Midi Keyboard working intermittently in Sonar Platinum Producer

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Midi Keyboard working intermittently in Sonar Platinum Producer

I have an old midi keyboard (M-Audio Keystation Pro 88)  which I have used with success as a midi input device.  Recently however it has been working intermittently - at times Sonar recognizes the input, more often at other times it does not.  I have tried testing it in different ways;  connecting the keyboard directly to USB port on computer, and through two different audio interfaces, M-Audio Fast Track Ultra and Tascam US-1800.  In all cases I see the midi input indicated on the computer and on the audio interface.  I would appreciate any and all input to help resolve my problem.  I am running Windows 10 on an HP computer.
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    Re: Midi Keyboard working intermittently in Sonar Platinum Producer 2018/07/31 16:22:19 (permalink)
    Do you have USB Power Management disabled?

    Do you use the M-Audio Driver?

    I use an M-Audio Keystation Pro 88 without issue here.

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    Re: Midi Keyboard working intermittently in Sonar Platinum Producer 2018/07/31 16:32:24 (permalink)
    Hi. If Wookiee isn't right about USB Power Management, perhaps try a different cable?
    I have an M-Audio Keystation 61es and have no issues with it.
    All the best.

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    Re: Midi Keyboard working intermittently in Sonar Platinum Producer 2018/07/31 17:27:52 (permalink)
    I have the same intermittent frustrating problem with my EMU X Board 49 under USB.. Was working fine, then used again after a couple of weeks break. nothing seemed to work.. swapping ports etc...USB power management is disabled.. I ended up uninstalling via device manager and reinstalling and it was ok. I used to use EMU's X board drivers with Win 7 .. but Win 10 installs it as plug and play.. Don't have a sound card with midi ports at the moment so don't know if all is well using midi interface.
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    Re: Midi Keyboard working intermittently in Sonar Platinum Producer 2018/07/31 17:39:21 (permalink)
    One other thing I have found with USB Audio devices is they do not like sharing USB ports.  Those two ports next to each other are a shared port, best to only plug in to one of them.

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    Re: Midi Keyboard working intermittently in Sonar Platinum Producer 2018/07/31 19:46:42 (permalink)
    There are only 2 problems I have experienced with USB devices:
    1) if you connect the same device to different ports. Even in case that has happened once by mistake. Sonar does not like that. Use Windows device manager with "show hidden devices" set to uninstall ALL instances of that device.
    2) bad USB cable/hub. There is zero diagnostic, but the software/drivers are rarely handle errors correctly. The result is unpredictable. F.e. I have a mouse which disconnects/reconnects all the time. Apart from periodical problems with clicking, I could not notice that till I have tried to use it with my own driver...
     

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    Re: Midi Keyboard working intermittently in Sonar Platinum Producer 2018/08/02 17:13:48 (permalink)
    Because of a limited number of USB ports on my laptop I am using a USB hub.  Is that a problem?  Can I assume that that comes under the heading of sharing a USB port?
     
    Referring to azslow3 point #1:  I have tried to connect the midi keyboard through the midi in ports of both my audio interfaces (Fast Track Ultra and Tascam US-1800). Do I need to uninstall all instances of these devices?  I do not recognize any device name that corresponds to my connecting the Keystation Pro directly to my laptop.  Any downside to unintentionally uninstalling the wrong device?
     
    I have drivers installed:
    M-Audio USB MIDI Series 5_0_1 for Keystation Pro 88
    FastTrackUltra_6_1_10_Win_83292 for Fast Track Ultra
    TASCAM_US1800_2.07rc1 for TASCAM US-1800
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    Re: Midi Keyboard working intermittently in Sonar Platinum Producer 2018/08/02 17:19:04 (permalink)
    Using a hub is not recommended.

