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Microsoft Securtiy Essentials
I thought I'd post this here due to the volume of traffic. My non-DAW pc has been a bit sluggish recently, so I scanned it on Saturday with MSE and it came up with nothing, no threats of any kind. Tonight I've just run Malawarbytes and it detected 111 threats. I've removed them and my machine is running like a dream. So be warned - MSE isn't picking up common adware threats and possibly other nasties.
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Re: Microsoft Securtiy Essentials
2013/12/11 16:46:32
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No virus scanner is perfect, but whatever you do don't use two of them (they will conflict with each other). ZoneAlarm extreme works for me (not free). AVG is OK as well. Still like security essentials I wouldn't taint it as other virus scanners have massive faults as well. IMHO if you don't pay you get what you are given, however I've yet to see a virus scanner that does a perfect job paid or unpaid. Trend Micro perhaps...
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Re: Microsoft Securtiy Essentials
2013/12/11 16:50:40
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I concur that none get all, and that running multiple ones can cause lots of trauma. I happen to run the free one from Avast. It does a good job, has a small footprint, and allows temporary suspension, if one needs to stop it for a bit while doing something like a Sonar download or a Sonar installation. Bob Bone
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Re: Microsoft Securtiy Essentials
2013/12/11 16:52:15
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And what about "Microsoft Safety Scanner" (that you have to download, and expires after 10 days) ?
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Re: Microsoft Securtiy Essentials
2013/12/11 16:56:26
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Thanks for that. never heard of it. That clearly is a scanner to use if you think you already have a problem, not a long term preventative solution.
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Re: Microsoft Securtiy Essentials
2013/12/11 16:58:34
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If you don't do a 'Detailed' scan with MSE it can miss items. For me the difference in time is substantial, say 15 minutes for the 'quick' scan and 12 hours for the 'detailed' one. If any problems are detected I will then run MalwareBytes and it may pick up a couple of items. My attitude is an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of care so I am obsessive about where I go and once I am someplace what I click on. Any site I might end up on that is at all dodgy is a shutdown and full scan...immediately Regards,
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Re: Microsoft Securtiy Essentials
2013/12/11 17:01:27
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I tend to run MSE to keep out the riff-raff and run malwarebytes about once a month to grab anything MSE may have missed. What I have found to be more useful than either is two browser add-ons that do a great job of preventing most of these things from grabbing a foothold to begin with: https://www.mywot.com/ This add-on warns of unsafe sites. Occasionally it gives a false positive, but it does an overall job of at least making you think about clicking on that weird tinyurl that ends up being a nasty link http://noscript.net/ takes the approach of blocking just about every script and leaving it up to you to allow it. It has some pre-installed whitelist sites, but it does make being surprised by script based sites that install junk in the background a lot harder to even get started, let alone take root. The only downside I have seen is that it occasionally works too well and I have to figure out how to play a video i actually want to see. This typically only occurs on sites that have a ridiculous amount of third party scripts embedded on the page. When i realize that I have to allow 20 different scripts to run just to watch one video, that is usually a sign that maybe I don't need to see that video.
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Re: Microsoft Securtiy Essentials
2013/12/11 17:02:16
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Yes, but i use it from time to time, as a supplement to MSE (whom I should maybe change for Avast for better results - ?!), as it seems for complete and up to date. [about Microsoft Safety Scanner]
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Re: Microsoft Securtiy Essentials
2013/12/11 17:04:33
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Microsoft Security Essentials (or Windows Defender in Windows 8, they keep changing the name) has one of the lowest detection rates you'll find, about 90%, because they don't want to have false positives. They do well in that regard, they are pretty much 0 false positive all the time, but it is a tradeoff in detection. Good for regular users though since many non-technical people get pissed at false positives. If you are willing to spend money, I recommend ESET NOD32. It's detection rate is good, and it is quite fast. You can also set it to exclude extensions like WAV, NKI, NKM, etc to it doesn't mess with audio software. For the highest detection rates, look at Kaspersky. Still not 100%, but tends to be the highest out there. Trend Micro also tends to be good but is really slow.
