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Midi Pitch Bend Question
Hello-- I have the midi track already recorded and there is one note I would like to add a **** bend to. FYI--the midi is an electric bass instrument in my v-sampler (kontakt 4) and when the bass hits it's first note, I want it to slide the pitch down. How do I add a pitch bend to an existing midi note? Thanks,
post edited by razor - 2010/09/11 00:30:08
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Re:Midid Pitch Bend Question
2010/09/09 23:59:55
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Hello--
I have the midi track already recorded and there is one note I would like to add a **** bend to. FYI--the midi is an electric bass instrument in my v-sampler (kontakt 4) and when the bass hits it's first note, I want it to slide the pitch down.
How do I add a pitch bend to an existing midi note?
Thanks,
The best, most intuitive way to add Pitch Bend, or any other controlling layer to a MIDI track is use a keyboard, recording as many passes over the same track as you want. A lot of people first play a passage, then record volume control data over that, maybe add sustain pedal separately, any other MIDI controller that can work on a given instrument. So if you have a keyboard, just record again, using the wheel the way you want. If you're not using a keyboard, then go to the heart of MIDI in Sonar which is the Piano Roll View. With the menu in the upper left hand corner, select a new pane to display Pitch Bend, then draw the data in. The horizontal line in the middle of the pitch pane indicates zero - you draw up or down from there. Hold Ctrl while you draw, and have the Grid off. That way you can draw continues sweeps with your cursor. Randy B.
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Re:Midid Pitch Bend Question
2010/09/10 05:11:59
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You might also have to visit the GUI of the synth in question and alter the pitch bend parameter from there.
On some synths, this defaults to 2 semitones which might not be enough for your needs.
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Re:Midid Pitch Bend Question
2010/09/10 12:29:47
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You might also have to visit the GUI of the synth in question and alter the pitch bend parameter from there.
On some synths, this defaults to 2 semitones which might not be enough for your needs.
Thanks for adding the additional info, Colin. 2 semitones is the most common default bend, but on many synths/samplers that can be changed to as much as an octave range. Of course, if one is trying to emulate a real instrument, pitch bend range usually needs to stay within a short range since not a lot of instruments can actually bend all that much. Razor, did you get this figured out from our posts? Randy B.
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Re:Midid Pitch Bend Question
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Yeah, I was thinking if he's trying to emulate a slide on his bass instrument, an octave might well be more suitable.
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Re:Midid Pitch Bend Question
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Easiest way is on a keyboard. Otherwise, go into the event list view and add a pitch bend control event. The range of values is -127 to 127. 0 is no bend. -127 bends it down the full range depending on what you set the pitch bend range to. 127 bends it up. Another option is to use portamento, if the synth has that function available.
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Re:Midid Pitch Bend Question
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Well, if you don't have a keyboard, drawing in the PRV as described earlier is much easier than inserting a list of events in the Event List View.
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Re:Midid Pitch Bend Question
2010/09/10 21:10:47
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Well, if you don't have a keyboard, drawing in the PRV as described earlier is much easier than inserting a list of events in the Event List View.
Randy B.
That may be true if you use the PRV. I've been using Cakewalk since version 1.2 and I've never really used the PRV.
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Re:Midid Pitch Bend Question
2010/09/10 23:34:04
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rbowser
Well, if you don't have a keyboard, drawing in the PRV as described earlier is much easier than inserting a list of events in the Event List View.
Randy B.
That may be true if you use the PRV. I've been using Cakewalk since version 1.2 and I've never really used the PRV.
Well now, Hey there Dave - That is really interesting. When I first started using Cakewalk, it was with Pro Audio 9, the last version before it became Sonar. So obviously I haven't been around as long as you. I remember using the Event List View a Lot when I started. I was using hardware synths, naturally, considering the period, and the Event List was invaluable for the kind of editing I would do. Since transitioning into soft synths, it's extremely rare for me to get into Event List, PRV being my go-to view for MIDI editing. The visuals give me direct feedback on what's happening, with the visual display of notes and their length, and the control panes displaying all controllers - thank heavens Cakewalk finally made the multiple pane view possible, instead of having to choose one at a time. That's one trick they did very well to pick up from Cubase. Editing something like Pitch Bend is so slick in PRV since with the grid off, and holding Ctrl as you work, you can draw in a bend of any depth and length you want, and do it so quickly once you get the hang of how to draw bend which is a little trickier than drawing Continuous Controllers. The data you generate in seconds can end up being hundreds of data bits which you would have to type in individually in the Event List. Being able to swoop around drawing all those kind of controls, more like painting actually - it's obviously my editing choice of preference. The data is always generated from my keyboard first, but I can fine tune and do other quick touch ups so easily in PRV - As compared to the really dry, analytical and slooow process of typing in values in the Event List. I'm amazed to hear that anyone of such recording prowess as you still works in that view so much. I'm like Wow.  Randy B.
