overlooked, falsely stated, or not working as designed......and or ...or told not to look at...I say!.
 
What ..no more shrubberries?....bring me my horse, and armour!...We ride onwards in Quest of...more pudding forthcoming!....LOL
 
 

StepD


I think he was doing a shot, a bong or a hit of nitro during each ellipsis.

Shhhhhh...don't let the monster out of the cave!

Sir Les


 
Here is another issue now...I bought a PCI-E x1 Firewire b 800 card with TI chipset...windows 7 64 bit installed with problems in Device manager...No FIREWIRE CARD FOUND...Why?....Well seeing as it was Bought from Canada Computer store...I would say it is toast! 
  
  
 

are you using the drivers that came with the card?, if so try removing those drivers and letting windows use its own drivers for firewire
 
i bought a firewire card that came with unibrain drivers, when i uninstalled them and let Windows use its own drivers all was good and the card was recognized in Device Manager

but the OP doesnt want computer help, please.. dont let me giving it fool you!

this thread belongs in the Ekke Ekke Ekke Ekke Ptangya Ziiinnggggggg Ni! forum lol

Paul P


Les,

So you had a defective WS board and then a defective Deluxe board.
Hmm, I see a pattern...

Btw, I was wrong. We only have 2 x PCIe3.0x16. Still, should be more than enough for a daw. Is your soundcard PCIe ?

What exactly are your problems, apart from serious bad luck ?

Well Paul...Let me lie down..."It all started back in the hay day".... of Atari and Steinberg...Roland...
Then the PC came out...win 95 and Echo Gina 20bit paired up with Stienberg to anounce "The recording system of the Future"....and Being a multi track recording nut...I bought in.....should of stuck with tape based systems.
 
Well that first Pentium II . Scsi, PC was just the forground to the next best thing..and updates, and crashes...till it went up in smoke!
Well some parts were recovered, and still work...interestingly enough.
 
So my quest has been to get it to work....maybe I have bad luck...You say?....and that is just another reason to find out why, in the spirit?????
 
 I have built some XP systems, with strict implimentation on IRQ sorting... has been a work horse for over five years, works flawlessly with ACID PRO 7...and still my main internet system now...But it is weak in speed, and memory, and ofcourse multi tracking of 16 tracks could cripple her.
 
 My Music system is exclusively for just that..(Sabertooth x58, 980x cpu, 16gb memory, m4 256 ssd main drive, one 6gbps WD 1tb drive, UAD QUAD SOLO, And a FIREWIRE LACIE 800 Card... and a slew of other things added in for storage...Also There are two ports for ssd caching..which I put two performance 128 ssd drives on....to boost speed?
 
I can turn on internet, and turn it off...no problem for updates and drivers then....and when I am going into session work...I turn it off in Bios.
That should make things more stable..by freeing up that IRQ...Right?
 
Well the newer older build Asus Sabertooth x58 board, with a UAD card, and A FIREWIRE LACIE 800 CARD are now having crashing issues....I was using Focusrite pro 40...Not enough inputs for my studio...So the Allen and Heath r16 was aquired...and the driver was said to be buggy, and to turn back to the older version...(fast biker boy on this forum??)..also made some attempts in reverting me backwards ...So...I am at square one again..P.B 101....Thanks for the sofa lie down...it is not so much my bad luck...as many people are having crashing issues....still..in 2011~2013 and beyond?...and you have to ask why!
 
If you do not ask why...then you accept it as normal....computers of such estates should not crash today!...But they do..only because they are cutting corners, and hiding error....to keep selling things to us.....it is the hook...it is the sinker...and it is getting old.
 
Now if you try certain combinations...you may get happy story board.....But..to get you straight...I bought a Sabertooth x79 board, which was toast, I then was given in replacement a WS board...which was toast...and now finally I got the deluxe in a box which says deluxe, covered in a cover box which says WS...Just to make things confusing...So the manual says, and I think I went over the pictures and compared apples to apples, to say yep this is the right manual for the board....We moved to trying to get her running ...which took a bit of...But once I got the OS installed, and all the right Drivers for the board running, and no unknowns in the device manager.....It was time to put in the firewire card on the last pci-e 1x slot on the board.....and it was not detected.
 
Interestingly enough...the tendencies for this sort of thing to happen to me, or anyone else...is kinda magnetically charged to the reps in store playing with opening the boxes...and touching things without proper grounding...
 
