BeachBum
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Mic a Bass Amp
I got out of recording about 1996. I just updated to new Sonar Platinum. How do I get an real guitar and bass into the pc/sonar? Do I just buy a Shure SM58 with a USB plug and plug it into the pc, or should I go through a couple other machines before entering the computer? Thanks for your help. Jim
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konradh
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Re: Mic a Bass Amp
2017/08/06 23:53:11
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There are USB mics and that would be an economical and simple solution. I think the majority of us have some kind of audio interface we plug mics into. (For example, I use a Roland VS-700 but also have a MOTU.) You can get simple but high-quality audio interfaces for under $200 and it would be a very wise investment so you can use any mic you want. Here's a well-reviewed interface for under $150.00. https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/Scarlet2i2G2?product_id=Scarlet2i2G2&campaigntype=shopping&campaign=aaShopping%2520-%2520Core&adgroup=Computer%2520Audio%2520-%2520Audio%2520Interfaces%2520-%2520Focusrite&placement=google&adpos=1o1&creative=93365752201&device=c&matchtype=&network=g&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIgJfcqObD1QIVSFx-Ch1fVQIREAQYASABEgIm__D_BwE For the record, I have an ElectroVoice RE20 mic that is great on almost anything: vocal, bass amp, kick drum, guitar amp, etc. but you don't need to spend that much ($449) unless you just need a solid all-around dynamic mic. If you get one, be sure to check the position of the bass roll-off switch if you are not recording kick or bass. That said, tons of hit records have been made with the Shure SM57 or SM58. If you have an audio interface, you can plug the bass in directly and use it like that, or run it though a plug in like Guitar Rig to get an amp sound. In fact, even when I mic a bass amp, I split the signal and get a direct input as well so I have options later in case I decide the amp is noisy or doesn't fit in the mix.. I would say that 75% of the records I've made with a live bass player used direct input bass rather than an amp into a mic. Sorry for the long answer--there are just a lot of options.
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Re: Mic a Bass Amp
2017/08/07 04:48:56
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Getting an audio interface is your best bet. A 57/58 will do for the guitar cab. For bass go DI or use a large diaphragm mic like an AKG D112. I mostly DI bass and guitars nowadays, then put them through an amp sim, but I must admit that is partly through laziness, but unless you have an amp/cab that is a major part of the sound you are trying to capture, you will often get better results from a sim. and with a sim. you are always free to change your mind later on.
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Re: Mic a Bass Amp
2017/08/07 04:50:51
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A better option would be to get a proper USB audio/MIDI interface as konradh says.
Most USB mics aren't outstanding - I don't think the SM57 or 58 is even available in a USB configuration. And if you get a USB mic now then get an audio interface later you won't be able to use both at the same time in an optimal configuration either.
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Sanderxpander
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Re: Mic a Bass Amp
2017/08/07 08:25:40
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Please don't get a USB mic, quality is usually sub par and you can't get low latency monitoring.
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Re: Mic a Bass Amp
2017/08/07 10:45:33
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Every time someone uses a USB microphone, A part of me dies. A small investment must be made. A soundcard. I know its tough because we spend a good amount of money on software and think we are ready to go, but the soundcard is (in my opinion) the most important thing next to the software itself. I have been pondering Mic'ing a bass amp for sound reinforcement. I've been going direct inject for a few years now and im looking to expand my horizons. But for most applications, going direct in to your soundcards pre amp will be more than enough.
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John T
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Re: Mic a Bass Amp
2017/08/07 12:50:06
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Agree with Chuck about USB mics. What you're buying there is a mic with an extremely tiny and cheap and nasty soundcard shoved into the assembly somewhere, incorporating a cheap and nasty analogue-to-digital converter, and generally being cheap and nasty overall. Only not actually that cheap to buy! Then, at some point in the future, when you want to record more than one mic at a time, it's useless, you'd have add a second soundcard one way or another, which is either difiicult or impossible depending on various factors. An SM58/57 will, on the other hand, last forever if you take reasonable care of it, and sound great on most sources. Get one of those and a decent quality interface.
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meh
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Re: Mic a Bass Amp
2017/08/07 13:13:49
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audio interface is a must. I've have been using Sennheiser e906's for instruments and love them. Clean, good rejection and inexpensive. rafone
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Re: Mic a Bass Amp
2017/08/07 14:24:50
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Ive heard good things about the e906. Im a SM57 guy myself but that e906 has great response and I would love to use both in guitar cab Micing.
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Re: Mic a Bass Amp
2017/08/07 19:10:56
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"Every time someone uses a USB microphone, A part of me dies" Chuckie Agreed completely. SM 57 is a go to on a guitar cab. A Sennheiser 421 microphone also works well on guitar amps and is low cost. With Bass - I either go direct or use a large diaphragm condenser. That requires a pre and phantom power. I would never use a USB mic on something I cared about, other than maybe a podcast.
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BeachBum
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Re: Mic a Bass Amp
2017/08/07 19:47:00
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Soundcard...for what? ...a good USB input from the Focusrite/MOTU audio interface? Or a direct stereo in.
What soundcard you talking? Got a link to one?
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BeachBum
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Re: Mic a Bass Amp
2017/08/07 19:48:37
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...LOL! Got it! No USB mics!
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Sanderxpander
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Re: Mic a Bass Amp
2017/08/07 19:56:29
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BeachBum Soundcard...for what? ...a good USB input from the Focusrite/MOTU audio interface? Or a direct stereo in.
What soundcard you talking? Got a link to one?
Soundcard is another name for interface. Focusrite and MOTU both make them. I would probably rank Focusrite a tier below MOTU (except perhaps for preamps) but they make some really popular and well performing low cost interfaces. Depends a little on your needs. The amount of in/outputs, the low latency performance, driver stability and comprehensive mixing features or fx all impact the price. Decent options with low input count start around the 150/200 dollar mark so it's a question of budget versus needs.
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Jim Roseberry
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Re: Mic a Bass Amp
2017/08/08 12:38:06
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If you'll be recording bass and guitar, have a look at the Shure SM7b, Sennheiser MD421 mkII, and EV RE20. Some of the other "guitar" oriented mics won't capture a lot of bottom end (ie: SM57)
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Jim Roseberry
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Re: Mic a Bass Amp
2017/08/08 12:39:43
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As has been mentioned, avoid USB mics like the plague... If you were just recording voice pod-casts, then it would be ok. For multi-track recording, far from ideal.
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