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Re:Midid Pitch Bend Question
2010/09/11 00:32:17
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razor
Hello--
I have the midi track already recorded and there is one note I would like to add a **** bend to. FYI--the midi is an electric bass instrument in my v-sampler (kontakt 4) and when the bass hits it's first note, I want it to slide the pitch down.
How do I add a pitch bend to an existing midi note?
Thanks,
The best, most intuitive way to add Pitch Bend, or any other controlling layer to a MIDI track is use a keyboard, recording as many passes over the same track as you want. A lot of people first play a passage, then record volume control data over that, maybe add sustain pedal separately, any other MIDI controller that can work on a given instrument.
So if you have a keyboard, just record again, using the wheel the way you want.
If you're not using a keyboard, then go to the heart of MIDI in Sonar which is the Piano Roll View. With the menu in the upper left hand corner, select a new pane to display Pitch Bend, then draw the data in. The horizontal line in the middle of the pitch pane indicates zero - you draw up or down from there.
Hold Ctrl while you draw, and have the Grid off. That way you can draw continues sweeps with your cursor.
Randy B.
I think I was on the right track (pardon the pun) but here is where I get stuck: "With the menu in the upper left hand corner, select a new pane to display Pitch Bend" I don't see where that is. Will I see pitch bend, or th midi control number equivalent? Thanks all. I'm trying to do this without the midi controller.
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Re:Midid Pitch Bend Question
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Hello--
I have the midi track already recorded and there is one note I would like to add a **** bend to. FYI--the midi is an electric bass instrument in my v-sampler (kontakt 4) and when the bass hits it's first note, I want it to slide the pitch down.
How do I add a pitch bend to an existing midi note?
Thanks,
The best, most intuitive way to add Pitch Bend, or any other controlling layer to a MIDI track is use a keyboard, recording as many passes over the same track as you want. A lot of people first play a passage, then record volume control data over that, maybe add sustain pedal separately, any other MIDI controller that can work on a given instrument.
So if you have a keyboard, just record again, using the wheel the way you want.
If you're not using a keyboard, then go to the heart of MIDI in Sonar which is the Piano Roll View. With the menu in the upper left hand corner, select a new pane to display Pitch Bend, then draw the data in. The horizontal line in the middle of the pitch pane indicates zero - you draw up or down from there.
Hold Ctrl while you draw, and have the Grid off. That way you can draw continues sweeps with your cursor.
Randy B.
I think I was on the right track (pardon the pun) but here is where I get stuck: "With the menu in the upper left hand corner, select a new pane to display Pitch Bend"
I don't see where that is. Will I see pitch bend, or th midi control number equivalent?
Thanks all. I'm trying to do this without the midi controller.
Pardon me, Razor - I should have been more specific. Here's a screen shot. It's not the menu in the very top left hand corner, but the one right before that. You can choose any continuous controller there, but Pitch Bend is in a category by itself and you choose "Wheel" for that, since a keyboard's wheel controls it. This shot shows that chosen so a pitch-bend pane appears, and I've drawn in a slow bend for you to see what it looks like:  Just make sure you've clicked on the button in the PRV menu that gives you the view that includes the data panes. Apply this to any MIDI control you want to work with. You can add as many panes as you can comfortably squeeze on to your screen. Randy B.
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Re:Midid Pitch Bend Question
2010/09/11 08:44:18
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rbowser I'm amazed to hear that anyone of such recording prowess as you still works in that view so much. I'm like Wow. I don't use the Event List view much. Most of my MIDI tracks are recorded using a keyboard controller. Then I tweak using the staff view or the Event List view. I guess its all what you're used to.
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Re:Midid Pitch Bend Question
2010/09/11 13:33:24
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Hello--
I have the midi track already recorded and there is one note I would like to add a **** bend to. FYI--the midi is an electric bass instrument in my v-sampler (kontakt 4) and when the bass hits it's first note, I want it to slide the pitch down.
How do I add a pitch bend to an existing midi note?
Thanks,
The best, most intuitive way to add Pitch Bend, or any other controlling layer to a MIDI track is use a keyboard, recording as many passes over the same track as you want. A lot of people first play a passage, then record volume control data over that, maybe add sustain pedal separately, any other MIDI controller that can work on a given instrument.
So if you have a keyboard, just record again, using the wheel the way you want.
If you're not using a keyboard, then go to the heart of MIDI in Sonar which is the Piano Roll View. With the menu in the upper left hand corner, select a new pane to display Pitch Bend, then draw the data in. The horizontal line in the middle of the pitch pane indicates zero - you draw up or down from there.
