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2015/08/05 23:50:51 (permalink)

Microsoft is killing me! Win 10 rant

Well, not so much killing me, more like driving me nuts.
 
I had a glimpse of Win 10 the other day. When I use it, It's like taking my phone, Office 13, a game console and social networking apps and dumping them into a blender for a Micro-Smoothie. I hate Office 13 and those ribbon menu's. It figures that it's the interface all over Win 10. I could never tell for sure if I was working on my pc in isolation or doing cloud stuff. It's so much more than as OS for computers. They want to blur the lines on the various aspects of my life.
 
Little share icons all over the place, what's that about? People come to visit and the computer asks if I want to let them use the wi-fi. THere's even a way to do it automatically. I'm more of a Shrek type.
 
Is there anything really good in the OS that makes it an intelligent upgrade? More importantly is there a way to make it look less complicated without adding overhead by way of an emulator? I'd like to completely remove all social networking components and tighten the wi-fi access.
 
That's not including the lack of drivers for my peripherals. Whole other story.

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Re: Microsoft is killing me! Win 10 rant 2015/08/05 23:59:50 (permalink)


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Re: Microsoft is killing me! Win 10 rant 2015/08/06 00:05:17 (permalink)
You just turn off the WiFi sharing thing if you don't like it (I did). It is just a setting you can change. As for the share stuff, I haven't really noticed any of that, what are you talking about in particular? Maybe you get more if you use a Microsoft account, but you can just use a local one.
 
I haven't used it all that extensively, since it is on my laptop only at this point, but I haven't had any annoying issues thus far.
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Re: Microsoft is killing me! Win 10 rant 2015/08/06 01:15:17 (permalink)
Windows 10 has the stink of an old Carny. It seemed like I was being asked for a MS account before I could actually explore a feature I was curious about. That's what I meant when I said that it was hard to tell when you were on the net, and when you were off. SO I was asked for an Xbox account when I thought I was opening a folder with games on my local machine.
 
I really don't worry too much about the privacy issues. What I don't like is the actual interface on open windows. It looks like it was grafted on from Office 13. I own Office 13 with Outlook and now there's a different Outlook with the same look and feel as the Office version. The new one kept pestering me for a MS account and I couldn't proceed without it. The Office version didn't want to talk to the Win version.
 
Things like that really enforce my analogy. Win 7 >> Win 10  =  Sonar 8.5.3 >> Sonar 2015
 
It will take a couple years for me to stop talking about the good ol' days based on past experience. 

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Re: Microsoft is killing me! Win 10 rant 2015/08/06 01:16:11 (permalink)
Ampfixer,
You are not wrong about the blurred lines, I think most of the new features will be superfluous to most Sonar users.  Several of us have posted previously in the following forum about what should be turned off if you want to maintain your sanity:  http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3266424  My suggestion is to turn off everything, Microsoft can no longer be trusted to err on the conservative side.
 
I have installed Win 10 on my netbook in order to get familiar with it but am sticking with Win 7 for my computer with Sonar.  My plan is to upgrade to 10 once the dust has settled a bit and we can clearly see what we are buying into with the "New Microsoft".  ~6 months should do it.
 
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Re: Microsoft is killing me! Win 10 rant 2015/08/06 02:39:48 (permalink)
I avoided the MS Account and all that sharing stuff.
On my laptop I made a special user with a MS Account, but I have yet to try it out.
Maybe it's age-related and I'm an old fogey, but all that stuff just does not interest me at all.
 

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Re: Microsoft is killing me! Win 10 rant 2015/08/06 02:58:44 (permalink)
While I found Windows 10 to work well enough, apart from Edge not getting along with this forum and continually crashing/reloading if I edited my post and tried to get my cursor back to where I was, or double clicked in the text box, I absolutely hated looking at it, it was hideous, and I could find no way to make it acceptable.
 
It reminds me of back in the days when I was heavily into gaming, and around the time that gaming consoles started appearing and becoming more popular. First off the PC was king of gaming, far more powerful, far more configurable. Gaming developers would work on the PC version, then the console version, they were pretty much kept separate, PC games were ported over to consoles. Then as time went on things started to merge, and compromises began to be made to the PC versions as to accommodate the limitations of the consoles, things began to be dumbed down. Then one day you woke up and the PC was receiving ports of console games, like the consoles were more important and the PC an after thought, and dev's seemed more interested in the console market, and the thing that made the PC such a great gaming platform was forgotten about as to accommodate for the limitations of the consoles, things were dumbed down to the detriment of PC gaming, and then we have what we have today. I do understand the reasons, if the size of the market dictates it, but that doesn't make it better.
 
This is very much what Windows 10 felt like to me, dumbed down to accommodate compatibility with tablets, mobile phones etc. I won't be moving from Windows 7 until I am forced to by software and/or hardware requirements.
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Re: Microsoft is killing me! Win 10 rant 2015/08/06 13:16:15 (permalink)
Jeff, after the win 10 update, is your Delta 1010 working ok? Thanks.

