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Microsoft petition. DAW mode like the Game mode!

DAW mode like the Game mode!
It would be great to have a DAW mode for Windows.
The reason is that Low latency is a must for a DAW,
but if you have the PC for other things,
those settings turns off every power savings settings so the PC is always on and so on.
Every timer and background task is harming the latency for the DAW.
But they are necessary for a normal PC use.
 
(DAW = Digital Audio Workstation)
(Latency = audio roundtrip from
> Sound card input.
> DAW.
> DAW processes the audio with effects, like guitar amp simulation, reverb for vocals and so on.
> DAW Master output where the live sound melts with all the other tracks.
> Sound card output.
 
Popular DAWs are ProTools, Cubase, Studio One and a great free one is Cakewalk by BandLab.
 
Link to the petition:
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Re: Microsoft petition. DAW mode like the Game mode! 2018/08/23 14:57:23 (permalink)
There are some special features that would be cool to have.

OneDrive on pause while recording and starts immediately after recording/playback is done to make backup.

Make a bobble and everything in it works, but everything outside stays on hold while app is running. Like mail app, WhatsApp, Telegram, Chrome, Firefox, backup, antivirus, network/internet and so on. Network might work just for the things in the bobble.

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Re: Microsoft petition. DAW mode like the Game mode! 2018/08/23 14:59:52 (permalink)
A Win10 install that's well-tweaked for DAW purposes is (also) great for any general-purpose task.
The issue isn't the OS itself... but rather the "general-purpose" applications one may install.
 
ie: Automated backup software (uses scheduling services that are constantly running in the background)
Those scheduling services have to be shut-down.
Perhaps MS could add user-based "Service Profiles"

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Re: Microsoft petition. DAW mode like the Game mode! 2018/08/24 07:18:05 (permalink)
Windoze the king of bloatware. How I wish OS/2 had really been pushed at the time IBM and them were slugging it out. Anyway, nice want list, but I doubt it'll happen. What you can always do is look up lists of how to make modifications, turn off things etc. But, chances of Micro$oft ever doing it... slim to none!.

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Re: Microsoft petition. DAW mode like the Game mode! 2018/08/24 15:19:35 (permalink)
Autoruns by Sysinternals is a great way to get control of background tasks that startup or are scheduled to run.
 
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/downloads/autoruns
 
This utility, which has the most comprehensive knowledge of auto-starting locations of any startup monitor, shows you what programs are configured to run during system bootup or login, and when you start various built-in Windows applications like Internet Explorer, Explorer and media players. These programs and drivers include ones in your startup folder, Run, RunOnce, and other Registry keys. Autoruns reports Explorer shell extensions, toolbars, browser helper objects, Winlogon notifications, auto-start services, and much more. Autoruns goes way beyond other autostart utilities.

 
To disable/enable any entry you simply uncheck/check the box next to it.
 
Using Autoruns to Deal with Startup Processes and Malware
https://www.howtogeek.com/school/sysinternals-pro/lesson6/

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Re: Microsoft petition. DAW mode like the Game mode! 2018/08/24 15:48:49 (permalink)
More often than not, it's the actual hardware such as mobo, graphics card(s), BIOS settings, etc. that cause latencies, not Winblowz.

PS: Win10 is the wurst.
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Re: Microsoft petition. DAW mode like the Game mode! 2018/08/24 16:12:56 (permalink)
Maybe I'm just lucky, but performance-wise Win10 is the best Windows version so far for me.  As was 8.1 before 10.
 
The updates BS are a major PITA, but the performance is grand
 

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Re: Microsoft petition. DAW mode like the Game mode! 2018/08/24 22:38:45 (permalink)
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A Win10 install that's well-tweaked for DAW purposes is (also) great for any general-purpose task.
The issue isn't the OS itself... but rather the "general-purpose" applications one may install.
 
ie: Automated backup software (uses scheduling services that are constantly running in the background)
Those scheduling services have to be shut-down.
Perhaps MS could add user-based "Service Profiles"


Isn’t it just better with a DAW mode that shuts these things off when you, ether start the DAW or when you start playback of record?
If you have to log off to go into this mode, and you will be in it for a longer time, I guess the computer will be at security risk.

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Re: Microsoft petition. DAW mode like the Game mode! 2018/08/24 22:42:09 (permalink)
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Windoze the king of bloatware. How I wish OS/2 had really been pushed at the time IBM and them were slugging it out. Anyway, nice want list, but I doubt it'll happen. What you can always do is look up lists of how to make modifications, turn off things etc. But, chances of Micro$oft ever doing it... slim to none!.


I hear you. But at least, Microsoft/Windows has this Feedback Hub. You can in fact ask them for features. But if people don’t care to do so, they will keep on doing what they do.



