Midi Clip Audio Won't Stop Playing

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2016/02/10 21:10:44 (permalink)

Midi Clip Audio Won't Stop Playing

Weird but simple problem: I have my synthesizer hooked up as a midi controller, and for ex. I use cakewalk sound center, and I picked a synth (this applies to multiple of them) and I recorded what would be used as a loop. Problem is, when I paste the midi file and play it back, at the end of the clip, the final note just keeps getting held out for as long as I have the project playing. It's not making much sense as to why, because I recorded it ending when the loop ends- and the piano roll shows the duration of the notes to be how they should. How come the audio just keeps playing though? It holds the last note (or chord, in my case) that I played and it stays the same and will go on for minutes if I don't stop the entire song. 
 
Note: when I copy and paste the clip in the proper size and place one next to it, the note being held out interlaps with the consecutive clip. Pasting one after it isn't stopping it either. 
 
Also note: I noticed that this problem seems to only be happening to sounds that naturally won't die off over time if you held the key down. I didn't realize that the piano from the sound center doesn't have this problem because the sound of the piano only lasts a few seconds if held down with keys. Synths, leads, etc, are the problem, because they will never die off if you held the keys down. Thought this might be important to what is going on.
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    slartabartfast
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    Re: Midi Clip Audio Won't Stop Playing 2016/02/10 21:33:15 (permalink)
    Sounds like you may have cut teh end of the clip after a note on but before a note off. 
     
    The issue with notes that do not "naturally" die off probably has to do with the envelope of the patch/voice in the synth you are using. If the value of the volume/intensity envelope goes so low that it becomes inaudible, the note will seem to stop, even though there has been no note off message received to actually stop it. 
     
    You may need to make your cut a smidge later to capture the note off. 
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    Re: Midi Clip Audio Won't Stop Playing 2016/02/10 23:02:12 (permalink)
    What cut are you talking about? Just a little confused on what you mean to do. It's on a 4/4 time signature and it's a 16 beat loop. The clip normally gets cut right where the next clip is supposed to start, like a loop. What do you mean by a note on and a note off? 
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    Re: Midi Clip Audio Won't Stop Playing 2016/02/10 23:47:44 (permalink)
    You might have recorded a sustain pedal ON event in the clip but not a matching OFF, or the OFF was deleted by slip editing or whatever. Can you see it in the event view?

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    Re: Midi Clip Audio Won't Stop Playing 2016/02/10 23:50:58 (permalink)
    It takes 2 midi events for a note.  The first event is a Note On event, which will contain data on which note is to play, etc.  There is a 2nd midi event required in order for that note to stop playing, and that is a midi Note Off event, which will contain data for which note is to be turned off.
     
    While on the one hand, it takes 2 events for hearing a note play and then stop, it doesn't require data in between, so if someone was to hold a note for several measures, it would still only require those 2 midi events, even with all of that time the note is held.
     
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    Re: Midi Clip Audio Won't Stop Playing 2016/02/11 01:47:03 (permalink)
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    I recorded what would be used as a loop. Problem is, when I paste the midi file...

    Where was the file recorded that it needed to be pasted into SONAR? If you recorded directly into SONAR, there would be no need to paste a file, unless you mean pasting copies of the clip...?
     
    I don't really know of any way to get SONAR to lose a note off by editing. SONAR will always send note offs for all sounding notes at the end of a clip, whether they were recorded that way or the clip was slip-edited shorter. 
     
    So I'm inclined to think this involves missing sustain pedal up events or possibly the synth is inserted in an FX bin instead of the synth rack, which has been known to cause "stuck notes".
     
    But if the clip came from some other source, I suppose it's possible that it's somehow missing the note off events at the end of the file. But again, I would think missing pedal up events would be more likely.
     

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    Re: Midi Clip Audio Won't Stop Playing 2016/02/11 11:23:19 (permalink)
    Hmmm... So, I use a pedal connected into my keyboard to help hold out notes, it makes it easier and smoother to play, of course. I would have used the pedal on these clips (I'm not home, can't pull up the file atm) so you are suggesting it may be because I didn't let go of the pedal in the recording, so the file doesn't know I let go of it? Which, would hold the note out forever if I kept the pedal down
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    Re: Midi Clip Audio Won't Stop Playing 2016/02/11 11:40:00 (permalink)
    Yes, exactly. You need to capture the last pedal-up controller event (CC64=0) in the recording. SONAR has a setting in Preferences > Project > MIDI called 'Zero Controllers When Play Stops' that will help, especially when you stop playback in between pedal events in the middle of the project, but you'll want to make sure the last pedal-up is getting recorded in any case.
     
    EDIT: If that's the issue, you can manually add the missing pedal event in SONAR using the controller pane of the Piano Roll View (PRV) or the Event List view. I could give you steps, but you should see the relevant sections of the Ref. Guide to get familiar with these basic MIDI editing functions, and come back if you have questions.
     
     
     
     
     

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    Re: Midi Clip Audio Won't Stop Playing 2016/02/11 11:45:09 (permalink)
    Ahh yea, that would make perfect sense then. Wont be home till close to midnight tonight but when I do get home I'll re-do the clips making sure the pedal is released completely in the recording. Should work then. Thank you guys for the help!
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