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Re: Microsoft is killing me! Win 10 rant 2015/08/06 13:38:42 (permalink)
I fail to see how win 10 is a dumbed down win 7
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Re: Microsoft is killing me! Win 10 rant 2015/08/06 14:35:35 (permalink)
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I fail to see how win 10 is a dumbed down win 7



You have to take some additional steps that you didn't before.  I realized there is no create shortcut to desktop. You now have to drag and drop from that big piece of real estate they call a start menu.
 
Unfortunately too many things are dumbed down for the cell phone generation.  Look at Edge. Chrome is just as bad. I like those menus on my browser.
 
While DAW developers are making portable apps hopefully the don't do the same gui for desktop/phones because I will revert to using older software.

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Re: Microsoft is killing me! Win 10 rant 2015/08/06 16:42:41 (permalink)
I've really liked 10 so far besides some of the compatibility issues with my audio stuff because "Pro"Audio companies seem to move at the speed of snail. Everything else has been pretty brilliant apart from the obvious privacy issues... though Google and Facebook are 10x worse.
 
I am also a big fan of the Office setup now. The ribbon bar took some getting use to but holy hell is it fast now and very well designed. 2016 has made a lot of good changes as well and that should go public soonish.
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Re: Microsoft is killing me! Win 10 rant 2015/08/06 16:43:01 (permalink)
kitekrazy1
While DAW developers are making portable apps hopefully the don't do the same gui for desktop/phones because I will revert to using older software.


A big point of Windows 10 and Visual Studio 2015 (MS developer tools released alongside) is to 'easily develop' on all platforms so expect similar GUI's in future. I haven't run windows 10 on cellphone so have no idea what it would be like.

Cheers
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Re: Microsoft is killing me! Win 10 rant 2015/08/06 16:48:54 (permalink)
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I fail to see how win 10 is a dumbed down win 7



You have to take some additional steps that you didn't before.  I realized there is no create shortcut to desktop. You now have to drag and drop from that big piece of real estate they call a start menu.
 


Right Click desktop>New>Shortcut ... same as it ever was.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XU3qfDtWFmk 


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Re: Microsoft is killing me! Win 10 rant 2015/08/07 11:05:53 (permalink)
I haven't even installed it yet and already Windows 10 is annoying me. This morning I got a popup window exhorting me to upgrade NOW!!! I closed it and a few minutes later it popped up again. I'm sure it's not going to be a problem killing it, but it's still an annoyance.
 
I'm hearing so many negatives, but so far not one compelling reason to upgrade. As a developer, I have an obligation to assure compatibility between Win10 and my own software. So I'll be upgrading a non-essential laptop for that reason alone.
 
At this time, I can list only two notable Windows 10 attributes: a) it boots faster and b) it's not Windows 8. Since I only reboot twice a month, it's therefore mainly about retiring 8.1.


All else is in doubt, so this is the truth I cling to. 

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Re: Microsoft is killing me! Win 10 rant 2015/08/07 15:34:45 (permalink)
Since the A-Pro driver was released a day ago, I figured I would give 10 another try last night. It was bad.
 
Although nothing got cobbled, I lost my Office 2013 apps and couldn't find them. The directory they used to be in Was Office 2013 and it was gone. Instead I found a directory called Office 2015 but they weren't there. Then I noticed a new directory called windows apps. No matter what I did, I couldn't get into that directory because I didn't have permission. The only things that had enough permission to look, were Microsoft programs. 
 
I thought I was real clever with this attempt and took the option of a custom install to turn of all the sharing and wi-fi nonsense. Was I surprised when I found that I still had to go in and shut it all down after the install. So I slithered back to Win 7 as fast as I could. The two main reasons I tried again is that the A-Pro driver was out AND windows has been nagging me non-stop to do the update and keeps reporting failed update attempts. I've also noticed that Win 7 updates are no longer appearing, just the Win 10 notice.
 
I really feel manipulated, as if MS is saying "you can delay this but you can't avoid this". Does you will be assimilated ring a bell?

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Re: Microsoft is killing me! Win 10 rant 2015/08/07 19:26:16 (permalink)
 I had a tablet with 8.1 on it and it was OK for touchscreen but not something I want for desktop with my 3D monitor. I'm duel booting Win 7 ultimate 64 bit and XP pro and plan to keep it that way. I haven't updated for a while and not yet getting the win 10 update notice and also, plan to keep it that way. By the sound of things, there is no option to give MS a firm "no thanks, I'll stick with what I have" so it looks like I have to be very selective on the updates I install.
I may put 10 on my lappy just to try it out but I won't even be an early adopter for that. As far as DAW and gaming PC's here, I'm saying no to the free upgrade.  

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Re: Microsoft is killing me! Win 10 rant 2015/08/07 19:44:09 (permalink)
Atsuko
Jeff, after the win 10 update, is your Delta 1010 working ok? Thanks.