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Re: Microsoft Securtiy Essentials
2013/12/11 17:09:03
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Re: Microsoft Securtiy Essentials
2013/12/11 17:09:49
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☄ Helpfulby John T 2013/12/11 21:31:13
Sycraft Microsoft Security Essentials (or Windows Defender in Windows 8, they keep changing the name) has one of the lowest detection rates you'll find, about 90%, because they don't want to have false positives. They do well in that regard, they are pretty much 0 false positive all the time, but it is a tradeoff in detection. Good for regular users though since many non-technical people get pissed at false positives. If you are willing to spend money, I recommend ESET NOD32. It's detection rate is good, and it is quite fast. You can also set it to exclude extensions like WAV, NKI, NKM, etc to it doesn't mess with audio software. For the highest detection rates, look at Kaspersky. Still not 100%, but tends to be the highest out there. Trend Micro also tends to be good but is really slow.
Not disputing your post because I have seen tests showing that Kaspersky has the highest detection rates, but I sometimes wonder about the methodology of these tests. I have had to clean many a friend/relative/neighbor computer who chose kapersky based on reading about how good it is. Based on wha tthe malware ended up being, it lead me to the conclusion that no program can protect people from themselves. i think these tests base their results on how saavy anti-virus software engineers would surf the web and not how the average joe does.
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Re: Microsoft Securtiy Essentials
2013/12/11 17:25:31
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Well let me eat my words, ZoneAlarm still uses Kasperspy. So I am still running Kasperspy engine... backpeddle.... OK it's great!!! ;) > but I sometimes wonder about the methodology of these tests. The debate would be 100 times more lengthy than 64 bit precision engine.
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Re: Microsoft Securtiy Essentials
2013/12/11 17:59:15
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I refuse to get in 64 bit precision egine debates because I still don't know wtf that really means
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Re: Microsoft Securtiy Essentials
2013/12/11 18:10:36
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Colin, did you look to see what kinds of threats those 111 hits were? Most likely they were tracking cookies and other mostly innocuous things, and probably not things that were contributing to your slowness. The real culprit's more likely to be some legitimate process, perhaps even antivirus or firewall software, or Windows Automatic Updates. Windows itself is, after all, the most pernicious of viruses.
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Re: Microsoft Securtiy Essentials
2013/12/11 18:45:45
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Nothing can protect users from everything. Virus scanners are just a backup to good security practices, not a panacea that allows users to do what they want. However, some are better with detection rates than others. They are more aggressive in their detection methods, they update more often, etc. MSE is pretty low comparatively, given that they don't update all that aggressively and want to never have false positives. So you can get better protection with a different scanner. Still not 100% though. Nothing is 100%. Security is vigilance and defense in depth, not a single program.
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Re: Microsoft Securtiy Essentials
2013/12/11 18:56:36
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Sycraft MSE is pretty low comparatively, given that they don't update all that aggressively and want to never have false positives.
Maybe that is why Microsoft offers also Microsoft Safety Scanner, as a complement to MSE ?
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Re: Microsoft Securtiy Essentials
2013/12/11 18:58:58
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I usually read reviews on the top 5-10 anti-virus/Internet Security solutions and jump ship often. The point being is that each year, they're all competing and some shoot out from the rest as being on top. This year, I'm subscribed to Bit-Defender, which I find quite easy to use, and seems to protect my PC quite well. Sometimes, the ones I avoid are the ones that were acquired, such as Norton (Symantec), Trend-Micro (Cisco), and others that just are dated. Many times, the new-comers are more innovative and seem to avoid time-costing change-management for patches, etc. and hire more inventive and energetic talent so they can more quickly respond to threats and without as much red-tape. Sometimes the under-dog is better. Sometimes the bigger ship simply floats over small seeds that grow into bad problems, and are slow to respond. Sure, the smaller companies are less likely to be responsible, but they do want to take over. They aim to do just that, because they know where the larger ant-virus companies fail.
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Re: Microsoft Securtiy Essentials
2013/12/11 19:14:15
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Re: Microsoft Securtiy Essentials
2013/12/11 19:19:59
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If you want to keep yourself covered with more than one antivirus program, why not pick one to do the realtime protection and use the others for periodical scans?
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Re: Microsoft Securtiy Essentials
2013/12/11 19:21:59
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> why not pick one to do the realtime protection and use the others for periodical scans? I wouldn't recommend this... See #2. I guess you could get into complicating disabling and re-enabling etc but I don't see the point, and a lot of virus scanner often continue running even though they indicate they are disabled.
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Re: Microsoft Securtiy Essentials
2013/12/11 20:24:38
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Just goes to show - I use MSE as well and I just ran a scan using Malwarebytes - result? 0 detections....mind you I do use an app in my browser (Chrome) called DoNotTtrackMe which blocks quite a bit..in fact it is registering 3 sites trying to track me while I am writing this on the forum... Point is that all the apps for these purposes can all miss stuff - even the same app! Careful and very cautious "webb'ing" is the only tried and tested way of avoiding these things imo.