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Re: Microsoft petition. DAW mode like the Game mode! 2018/08/24 22:47:45 (permalink)
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More often than not, it's the actual hardware such as mobo, graphics card(s), BIOS settings, etc. that cause latencies, not Winblowz.

PS: Win10 is the wurst.


So why not this DAW mode that stops these features ether when you start up your DAW or start playback or recording in your DAW?
Why not?

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Re: Microsoft petition. DAW mode like the Game mode! 2018/08/24 22:52:52 (permalink)
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Autoruns by Sysinternals is a great way to get control of background tasks that startup or are scheduled to run.
 
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/downloads/autoruns
 
This utility, which has the most comprehensive knowledge of auto-starting locations of any startup monitor, shows you what programs are configured to run during system bootup or login, and when you start various built-in Windows applications like Internet Explorer, Explorer and media players. These programs and drivers include ones in your startup folder, Run, RunOnce, and other Registry keys. Autoruns reports Explorer shell extensions, toolbars, browser helper objects, Winlogon notifications, auto-start services, and much more. Autoruns goes way beyond other autostart utilities.

 
To disable/enable any entry you simply uncheck/check the box next to it.
 
Using Autoruns to Deal with Startup Processes and Malware
https://www.howtogeek.com/school/sysinternals-pro/lesson6/


Grat app.
Sad you have to go through this after almost every software upgrade.
And a little hard to gasp what to keep on or turn of for non nerds.
Would be much better with a DAW mode that turned off everything not needed ether while running the DAW or starting playback and recording in the DAW.

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Re: Microsoft petition. DAW mode like the Game mode! 2018/08/25 17:22:08 (permalink)
Win10 is a fine DAW platform... once fully reined-in.
Get the Pro version... and you have all the control needed to shut down extraneous/unwanted things like Cortana, OneDrive, Automatic Updates, etc.

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Re: Microsoft petition. DAW mode like the Game mode! 2018/08/25 17:30:17 (permalink)
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Isn’t it just better with a DAW mode that shuts these things off when you, ether start the DAW or when you start playback of record?
If you have to log off to go into this mode, and you will be in it for a longer time, I guess the computer will be at security risk.



If you had to wait for services to shut down when hitting the Transport in your DAW, that would be tedious. 
 
As far as security risk:
Most folks are using a router (behind a hardware firewall).
If you're going to cakewalk.com to download updates or read these forums, your security risk is minute.
Surfing porn while working in your DAW application... that's obviously high-risk.  
Receiving Email attachments on the DAW increases risk.
Installing unknown web-browser extensions increases risk.
IMO, A little common-sense goes a long way toward avoiding Malware/etc.
Maintaining an up-to-date backup image file of the boot drive is ultimate protection.

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Re: Microsoft petition. DAW mode like the Game mode! 2018/08/25 21:30:47 (permalink)
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If you had to wait for services to shut down when hitting the Transport in your DAW, that would be tedious. 
 
As far as security risk:
Most folks are using a router (behind a hardware firewall).
If you're going to cakewalk.com to download updates or read these forums, your security risk is minute.
Surfing porn while working in your DAW application... that's obviously high-risk.  
Receiving Email attachments on the DAW increases risk.
Installing unknown web-browser extensions increases risk.
IMO, A little common-sense goes a long way toward avoiding Malware/etc.
Maintaining an up-to-date backup image file of the boot drive is ultimate protection.


 

I hear you. You want to do that yourself. I understand that. I do it myself too. But the nature of the computer is to automate tasks. It is its main core function. And programing it to do things is the way it works. I understand you want to do everything yourself. I do. But Why not let the computer be a computer and let it do what it is meant to do? Turn thing on and off?
This is not a petition for me to finally be able to see adult vids while recording vocals. It is for the NOOOBS who don’t know what latency is.

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Re: Microsoft petition. DAW mode like the Game mode! 2018/08/27 12:47:41 (permalink)
Is there a recommended list of 'extraneous apps' that can/should be shut down for Win 10 Pro?   

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Re: Microsoft petition. DAW mode like the Game mode! 2018/08/27 19:56:57 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Mesh 2018/08/28 13:17:37
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Is there a recommended list of 'extraneous apps' that can/should be shut down for Win 10 Pro?   




What, other than wiping your system and doing a clean install of Windows, then only installing your audio apps?
 
Even then Windows 10 can still be chatty by default.  Windows store app updates, Cortana, remote telemetry, Windows updates, bah! https://www.howtogeek.com/356642/how-to-fix-all-windows-10%E2%80%99s-annoyances/
 
Here is a good guide from NI covering general Windows tuning tips for audio processing.  Nothing here specific about other apps, but this should give a good baseline.
https://support.native-instruments.com/hc/en-us/articles/209571729-Windows-Tuning-Tips-for-Audio-Processin

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