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2016/10/18 22:09:29 (permalink)

Mic Shopping

This is my list...
 
AKG D880 - dented grill from a time the mic stand tipped over - used for vocals sometimes
 - Purchased in 1998
http://www.akg.com/D880+++D880+S-1290.html?pid=1574
 
Shure SM57
 - Purchased in 1998
http://www.shure.com/americas/products/microphones/sm/sm57-instrument-microphone
 
Shure SM86 - vocals
 - Gifted in 2005?
http://www.shure.com/americas/products/microphones/sm/sm86-vocal-microphone
 
Shure PG81 - Drum Overhead
 - Purchased in 2003?
http://www.shure.com/americas/products/microphones/pg/pg81-instrument-microphone
 
I have 3 of these  - Purchased in 2002? - Drum mics
Shure PG56
http://www.shure.com/americas/products/microphones/pg/pg56-snare-tom-microphone
 
Shure PG52  - Purchased in 2002? - Kick Drum Mic
http://www.shure.com/americas/products/microphones/pg/pg52-instrument-microphone
 
CAD TSM411 - Purchased in 2014 - Snare Mic
http://cadaudio.com/TSM411.php
 
Studio Projects SP B3  - Purchased in 2007? - Vocals or whatever - my first mic with a figure 8 pattern.
http://www.studioprojectsusa.com/b3.html
 
MXL Guitar Cube Pro - Purchased in 2014 and let go 2015 for the MXL R77 because the Guitar Cube Pro couldn't handle a loud guitar amp. It might have been ok on an unamped acoustic guitar, but for loud stuff, it wasn't the right tool. MXL inspected the mic and helped me upgrade in exchange for the Cube.
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/condenser-microphones/mxl-guitar-cube-pro
 
MXL Mogami Edition V69 Tube   - Purchased in 2008 - Anything but usually Vocals
http://www.mxlmics.com/microphones/studio/V69/
 
Blue Bluebird  - Purchased in 2009? - Anything but usually Vocals
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/Bluebird
 
MXL V63M  - Purchased in 2006 - Anything but usually Acoustic Guitars - frankly, for low level recordings this one sounds awfully like the MXL R77
http://www.mxlmics.com/microphones/900-series/63M/
 
2 KM184 Neumann Mics. 2015
https://www.neumann.com/?lang=en&id=current_microphones&cid=km180_description
 
MXL R77 Ribbon Mic - 2015 - Handles high volume better than anything else I've got, but I'd be scared to use it outside and it comes with white gloves to wear while handling.
http://www.mxlmics.com/microphones/studio/R77/
 
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I'm thinking of a Royer Ribbon Mic...
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/R121
 
My budget is flexible. I'm choosing a mic over a lunch box because I feel I'm still weak in the Mic dept. I love my MXL R77. Really, I'm flexible though. I'm seeking input. I have preamps to handle 16 inputs and exactly 16 mics. I don't have that many stands though. And usually the bands have some mics.
 
The Royer R121 Live has a 4 micron ribbon and the studio has a 2.5. The MXL has a 1.8 micron ribbon.
 
I like the idea of a Ribbon that I can use on a stage, but I worry about wind etc. Should I?
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Re: Mic Shopping 2016/10/18 23:33:41 (permalink)
For about $320 this can be found.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fnq0JrOvfUo

I would use this as my one and only deserted island microphone forever.

It's a CAD Equitek. Not the CAD you mentioned.

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Re: Mic Shopping 2016/10/19 08:20:48 (permalink)
Thanks lawajava. I spent some time checking them out. Seems like they are Mics that are worthy.

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I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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Re: Mic Shopping 2016/10/19 11:14:27 (permalink)
THE SHURE KSM44
 
is an awesome mic,
and multiple patterns give it multiple personality.
 
but not cheap.
 
the audio technica 4033 is another awesome mic,
closer to the wallet

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Re: Mic Shopping 2016/10/19 14:08:44 (permalink)
Batsbrew, do you ever use Ribbons?
 
I will say I have a hole in the nice Dynamic Mic area of my kit. For live work, it would be a nice to have, but I don't do a lot of live performing personally, so I hesitate. When recording performers, I usually like to capture the mic they use most.

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I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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Re: Mic Shopping 2016/10/19 16:43:23 (permalink)
i HAVE used ribbons, yes....
and i like them on certain sources...
 
but i don't own one right now.
 
i need to pick up something like a fathead.....
 

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Re: Mic Shopping 2016/10/19 21:40:05 (permalink)
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Batsbrew, do you ever use Ribbons?
 
I will say I have a hole in the nice Dynamic Mic area of my kit. For live work, it would be a nice to have, but I don't do a lot of live performing personally, so I hesitate. When recording performers, I usually like to capture the mic they use most.


If dynamics are a weak area, then it would seem that you would want to fill it.  Sometimes, even in the studio, they are the right mic for a given performer or instrument.