I didn't install it on either of my PC's which have 1010's, but I would think it will not work, as there seemed to be not much joy with Windows 8 (I skipped it, didn't like it). I had been looking around for any success stories, as I'm not quite ready to part with with my beloved 1010's (I have 5), but have not yet come across anything one way or the other, but like I said my guess would be it's a no go.
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Re: Microsoft is killing me! Win 10 rant 2015/08/07 19:44:44 (permalink)
Every time it's the same with a new windows release. :) Very relaxing reading all this in my armchair on win8.1 I will upgrade and soon but only on a test partition I don't use to start off with. Slowly slowly...

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Re: Microsoft is killing me! Win 10 rant 2015/08/07 19:45:05 (permalink)
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I fail to see how win 10 is a dumbed down win 7



You fail to see (through my eye's)
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Re: Microsoft is killing me! Win 10 rant 2015/08/07 19:54:11 (permalink)
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I really feel manipulated, as if MS is saying "you can delay this but you can't avoid this". Does you will be assimilated ring a bell?




And the 'cost' of the 'free' upgrade is starting, the things that are 'missing' from Windows 10, it seems you will have to pay for, just the start ?
 
It feels like the PC is becoming one with tablets and mobile phones etc, app store and the inevitable compromises to make the one system compatible across platforms, and it is usually the most powerful platform which compromises the most, only time will tell.
 
 
 
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Re: Microsoft is killing me! Win 10 rant 2015/08/07 22:31:13 (permalink)
The "charging for features" **** is making a mountain out of a molehill. The DVD playback is nothing new. The reason is that Microsoft has to purchase a license for CSS decryption and related things for each copy of Windows it includes DVD playback support in. Since few people care about it anymore, they've discontinued including it, and now charge for an addon to cover it. You can, of course, get 3rd party playback utilities, this is only relevant to making Windows Media Player handle DVDs. This started with Windows 8, since DVDs have fallen in popularity on computers. Most people just stream video.
 
The solitare thing, silly but who cares? It is just a game and again, you can get 3rd party games of any kind instead.
 
The FUD that flies around with any new version of Windows always amazes me.
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Re: Microsoft is killing me! Win 10 rant 2015/08/07 22:48:49 (permalink)
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The solitare thing, silly but who cares? It is just a game and again, you can get 3rd party games of any kind instead.
 



 
Horah (for some) it's coming back...
www.theverge.com/2015/4/23/8477521/windows-10-solitaire-returns
 
All your apps will be available via metro and MS store but of course.
 BTW Solitaire, Minesweeper, etc. were not games, they were education tools so you could train yourself to use a mouse properly.. Mice are now soooo old hat now (apparently ).

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Re: Microsoft is killing me! Win 10 rant 2015/08/07 23:01:07 (permalink)
I read of several people who were diagnosed with various forms of cancer the very same day they installed Windows 10. Apparently the Surgeon General was informed about it, and subsequently all future versions of Windows 10 will be released with a Health Warning.
 
The FUD that flies around with any new version of Windows always amazes me.
 
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Re: Microsoft is killing me! Win 10 rant 2015/08/07 23:21:14 (permalink)
No risky humour allowed!!!
We must remain bland at all times, the internet might not be able to handle it :)
I am now reporting myself for an offensive comment..

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Re: Microsoft is killing me! Win 10 rant 2015/08/07 23:32:59 (permalink)
lol, how you have the audacity to say that is beyond me
 
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Re: Microsoft is killing me! Win 10 rant 2015/08/07 23:44:18 (permalink)
Indeed. It's just like watching ping pong professionally.

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Re: Microsoft is killing me! Win 10 rant 2015/08/08 00:44:12 (permalink)
Try playing solitaire with the net disconnected and tell me how it works.

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Re: Microsoft is killing me! Win 10 rant 2015/08/08 01:52:36 (permalink)
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I haven't even installed it yet and already Windows 10 is annoying me. This morning I got a popup window exhorting me to upgrade NOW!!! I closed it and a few minutes later it popped up again. I'm sure it's not going to be a problem killing it, but it's still an annoyance.
 
I'm hearing so many negatives, but so far not one compelling reason to upgrade. As a developer, I have an obligation to assure compatibility between Win10 and my own software. So I'll be upgrading a non-essential laptop for that reason alone.
 
At this time, I can list only two notable Windows 10 attributes: a) it boots faster and b) it's not Windows 8. Since I only reboot twice a month, it's therefore mainly about retiring 8.1.

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Re: Microsoft is killing me! Win 10 rant 2015/08/08 09:06:09 (permalink)
Bit kill Bill ?

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Re: Microsoft is killing me! Win 10 rant 2015/08/08 09:59:56 (permalink)
ampfixer
 
Things like that really enforce my analogy. Win 7 >> Win 10  =  Sonar 8.5.3 >> Sonar 2015
 

 
Sonar 8.5.3 >> Sonar 2015.  Really?  Not in my world.
 
 
 
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