Now that that part or buy and run back and forth is over......I can move forward or backwards with my testing my idea....
 
Thanks Doctor PaulIe.....I'll take my coat now...Hope I straightened you out on my funny month of Febulious...With Indoor Shrubberries soon to bare fruit.....and Oga making more pudding...we should be up and answering more issues with solid and tested crumble pie.
 
Just doing it...my way for a change of pace...LOL
 
 
So first thing first...interupts on Firewire or other ports of data flow in out should be reserved and exclusive to those things.....To start off on the right foot forward....I SAY....Wink wink....then move on to WINDOWS TWEAKS IF NEED BE....
 
Just trying to help...again My way...more fun I thinks...
 
 
Thanks for the time...it will all Jello soon.
 
 
 

Paul P


Les : Thanks for the additional info. I'm starting to get the picture.

"It was time to put in the firewire card on the last pci-e 1x slot on the board.....and it was not detected."

Which firewire card are you attempting to use ?

Do you have two or more graphics cards installed ? What are your other cards ? Have you tried your firewire card in another slot, taking something else out of the way if you have to ?

Thanks again Paul..and all the others...good, and bad, positives, and negitives,...it all helps round out the pie.....
 
You are atleast interested in my Stories...Not too many people are...But the fun is in the punnishment..so they said to Jesus.
 
So to answer your questions...On new Build 101 deluxe...Setup by store tech, to post, and show all 64 mismatched memory moduals (due to trying to get the working type in to the other toasted board to post)
The next board in line showed it was working or posting with the mismatched memory, cpu, and hard drives connected....that is what they did for me...the firewire card is a (Syba?) SD-PEX30009 -TI X102213 PCI-E 1X IEEE 1394B CARD Bought at Canada computer store, with the other things(sata 6gbps add on card pci-e 1x) upon retuning the toasted sabertooth x79...
 
I am only using one video card that takes up two slot positions...so the first slot covers the 1st pci-e 1x slot...
I have moved the Video card (against the MoBo manual recommendation) to the middle Pcie x16 slot...to free up my pci-e1x slot...
I also have a Sata 6gbps card with two ports on it...as the motherboard does not have enough of them dare sata ports...even though they are backwards compatable with the slower 3gbps drives..the manufacturers still insist on putting more of the slower state ports on the boards, and not enough of the faster ones....it seems....so I put in the firewire below on th elast slot on the board......And it booted...no firewire detected.....and then the sata card put in and booted... it was detected...but the Firewire is not ....tried swapping ports...still no firewire...but the sata still got put in the device manager as working correctly.....So the ports are working.
 
Also unhid the hiden devices in the device manager....nope not in there!...and I have tried swapping...no luck...and on its own...still no luck.
 
So moe money is now spent on what was said to me, in words... to work well....PYRO...it is a firewire 800 card with TI chipset...I bought two online...coming soon in the mail.....
 
So while I let this system burn in..and check for updates..and put in the general quicktime, and adobe readers...and other burning software and update the firmware......and read more of the manual.....
 
What do you think of my approch to all this ....?
 
Here is something else...USB 3.0 is also backwards compatable with 2.0...yet they still put more of the slower , and less of the faster...and it has been a while now in its developement...So why are Motherboard manufactures still putting redundant/slower ports of calling on motherboards?...when everything is being overclocked to faster and faster is being incurraged in the BIOS to do?......Do you see bottlenecking taking place?...slow transfer rates?....yah...some people are!....wonder why?
 
So only one video card installed, and one only needs one good one...Gybabite ATI 7770 ...right?...I will change it when I find a good single slot single size one with 2mb of memory....and yep... MOE MONEY dropped on it!...
 
THE pudding is getting a thumbs down at this junction point.
But I am sure it would make a good Film editing and cgi system....with all dem dare slots for video cards and all shared for faster sli or crossfire I would imagine?
 
I do not go into sli or crossfire with my Music systems....as Video was, and according to Allen and Heaths tech tips...all video accelleration is to be turned off along with the internet networking nics and wi fi....and has been a long standing issue with many daw developers...in past history with me...
 
So I did install the blue tooth thing...but then I turned it off in Bios...as it showed up as a unknown device..and would not install the driver untill I put in the module, and then installed the driver...So that went away...and then we tried firewire ...and tried...and tried
 
So more toast..for the bread pudding....yippie.
 
