Midi Delay on hearing sound

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2012/06/19 13:30:10 (permalink)

Midi Delay on hearing sound

Hello Again,
I've added system info to my signature!
 
All of a sudden the other day I noticed a short 1 second or so delay between hitting a key on my midi controler & Hearing the sound!
there is just a lag in time from keyboard key contact & actually hearing the sound! 
This did not do this before, It used to be instantaneous.
the sound was heard the second you hit the key on the midi.
I've looked at the settings in my laptop's Sonar X1 Producer & the seem to be the same!
Do you have any helpful ideas on what setting in the properties changed Or that I may have accinentially changed to cause this?
 
Thanks for your input,
  Bruce

Bruce Finkbeiner

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MME /  44100  ,  70 ms
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    soundtweaker
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    Re:Midi Delay on hearing sound 2012/06/19 13:39:49 (permalink)
    Try the Get Started Forum.
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    Re:Midi Delay on hearing sound 2012/06/19 13:48:17 (permalink)
    that previous post was little to no help at all.

    what you expericing is called latency,its the time it takes your midi controler to get to the notes to hit the note and make a route through your soundcard back to your speakers and to you.
    sounds simple hu?
    not neccessarly,
    it looks like your using your onboard sound card?
    reltek?
    these are not great for recording/playing midi,they sometimes,and i stress sometimes will do the job.
    but if you did have it working before and now there is a problem then chances are something got changed in the settings and /or your using a different synth that is more taxing on your soundcard.
    is it the same synth you were using before?
    if so,go in to preferences,drivers the setting your looking for is latency i would either back the slider off a few or push it forward a few.youll need to experiment with it.

    youll also need to tell us what driver mode you are using.mme,wmd or asio.
    i doubt asio because that requires a device.

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    Re:Midi Delay on hearing sound 2012/06/19 14:05:15 (permalink)
    I'm using MME It shows in my Signature Info!
     
    Yes, I'm using the same synth as before, this is in a saved - ongiong Project that I have been working on for a while now,  

    Bruce Finkbeiner

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    Re:Midi Delay on hearing sound 2012/06/19 14:40:16 (permalink)
    What would be a good/inexpencive sound card?

    Bruce Finkbeiner

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    Re:Midi Delay on hearing sound 2012/06/19 15:20:21 (permalink)
    mme is the worst for latency.
    you might want to try switching it to wmd and see if that gives you better results.
    because with using mme im surprised you got it to work without this problem before.
    reltek soundcards are the worst for digital audio recording.
    let me re phrase it..the bottom of the barrel soundcard.

    they are great for watchingyou tube and listening to mps on laptop/desktop speakers but not for digital recording man.
    im going to forget you said this was working good before and start over here

    if you want to eleveate this problem and fix it rightnow,then do this.:

    download the dpc latency checker.

    http://www.thesycon.de/deu/latency_check.shtml

    this small tool installs in seconds and will tell you if your system is able to support digital audio.
    run it for about 2-3 minutes while using sonar and your keyboard.
    if you start to see the bars in the red then your system is not capable of digiatl audio recording without latency.in other words..your bumbing out.

    if this is the case then you will need either a new soundcard that will support it(i suggest just asking around here or doing a search,believe it or not,cakewalk makes a few really nice ones for about 100.00 to 400.00 depending on your buget and seriousness

    for now you can get away with downloading a program called "asio4all"

    http://www.asio4all.com/

    make sure you read the 5 page manual good so you know how to set it up properly.
    by using this asio driver you will be up and recording in about 10 minutes if you set it up correctly and will never here this delay thing ever again.

    it is my suggestion that you go this route,why?
    because your only using a keyboard and a usb addapter to do your recording right?

    when it comes time you want to add vocals/guitars/drums/..then look in to a good audio interface.

    we were all at the point you were once apon a time,matter of fact what brought me to thins forum was the same thing your asking right now.
    and someone was pleasent enough to explain this to me as im doing to you with the promice i would help someone else out someday.

    well ive helped many out now so consider yourself one in a long list.

    learn about asio4 all in the manual and your problems will be solved..trust me.i did it untill i upgraded to many different devices now.and im happy to say i use a cakewalk v studio 20..it has all the faders on it so i can use them to control the faders in soanr,i also use an m audio oxygen 49 keyboard to control another 8 faders/pan knobs.
    its also a good keyboard.

    both downloads are virus free,sure check them,but dont worry,no freeware virus or bloat attatched.

    do what i told you and report back in a little while.
    ill try and check back in an hour or two to see how your making out.

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    Re:Midi Delay on hearing sound 2012/06/19 15:59:41 (permalink)
    Ill make this short and simple. Get a sound card with good WDM and ASIO drivers. MMe is for the birds.

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    Re:Midi Delay on hearing sound 2012/06/19 16:31:36 (permalink)
    CJaysMusic


    Ill make this short and simple. Get a sound card with good WDM and ASIO drivers. MMe is for the birds.

    Cj

    CJ,
    What would you suggest For someone out of work & on a very tight budget?
     
    Thanks
      Bruce

    Bruce Finkbeiner

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    Re:Midi Delay on hearing sound 2012/06/19 17:55:17 (permalink)
    It may not be a latency problem per se.  A while back I noticed that when I started a project and laid down midi, I had no delay issues with software synths.  However, after laying down some tracks and getting  a rough mix together, if I wanted to add some additional soft synth stuff, I would notice the delay from pressing the keys to hearing what I was playing.  It is actually a delay compensation "feature".  Perfect space, the MultiBand Compressor and a couple of other toys require significant compensation which causes a delay to synchronize to the other tracks.  I forget the specifics, but you can turn off the delay compensation in the offending vsts, or unpatch them (bypass does not turn off the compensation)

    Cheers

    Grif

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    Re:Midi Delay on hearing sound 2012/06/19 18:10:51 (permalink)
    Yes, I had Perfect space pluged into the master, But also I checked
    what CHARLIE ROY said & Noticed that asio4 all  was no longer on my Comp!
    I had been using it before & somehow it was gone & I was running in MME.
    I reinstalled  ASIO4ALL & Deleated the perfectspace from the Master &
    one or both actions fixed the problem.
    Thanks!
    Bruce

    Bruce Finkbeiner

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    MME /  44100  ,  70 ms
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    Axiom 49 Midi Controller

    6 Guitars, 1 new on the way :)
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    Re:Midi Delay on hearing sound 2012/06/20 02:46:56 (permalink)
    the thing that really threw me off here was in your sig it says

    MME /  44100  ,  70 ms

    if i had know you were using asio4all from the start this would have taken 2 seconds..lol

    but all i care about is your up and running and making music again bruce.

    asio4all might do this once in awhile to you(just mysteriously change drivers on you.
    someday down the road pick up a 100.00 external sound card and youll have better results and more stability.
    you might find once in awhile asio4all will crash your system.
    it did mine.but i got use out of it for awhile.

    glad your all set bruce,
    have fun.

    charlie

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    Re:Midi Delay on hearing sound 2012/06/20 16:44:59 (permalink)
    Charlie,
    Any ideas on a good Make of external sound card for $100. or  less?

    Bruce Finkbeiner

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    Re:Midi Delay on hearing sound 2012/06/22 19:22:48 (permalink)

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