    If you use the MIDI ports on the Key Station Pro you will not see it named, only the MIDI ports of the MIDI interfaces you have.  In this case you need to remember what MIDI port you have it plugged in to and then select that in CbB or alternately rename the port on your device it is connected to using a friendly name in Preferences > MIDI > Devices. 

    You will also have to use an external PSU do not under any circumstances have the USB connected and the external PSU it will destroy your Keystation Pro.

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    Re: Midi Keyboard working intermittently in Sonar Platinum Producer 2018/08/02 19:05:42 (permalink)
    I implemented all the suggestions from your replies.  I unplugged everything from the USB ports.   Connected Keystation Pro using PSU.  Connected midi out on keyboard to midi in on Fast Track Ultra.  Connected Fast Track Ultra to usb on laptop.  I rebooted my computer and power cycled everything. Brought up Sonar and created a new project using ctrl n.  Added Cakewalk SI-Electric Piano as a simple instrument track.  Checked that there was input from the synth property page.  Played the keystation pro and saw that there was input registering on the meters.  Saved the new project and closed sonar.  reopened sonar and opened the project I had saved.  Verified there was input to Si-Electric Piano using synth property page.  Played the keystation pro keyboard.  No input.  I am about at my wits end with this but dont know what to replace; midi keyboard, fast track ultra, or trash Sonar and go to Pro Tools...
     
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    Re: Midi Keyboard working intermittently in Sonar Platinum Producer 2018/08/02 19:15:59 (permalink)
    It almost reads like Input Echo is not enabled
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    Re: Midi Keyboard working intermittently in Sonar Platinum Producer 2018/08/02 19:17:17 (permalink)
    Before you proceed with moving to Pro Tools (if you do not know exactly why you want Pro Tools, there are better options...):
     
    1. delete %APPDATA%\Cakewalk\<Sonar version>\TTSSEQ.INI
     
    2- (if still no luck).
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    Referring to azslow3 point #1:  I have tried to connect the midi keyboard through the midi in ports of both my audio interfaces (Fast Track Ultra and Tascam US-1800). Do I need to uninstall all instances of these devices?  I do not recognize any device name that corresponds to my connecting the Keystation Pro directly to my laptop.  Any downside to unintentionally uninstalling the wrong device?

    In the Windows device manager, select "Show not shown devices" option (I do not remember how it is called exactly in English) and check all your MIDI devices. If you see any "orphaned" (not currently existing) devices, delete them. If you see "-2" ("-3", etc) in names of some existing devices, delete them (then unplug/plug to reinstall, can also happened with MIDI ports of audio interfaces).

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    Re: Midi Keyboard working intermittently in Sonar Platinum Producer 2018/08/02 20:39:23 (permalink)
    1.  Input echo is enabled (remember it worked once, saved project, reopened project and did not work).
    2.  Deleted %APPDATA%\Cakewalk\<Sonar version>\TTSSEQ.INI.  No cigar.
    3.  Deleted every device for fast track ultra and or midi from audio inputs and outputs,  software devices, sound video and game controllers, and anything I could find remotely applicable (did this several times). No cigar.
     
    I also tried this on two different computers.
     
    Here is something else interesting - On the off chance that I am getting input from my keyboard, if I save the project and reopen it, it still works, but if I close and reopen Sonar it no longer registers inout from the keyboard.
     
    Still open to suggestions...
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    Re: Midi Keyboard working intermittently in Sonar Platinum Producer 2018/08/03 08:59:35 (permalink)
    Does any Synth in the project has "MIDI Output" enabled?
    Do you have Drum Maps defined?
     