So Paul...what you think about this one?....
 
On mY other Sabertooth x58...I have implimented the swap to the lower for the firewire, and put the UAD card on top...better performance is noted...but I still had a crash...and data dump...with SONAR X2a....So not up to speed yet...but it is all kinda new gear...maybe it just needs some TLC and the right drivers..and proper setup slot wise.....perhaps?...as the firewire card in that system is LACIE...a very good brand in my book...who no longer make em...as they told me...the new thing is thunderbolt....and ofcourse the standards change..or are never standard!...To keep us paying to make it work......Right Paul?....Well that is my finding so far.....I think my point is valid....more tea and pie?..no problem!
 
 
 
 

Tweakberry

Sir Les


 
Here is another issue now...I bought a PCI-E x1 Firewire b 800 card with TI chipset...windows 7 64 bit installed with problems in Device manager...No FIREWIRE CARD FOUND...Why?....Well seeing as it was Bought from Canada Computer store...I would say it is toast! 
  
  
 

are you using the drivers that came with the card?, if so try removing those drivers and letting windows use its own drivers for firewire
 
i bought a firewire card that came with unibrain drivers, when i uninstalled them and let Windows use its own drivers all was good and the card was recognized in Device Manager

Well thanks for asking...It does seem to have come with a mini Diskette with lots of drivers on it...the problem is...the firewire card is not being detected to install divers to.....
 
So that sinks that idea....and even if it was detected...windows 7 would put its own legacy driver in, and say the best driver is already installed...Or so I have witnessed when trying to revert back to older drivers....wink wink.
 
So more pie is on the way...as the baker told me so....But thanks...it all helps....form direction.....I like straight lines myself...but these circles can be fun...for a while.
 
Regards

Ok then there dem dare words or imaginary spirit...spoken with conviction, and honesty.....will now end....I will try to move this to the appropriate Computer nerds forum...to start troubleshooting...Nice to have met most of you ...a fine bunch you are...

Just remember...not just with my insanity...but others who have simular if not worse problems...are people...and people sometimes in frantic states of mind...need to be allowed to vent.....Some see this as negitivity....But with my post here...I don't blame them for being negitive at all!.....So be mindful...be Joyious...Be Good to one another...reach out...be nice...Have some shrubberries...and a cuppa tea....and go forth and solve...if possible...help if you can...and even be negitive nicely...cause opposites can help people see through it...and come to a alternate conclusion in resolve.

So it all helps us help us move forward....see?

See yah on T.B 102....comin soon...

chuckebaby


isnt firewire kinda being phased out a we bit?
please forgive me if im wrong,i mean no ignorance.
but should't thou be looking toward usb ?

like i said,please forgive thee if im wrong.

(please,speak in mid evil only)

Opps sorry...one more question to answer...I did not see you...but I will not denie you and answer.
 
Yes firewire is being phazed out by MS...for USB...Like I posed in one other post I put up about the fighting for domonance over...Apples invention..or Microsofts...
 
Now I tried USB...and found it had some issues...if I liked hearing keystrokes and mouse movements over my speakers...and headphones...I would merrily endorce it as a positive Port of calling for the masses...
But after trying to get that noise out of my head..and equipment...I moved to a more exclusive port...no mouse, no keyboards, no usb drives transfering stuff..or being paged..or whatever usb does while checking its ports...
 
See...should it be phazed out?....so many people bought in on it...and it does work to some extent on XP...atleast it was for me...
 
So why kill it?...or is it being killed prematurely to bring in usb ?..by MS?...
 
Not that I do not want help...I do...but I am not ready to be helped...as first I must get to square one...and I know I can..cause I have...it is finding the problem with my last build ...and this new one being built...and firewire.....Now if you spent $2,500.00 on a firewire mixing board...would USB be the solution for it?
 
So a need is there...and a reason for it...so why kill it?...if it is a card we can impliment with drivers...if it would only work....what is stopping it from working in WIN 7 properly?...where as in XP it works ...atleast I never had it crash on me while recording....
 
So...does it matter...?...Thunderbolt is another Apple Product....and it will be a new problem to solve for...and MS will try to corrupt it...no doubt about it....or make something better...So they may say....
 
But thanks for asking....I do not think it is out of need yet.....as many people are having problems with USB and FIREWIRE...So lots of things to consider....Just keepin it real....so I thought.