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Re: Microsoft Securtiy Essentials
2013/12/11 21:06:30
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Bob Bone - I've been using Avast with I think pretty acceptable results so far. No speed reduction noticeable if it's on or off.
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Re: Microsoft Securtiy Essentials
2013/12/11 21:14:07
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I'm using MSE and MalwareBytes Pro and I'm not having any problems. The MalwareBytes Pro detects incoming stuff once in a while and gives me a little pop up notice. I usually run a scan once in a great while but rarely find much. So the combination of the two seems to work okay for me. Neither one interferes with my other software and I haven't had any virus issues for years now.
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Re: Microsoft Securtiy Essentials
2013/12/11 21:24:53
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brconflict I usually read reviews on the top 5-10 anti-virus/Internet Security solutions and jump ship often. The point being is that each year, they're all competing and some shoot out from the rest as being on top. This year, I'm subscribed to Bit-Defender, which I find quite easy to use, and seems to protect my PC quite well. Sometimes, the ones I avoid are the ones that were acquired, such as Norton (Symantec), Trend-Micro (Cisco), and others that just are dated. Many times, the new-comers are more innovative and seem to avoid time-costing change-management for patches, etc. and hire more inventive and energetic talent so they can more quickly respond to threats and without as much red-tape. Sometimes the under-dog is better. Sometimes the bigger ship simply floats over small seeds that grow into bad problems, and are slow to respond. Sure, the smaller companies are less likely to be responsible, but they do want to take over. They aim to do just that, because they know where the larger ant-virus companies fail.
I try to avoid the ones where the owner of the company is on the run for murdering his neighbor over a dog's barking. (seems like their ability to focus may be impacted a wee tiny bit) Bob Bone
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Re: Microsoft Securtiy Essentials
2013/12/11 21:28:09
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Re: Microsoft Securtiy Essentials
2013/12/11 21:51:44
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You got me, Alex - I didn't look at the link. :) Bob Bone
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Re: Microsoft Securtiy Essentials
2013/12/11 22:04:50
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To be honest, I really hate anti-virus almost as much as having my computer infested! I just use Windows Defender and protect myself from foreign media, suspicious sites etc. If my computer becomes infested (just a couple of times in more than 10 years because I wasn't careful enough) I would then be motivated to pay and /or invest time on disinfecting it. At the end of the day our DAW are not for web surfing after all (even if it is just as a hobby like in my case).
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Re: Microsoft Securtiy Essentials
2013/12/11 22:08:46
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For my DAW, under windows 8.1, I use the included Defender. Same for my office computer. Savvy users are usually fairly safe with this. Less savvy ones need to be protected from themselves with something a bit more aggressive plus need some amount of training about what not to click. We prefer ESET NOD for our business customers - especially where central monitoring is needed. McAfee and Symantec tend to be bloated and over-zealous. We have actually setup virtual machines with Windows XP and Internet Explorer 8 and then literally performed tons of searches and clicked on everything - win free ipods, get help from a cartoon ape ads, etc :). We weren't able to infect the systems. Yet, we see people every week with all sorts of "fake AV" type scare-ware infections, FBI viruses, etc. As an aside, backups are super important these days with some of the nasty stuff that's going around, like the much reported Cryptolocker. If you get this one and don't have a data backup, you're kinda screwed. If you want a good third-party look at the whole lot of most popular packages out there, you can find one here with some great reports. Based on this, you can see that it's about a separation of about 6% or so between the low end (the out of the box MSE/Defender) and the best option. Here's the link - it's worth a look: http://chart.av-comparatives.org/chart1.php (this is the "real-world" test result - it's a dynamic report/chart). Hope the helps.
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Re: Microsoft Securtiy Essentials
2013/12/11 22:09:32
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CakeAlexS But hey, enough about what I think, here is a message from John McAfee: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKgf5PaBzyg
LOL, this video is a riot... could easily replace him reading the letter from a computer graphics designer to a SONAR user!
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mettelus
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Re: Microsoft Securtiy Essentials
2013/12/11 22:16:33
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Blades As an aside, backups are super important these days with some of the nasty stuff that's going around, like the much reported Cryptolocker. If you get this one and don't have a data backup, you're kinda screwed.
+1... also you want backup drives not connected to the machine unless backing things up... that one supposedly will encrypt any connected device it can get to.
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