Hold Ctrl while you draw, and have the Grid off. That way you can draw continues sweeps with your cursor.
Randy B.
I think I was on the right track (pardon the pun) but here is where I get stuck: "With the menu in the upper left hand corner, select a new pane to display Pitch Bend"
I don't see where that is. Will I see pitch bend, or th midi control number equivalent?
Thanks all. I'm trying to do this without the midi controller.
Pardon me, Razor - I should have been more specific.
Here's a screen shot. It's not the menu in the very top left hand corner, but the one right before that. You can choose any continuous controller there, but Pitch Bend is in a category by itself and you choose "Wheel" for that, since a keyboard's wheel controls it. This shot shows that chosen so a pitch-bend pane appears, and I've drawn in a slow bend for you to see what it looks like:
Just make sure you've clicked on the button in the PRV menu that gives you the view that includes the data panes.
Apply this to any MIDI control you want to work with. You can add as many panes as you can comfortably squeeze on to your screen.
Randy B.
Randy-- Excellent. That's what I needed. Thanks much!
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Re:Midid Pitch Bend Question
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Randy--
Excellent. That's what I needed.
Thanks much!
Hey, good deal - Thanks for letting me know that info helped out, I appreciate that. RB
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Re:Midi Pitch Bend Question
2010/12/06 12:43:41
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The whole idea of the the piano roll windows is to enable controllers! The reason why using the keyboard is more intuitive than altering the pitch of a instrument from the piano roll view is it doesn't always work from the piano roll window! I haven't been able to alter pitch of pre-recorded midi events from the piano roll view yet in Sonar! I do think that Sonar's midi editing has it's quirks! Midi editing in Sonar is not full proof! Most of the Sonar videos never show much midi editing and I understand why!
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Re:Midi Pitch Bend Question
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Another thing to consider is that when entering pitch bend info in the PRV it can be useful to turn snap to grid OFF. If you don't you will only be able to add pitch bend controllers at the snap to grid setting. To draw in controllers that look like the ones in rbowser's image, which will give a very smooth and realist sounding slope, you might want to change the PRV tool configuration to Paint In Notes/Controllers. Otherwise you will have to enter each controller in individually. Go to Options>PRV Tool Configuration. Select PRV Tool #2 (Draw) and change its Tool Action to Paint Notes/Controllers Free (If you want a perfect glide slope you can try Paint Notes/Controllers Linear). With Paint Notes/Controllers Free you can draw in controllers that look just like the ones in the picture. Don't forget to change the PRV Tool setting back to Default when you are done. Ah, just read rbowser's post in more detail... his way is easier... nevermind.  Just consider this a peripheral bit of information.
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Re:Midi Pitch Bend Question
2010/12/06 13:41:00
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Midi editing in Sonar is not full proof! Nor fool-proof, apparently. Yes there are quirks. Will they keep you from doing that vast majority of MIDI edits without a problem? No, not if you know what you're doing. 
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Re:Midi Pitch Bend Question
2010/12/06 14:08:17
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The whole idea of the the piano roll windows is to enable controllers! The reason why using the keyboard is more intuitive than altering the pitch of a instrument from the piano roll view is it doesn't always work from the piano roll window! I haven't been able to alter pitch of pre-recorded midi events from the piano roll view yet in Sonar! I do think that Sonar's midi editing has it's quirks! Midi editing in Sonar is not full proof! Most of the Sonar videos never show much midi editing and I understand why!
Ronboy, you have to be doing any number of things incorrectly. Editing MIDI in Sonar's PRV can work perfectly, if you know what you're doing, as Brundlefly just said. You've never been able to alter the pitch of a MIDI note - ?! - That's MIDI editing 101 - you just grab the note with the selection tool and drag it up or down as needed, or use CTRL+Q to get the Transpose dialogue--or right click on a note and type in parameters. As I said in the older post from me above with the screen shot, you need the Grid turned Off, and you hold CTRL as you draw any kind of data you want. That's just part of it. You need to absorb what's in the manual, Ronboy. RB
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Re:Midid Pitch Bend Question
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The range of values is -127 to 127. 0 is no bend. -127 bends it down the full range depending on what you set the pitch bend range to. 127 bends it up. Not quite in the case of pitch bend. Most MIDI control messages have a data value of 0 thru 127. Pitch bend has data values of 0 to 16K with 8192 being centered (no pitch change).
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The range of values is -127 to 127. 0 is no bend. -127 bends it down the full range depending on what you set the pitch bend range to. 127 bends it up.
Not quite in the case of pitch bend. Most MIDI control messages have a data value of 0 thru 127. Pitch bend has data values of 0 to 16K with 8192 being centered (no pitch change).