    Also in the OP you write "Sonar Platinum Producer"... There was no such thing. There was "Sonar Platinum" and there was "Sonar Producer" (long time before that).
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    Re: Midi Keyboard working intermittently in Sonar Platinum Producer 2018/08/03 16:59:57 (permalink)
    The synth I am testing with has midi output enabled.
    Not sure about drum maps defined.  I have never used that feature.  I am testing with SI Electric Piano so I am not sure what drum maps have to do with it. 
    What I am trying to understand is why it works (sometimes) on a new project until I close and reopen either the project or Sonar.
    Pardon my ignorance but I am not sure what CbB is referring to. 
    I am using Sonar Platinum, 23.10.0 Build 14.  I have been using Sonar since version 8.  I like it and really don't to switch. Just frustrated because my Keystation was working fine until the update right before Bandlab acquired Cakewalk.
     
     
     
     
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    Re: Midi Keyboard working intermittently in Sonar Platinum Producer 2018/08/03 17:54:13 (permalink)
    I posted this in another thread, and I don't know if this is relevant or not, but I've had to retire my MidiSport 2x2 (also an MAudio based device) as since the 1803 Windows Update, it was constantly disconnecting itself within CbB/SONAR.
     
    Windows "claims" it's still connected, but none of the midi messages get to/from any software.
     
    It works for a few minutes, then Cakewalk says it's gone away and it's a pain for it to recognise it again. It never did this before I upgraded to 1803.
     
    I tried the 2x2 on a different machine, and it seemed to be stable, but it wasn't being thrashed the way it was in the studio. It was used as my Mackie MCU / XT interface, so it was getting all the automation info as well as constant timecode updates.
     
    I'm now using a MidiTech MidiFace 8x8 without issues.
     
    However, there may be something in the original 1803 update that has destablised M-Audio drivers.
     
    Note, I've not tried this again since the Windows 10 Version 1803 Cumulative Update KB4340917 so it might be worth giving this a try to see if it fixes the issue, as it's done for Maschine etc.
     

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    Re: Midi Keyboard working intermittently in Sonar Platinum Producer 2018/08/03 18:28:08 (permalink)
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    The synth I am testing with has midi output enabled.
    Not sure about drum maps defined.  I have never used that feature.  I am testing with SI Electric Piano so I am not sure what drum maps have to do with it. 
    What I am trying to understand is why it works (sometimes) on a new project until I close and reopen either the project or Sonar.
    Pardon my ignorance but I am not sure what CbB is referring to. 
    I am using Sonar Platinum, 23.10.0 Build 14.  I have been using Sonar since version 8.  I like it and really don't to switch. Just frustrated because my Keystation was working fine until the update right before Bandlab acquired Cakewalk.

    CbB is Cakewalk by Bandlab. It is essentially Sonar Platinum core program, but it is getting updates.
     
    Another question: what you enabled in the MIDI devices preferences? I hope nothing except the port to which the keyboard is connected.
    Try to disable Synth MIDI output.
     
    I know that sounds like make no sense, but all that does... Cakewalk enumerate all MIDI into one array (real inputs, Synth outputs, Drum maps) and when something is "shifted" (stuck/disappear/appear/etc.) they not always reposition things correctly.
    Previous CbB update has fixed something in that area (as they claim).
     

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    Re: Midi Keyboard working intermittently in Sonar Platinum Producer 2018/08/03 20:03:22 (permalink)
    I am using Sonar Platinum, 23.10.0 Build 14 also.  MIDI keyboard input is stable here, but I am not currently using M-Audio MIDI drivers.
     
    I noticed that the TASCAM US-1800 also has a 5-pin MIDi connection.  Did you try this yet?

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    Re: Midi Keyboard working intermittently in Sonar Platinum Producer 2018/08/24 14:48:27 (permalink)
    Hi folks, this same problem has been driving me crazy for months now! I’ve got an Oxygen 49 and 88. I never seem to have problems with the 88 but the 49 is always intermittent. I always assumed it was a windows problem and have trawled the internet for usb fixes but nothing seems to have worked. I’ve uninstalled everything, devices and software, reinstalled it all again and everything is fine for a short time. Then out of the blue I open up CbB or Platinum and there’s nothing coming from my 49. It’s so frustrating and I’m about to give up on lot. :(

    I’m going to try some of the suggestions here and see what happens. It’s good in one way I suppose to know that it’s not just me having this problem. I thought I was going nuts! :)

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    Re: Midi Keyboard working intermittently in Sonar Platinum Producer 2018/08/24 16:50:27 (permalink)
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    Hi folks, this same problem has been driving me crazy for months now! I’ve got an Oxygen 49 and 88. I never seem to have problems with the 88 but the 49 is always intermittent...