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Re: Mic Shopping 2016/10/20 06:47:43 (permalink)
The Sennheiser MD-421 is a sweet dynamic:
 
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/MD421/
 

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Re: Mic Shopping 2016/10/20 09:24:24 (permalink)
That's a mighty impressive list already, Geoff. Nothing essential is really missing, so you're really just thinking about stepping up to the next level of quality, no?
 
If you're thinking about Royers, and you're concerned that your current ribbon is too delicate for transport, then you might want to take a look at Shure's ribbon mics. I haven't ever heard one, though. They're priced comparably to Royers but I gotta imagine that Shure would not make an overly-fragile microphone of any type.
 
If you're looking specifically for a ribbon for vocals, I'm a big fan of AEA. They're also pricey, but different from your average ribbon mic. For one thing, they make a stereo microphone, the only stereo ribbon I'm aware of. They have some very nice mics that are more affordable than the Royers or Shures, used mostly for miking guitar cabinets but a friend reports than an R92 works great for vocals.
 
But it's AEA's flagship product that's far and away my favorite microphone of all time, and would be at the very top of my shopping list if I won the lottery.
 
That's a reproduction of the classic RCA model 44. Real vintage 44s are almost impossible to get and cost as much as a Lexus. Heavyweights such as Barbara Streisand have their own that they take to the studios. Mortals can get AEA's reproductions. Still pricey, though: $2500 for the exact replica, or $5000 for the active version. The active version has a built-in preamp so you can plug it into any old interface/preamp and won't need a special amplifier. The passive version is half the price but requires an expensive (~$1500) preamp.
 
For stage use, Neumann does make a handheld condenser that's quite nice but prone to sibilance due to its extended highs. I see them being used a lot on live television, e.g. American Idol and the CMAs. Those go for about $700. I wouldn't buy one for my own voice, which benefits from the frequency response of ribbons and dynamics over condensers. But I'll bet they'd be great for things like acoustic guitar or drum overheads and female vocals.
 
One thing that's not on your list is a high-end large-diaphragm condenser. For that category, the Shure KSM-44 is a great value. Rugged, crystal-clear, extremely low noise and around $1000. Same price as the superb Mojave Audio (David Royer's other company) MA-200, but far more flexible. For a less-expensive vocal condenser, Mojave Audio's MA-201FET is really good and goes for around $600, but like the MA-200 it's cardiod-only.
 
For maximum flexibility, for a microphone that can take on literally any job, I don't think anything beats the old standby AKG C414. It's a LDC but smaller than most so it fits into tighter spaces. IIRC it has 5 polar patterns. A great mic that was going for $1200 last time I checked. You can literally use it for anything.


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Re: Mic Shopping 2016/10/20 11:18:38 (permalink)
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The Sennheiser MD-421 is a sweet dynamic:
 
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/MD421/
 


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Re: Mic Shopping 2016/10/21 23:02:34 (permalink)
Yes it is. It was my vocal mic for many years, back in the day. I only got rid of it for the dumbest reason imaginable: I didn't like its looks. I went to sleek-looking AKGs for the next 20 years. Today, I don't give a flying fleck about appearance. Nowadays I slobber into a good ol' SM58.


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Re: Mic Shopping 2016/10/22 10:36:47 (permalink)
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 Nowadays I slobber into a good ol' SM58.


Pop filter. There, I said it.
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Re: Mic Shopping 2016/10/22 10:38:49 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby gswitz 2016/10/22 15:51:23
I love my AEA R84.
 
Not sure I'm worthy of a 44.
 
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Re: Mic Shopping 2016/10/22 15:50:33 (permalink)
I found a AKG C414 XLS for $715 (Amazon) and ordered it.
 
I did offer a fairly local vendor of mics the opportunity match, but they said no.
 
I always struggle with that.

StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen.
I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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Re: Mic Shopping 2016/10/22 15:54:10 (permalink)
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I found a AKG C414 XLS for $715 (Amazon) and ordered it.
 
I did offer a fairly local vendor of mics the opportunity match, but they said no.
 
I always struggle with that.


I paid $700 for mine over 25 years ago. Still going strong.
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Re: Mic Shopping 2016/10/22 15:54:58 (permalink)
I actully had 2 for about 5 years but I ultimately sold one for about $500 IIRC.
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Re: Mic Shopping 2016/10/22 15:58:13 (permalink)
It's a struggle having to pick just one mic to get. I am reminding myself this is my next mic, not my last mic.

StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen.
I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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Re: Mic Shopping 2016/10/23 04:43:41 (permalink)
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gswitz
I found a AKG C414 XLS for $715 (Amazon) and ordered it.
 
I did offer a fairly local vendor of mics the opportunity match, but they said no.
 
I always struggle with that.


I paid $700 for mine over 25 years ago. Still going strong.




lucky you. mine has given me more troubles than any other mic. been back in the shop for repair twice already.

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Re: Mic Shopping 2016/10/23 10:49:27 (permalink)
@Rob
What went wrong with it?
How was it repaired?
You say 'already'. How long have you owned it?
Did the repairs cost you? Was support helpful?

StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen.
I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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Re: Mic Shopping 2016/10/23 19:03:25 (permalink)
I always am thinking about the gaps in my "locker" and what needs to be filled.  It usually comes down to what will benefit any upcoming jobs vs what I am willing to spend.  I own all condensers which include several high end small diaphragm mics of various patterns models and a couple nice large diaphragm mics which I find less useful in my type of recording. I have a couple dynamics which I never bother to use except for live sound reinforcement.  My next purchase would have to be a couple ribbon mics since they are as useful as condensers, have great off axis rejection if needed, and usually sound wonderful on just about anything.  I was looking at a couple AEA N8's since they have a similar sound to the R88 which is great for ensemble miking, they are durable for location recording, and they are active, which means I'll have less worries about amplifying them.  
 
That is just me.  I would just suggest you figure out what you immediately need.  If you don't need anything immediately, don't buy anything, save up, and get something better when you do need it.  
 
I agree a good LDC is a must for any studio use.  KSM44, C414, Neumann TLM107 are all wonderful mics at any price and are still budget friendly.  

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Re: Mic Shopping 2016/10/23 22:50:28 (permalink)
Because I record lots of friends and strangers, I don't always know what I may need.

You are probably right. I should have waited for a specific need.

I have made few purchases I have had second thoughts about. In 1995, I bought a Fender blues deville. It has four ten inch speakers. I love it, but it is a little heavy.

I remember when I bought it, I was considering a matchless amp. I wonder what if I had bought that one?

I still use all my Mics often. I don't have so many that any are retired.

I'm looking forward the this new one.
post edited by gswitz - 2016/10/25 22:12:43

StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen.
I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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Re: Mic Shopping 2016/10/24 01:41:46 (permalink)
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@Rob
What went wrong with it?
How was it repaired?
You say 'already'. How long have you owned it?
Did the repairs cost you? Was support helpful?




I bought the AKG C414 XLS from an online shop in the UK back in late 2013. On the 2nd day of use it developed a massive noise problem. When returned to the dealer it was supposedly replaced. Over the next year the microphone did not see much use (2-3 recording sessions) and was always stored in the studio (basically constant conditions) and handled with great care, but all the sudden the noise problem was back. So again back to the dealer in the UK, wait for 2 months until it is repaired by AKG (supposedly???) and when returned, it’s again not functional when trying to use for the first time (only noise but no sound signal) ... this time I contacted AKG directly because I suspected the mic to be non-unique/some clone ... AKG was super-helpful, said the mic is AKG but never registered a repair in their database, so they fixed it, but a year later it sounded like strong breeze at the seaside again, back again to AKG for repair ... both repairs were covered by some sort of warranty, so they didn't cost me, but the mic hasn't seen much use as it broke twice in the middle of larger recording sessions and hasn't regained my trust since ...

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Re: Mic Shopping 2016/10/24 16:51:25 (permalink)
Yikes! Gosh, I hope that isn't in my future. I don't have the budget to leave that much behind!

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I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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Re: Mic Shopping 2016/10/24 23:20:53 (permalink)
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For about $320 this can be found.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fnq0JrOvfUo

I would use this as my one and only deserted island microphone forever.

It's a CAD Equitek. Not the CAD you mentioned.



 
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Re: Mic Shopping 2016/10/25 02:57:39 (permalink)
SM7B vs Equitek e100S  Same price...great discussion... e100S is my fav mic for vocals, guitar... almost everything... quitest mic I've ever used and I got a zillion; gave most away (I'm insane but...ain't using them...  Haven't used anything but the US made equitek since purchasing...
 
another recent review/discussion In blind tests it "beat out the Neuman u87 mic @ $2700" I AGREE  with this guy totally...
 
e100S... u will luv it.  3.7Db noise... lowest in it's class...  wonderful floating system

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Re: Mic Shopping 2016/10/25 22:01:01 (permalink)
http://stabilitynetwork.blob.core.windows.net/g-tunes/20161025_Geoff_BeWithMe.mp3

First tape with the new Mic. It arrived today.

StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen.
I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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Re: Mic Shopping 2016/10/30 22:11:01 (permalink)
http://stabilitynetwork.blob.core.windows.net/g-tunes/20161030_Harlan_02.mp3
 
This is a much better example of the new AKG C414. I recorded with the AKG front and center with 2 KM184s mixed at 30% for ambiance. 3 tracks per take.

StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen.
I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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Re: Mic Shopping 2016/10/30 22:24:54 (permalink)
That's all room ambiance? No reverb? Sounds great!


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Re: Mic Shopping 2016/10/31 04:42:49 (permalink)
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That's all room ambiance? No reverb? Sounds great!




that sounds really good :-) but I bet it's not just room ambience, there are some good IRs involved

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Re: Mic Shopping 2016/10/31 05:40:43 (permalink)
After selling my studio and downsizing to pretty much nothing I did keep a couple decent all around mics but the one I couldn't part with was my earthworks, I have had it for a damn long time and just couldn't let it go. Still haven't run across one like it and it is a sweety.
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