Yeah, I was going to mention that Pitch Bend uses the RPN message format, but I figured it wasn't really a big deal since no one types in pitch bend values... I hope.
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Re:Midid Pitch Bend Question
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I might be wrong, but I thought the pitch bend values range from -8192 to 0 to 8192. Not that it really maters 
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Re:Midid Pitch Bend Question
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I might be wrong, but I thought the pitch bend values range from -8192 to 0 to 8192.
Not that it really maters
That's what you effectively get, but the binary representation of the data has zero as the smallest value and 16383 as the max value. Like you said, though, not that it really matters.
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Re:Midid Pitch Bend Question
2010/12/07 19:05:59
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Actually, it does matter. When you enter a Pitch Event of 0, your pitch won't change, but if you enter a value of 8192, it will change upward drastically. Likewise, -8192 will lower the pitch drastically.
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2010/12/07 19:38:01
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Actually, it does matter. When you enter a Pitch Event of 0, your pitch won't change, but if you enter a value of 8192, it will change upward drastically. Likewise, -8192 will lower the pitch drastically.
--yes, but as Brundlefly said earlier on this thread: I figured it wasn't really a big deal since no one types in pitch bend values... I hope. If someone doesn't have a pitch bend wheel, the next-best thing to do is draw in the data in the PRV, as per the instructions on this thread. Why would anyone type pitch bend data in via the Event List--? RB
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Re:Midid Pitch Bend Question
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The biggest problem I've had with editing control information in PRV is : You Have to SELECT the CORRECT CHANNEL. Remember when you are driving a multi-timbral soft synth or when you have moved tracks around and or comped from other tracks it's very easy to get note values that have different base channel information and subsequently have the track output to a different channel. The easiest fastest solve is to select the track and use the Event Inspector to change all event to a specific midi channel then make sure you select that same channel in the controller view in PRV. This is from my own frustrated experience. YMMV
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Re:Midid Pitch Bend Question
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If someone doesn't have a pitch bend wheel, the next-best thing to do is draw in the data in the PRV, as per the instructions on this thread. Why would anyone type pitch bend data in via the Event List--?
They wouldn't, of course. But it does help to know what the data is supposed to look like. Sometimes you need to examine the contents of the event list to diagnose strange behavior. So, knowing that the pitch bend data value (or any MIDI controoler data value for that matter) is always zero or positive can be useful.
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Re:Midid Pitch Bend Question
2010/12/08 11:52:20
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rbowser
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Actually, it does matter. When you enter a Pitch Event of 0, your pitch won't change, but if you enter a value of 8192, it will change upward drastically. Likewise, -8192 will lower the pitch drastically.
--yes, but as Brundlefly said earlier on this thread:
I figured it wasn't really a big deal since no one types in pitch bend values... I hope.
If someone doesn't have a pitch bend wheel, the next-best thing to do is draw in the data in the PRV, as per the instructions on this thread. Why would anyone type pitch bend data in via the Event List--?
RB
Randy, if a particular sample or instrument is out of tune, typing a single pitch bend event in the Event List can remedy that without having to ride the pitch wheel throughout the entire piece. I agree though that you wouldn't be typing in a moving pitch wheel series of events unless perhaps you had a certain stairstep technique in mind or something to that effect where a single event would define the desired change.
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Re:Midid Pitch Bend Question
2010/12/08 13:16:25
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Dmbaer and Bmdaustin - Good stuff, thanks for the posts. I get it now. I so rarely go into the Event List anymore, I tend to forget about its uses. When I need that kind of pitch correction, I've used the PRV where I can insert data and keep whittling away or adding to it until I have the value I want. Once that's locked in, the bend stays in effect until a "zero," center node is added. But if it's an entire track with an instrument that needs fixing, there are usually handy tuning controls on a synth to use instead of bend.
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Re:Midid Pitch Bend Question
2012/02/12 10:20:57
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Many thanks to all concerned - especially rbowser. Sat down 20 mins ago and was determined once and for all to find out how to bend MIDI notes. This post did it for me!
I'm just about 100% on screen - ALL my synths are SONAR's! So no problems that you others might have with outboard kit. So my suggestion to those having problems... test stuff WITHIN Sonar before going out alone at night.
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Re:Midid Pitch Bend Question
2013/07/09 22:00:00
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I found this thread through a Google search and I'm totally confused as to how to replicate this process in Music Creator 6.
I would like to use pitch bend, but I cannot for the life of me figure out how to implement it. Also, does the process vary between my General MIDI, Cakewalk TTS and Cakewalk SoundCenter synths?
Can anyone assist? Please walk me through this. Thanks in advance.
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