    Nifty, your system info would be helpful... Win 7 or Win 10?  Desktop or laptop?  You say the 88 works fine, but not the 49, so I'd start there. Are they on the same machine? What are the differences?  Is the 49's firmware up to date?

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    Re: Midi Keyboard working intermittently in Sonar Platinum Producer 2018/08/25 10:12:58 (permalink)
    Hi Jon
     
    Sorry, I didn't want to hassle anyone so didn't think to post any major details, I was just glad to see it wasn't just me having this problem :)
     
    I'm on windows 10, fully updated. I have used the 88 an 49 attached to the computer at the same time and not had problems in the past. I'm not using a usb hub, both are straight into usb ports on the back of the pc, which is an i7. Lately I have just had the 49 left plugged in. 
     
    To show how intermittent the problem is, yesterday afternoon the input failed on the 49 after about 30 minutes of playing. Usually I have to go into devices in sonar, uncheck the 49 from the list, restart CbB (or platinum) go straight to devices and recheck the 49 and everything seems ok again. Except yesterday this didn't work at all. No matter how many times I did this CbB just wouldn't get any signal from tge 49. After half an hour trying I gave up and shut the pc down.
     
    Last night I went back to it, turned the pc on and opened up CbB. The 49 was still checked in devices after the afternoon antics and it was working perfectly. I played for a couple of hours without a single problem! 
     
    I think it's either a windows problem or maybe as simple as a cable problem. Think I'll pick up a new cable and see what happens in the future.
    I understood the 49 is plug and play and didn't need any drivers installed to use it.
    It's brand new, only had it a couple of months so not sure on firmware. How would I check or update firmware on the keyboard?
     
    Thanks for listening anyway :)
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    Re: Midi Keyboard working intermittently in Sonar Platinum Producer 2018/08/25 12:23:14 (permalink)
    I, also, use an M-Audio KSP 88. I had a problem a long time ago with the midi out cable not plugging all the way in. The cable end was molded so that the pins were in the plug but the plastic barrel end would stop them short from going all the way in. So it caused the same intermittent problem you describe with your 49.
    Might try checking that out.

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    Re: Midi Keyboard working intermittently in Sonar Platinum Producer 2018/08/25 13:13:30 (permalink)
    Nifty9993 I'm not using a usb hub, both are straight into usb ports on the back of the pc,

    still worth checking what else is sharing that usb hub/controller (internally) and that the power management is configured right

    just a sec

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    Re: Midi Keyboard working intermittently in Sonar Platinum Producer 2018/08/29 13:21:32 (permalink)
    Thanks guys. I replaced the cable and so far all seems perfect so maybe it was as simple as that....time will tell.

    One very strange thing I wanted to mention was I have my Blackstar Club HT40 under my desk and my PC sits at the side of the desk. I was recording today and I had finished tracking guitar and was moving on to keys. I had been setting the organ sound with the guitar still on my lap then when I was ready I put the guitar back on the stand and switched the amp off, standby first then main power. Went to the keyboard and began playing....nothing! No input from the keys. Switched my PC off and back on again, loaded the project and keyboard was back, working perfectly!!

    There must be a voltage surge..,or some other technical term that I don’t know :) that knocks the keyboard or PC sideways!?!?
    Now I’m not sure if I’ve done this in the past and that’s what my problem has actually been, or a combination of the two things....

    Anyway, thought I’d just mention it.

    Amp now has a note on “do not switch off! Keys!” :)

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