Midi driving me crazy...(migrating from reaper)

Hey guys,
  I'm new to sonar. Have vs. x1b. I've been using reaper for a little over a year, and wanted to give something else a go round. Anyways, here is my problem and I hope someone can help. Might I add, I've been reading these forums and searching the net, but cannot find an exact answer.  Here goes...

Problem one: When recording in a 4-measure/bar loop, essentially overdub mode(each pass creates a new layer). In reaper overdub was applied to the same take. Is sonar capable of this?

Problem two: I set up a 4-measure/bar loop starting at 1:0:1 and ending at 5:0:1. If I record and the current instrument only needs notes on the 2nd and 3rd measure then my recorded midi take is only as long as the notes played. Not the length of the loop! This is causing me major frustration. Is there a way to set sonar to make the midi take automatically the size of the loop without trimming it. Even when bouncing to a groove clip it stays the same size and doesn't adjust to the loop length.

Someone please help!

and...forgive my ignorance of any wrongly stated terminology... I'm still learning.

Thanks in advance!

Hey thanks! I never noticed the create new layers on overlap checkbox. That took care of that. As far as the other. I can drag them out I just thought it would be nice to have it done automatically.

Problem two: I set up a 4-measure/bar loop starting at 1:0:1 and ending at 5:0:1. If I record and the current instrument only needs notes on the 2nd and 3rd measure then my recorded midi take is only as long as the notes played. Not the length of the loop!
 
I also recently switched from another DAW program to Sonar X1, and those short clips bothered me too, although i'm starting to get used to them.

I believe you can resize a midi clip or series of midi clips to the length of a loop by right-clicking on one of the midi clips and selecting 'bounce to clips' (I don't have Sonar in front of me to double check this so i'm speaking from [shakey] memory). Give it a try.

Regards
Glenn

sorry for the empty post... I was tryin this one from mobile. it wouldn't work.

Thanks for all the helpful ideas.

Another question. If I have an 8 measure loop and lets say I have a sustained note on beat 15 using 4/4 of course. Why is the note truncated and the remainder of the note not applied to the beginning of the loop.

rbowser

The Aspiring Producer


Thanks for all the helpful ideas.

Another question. If I have an 8 measure loop and lets say I have a sustained note on beat 15 using 4/4 of course. Why is the note truncated and the remainder of the note not applied to the beginning of the loop.

Because MIDI needs a Note On event in order for there to be a note to sustain.--I think that explains it succinctly enough.  There's no such thing as a sustained note which starts in the middle -

Randy B.

I clearly understand what you are saying, but in Reaper this would behave exactly as I have stated. ( or maybe I said it wrong). A whole not on beat 15 would continue at the beginning of the loop( not actually but it just sounds that way)... without being truncated or more precisely, the whole note is still played even though it continues past the boundaries of the loop clip.

  actually bounce to clip has the opposite effect for me. If i trim a clip out to align with the measures and hit bounce to clip it will revert back to it's original size. This one annoys me the most. I always have to trim them back out again after bouncing to clips. Hopefully someone will chime in with a better solution would make my day.....


stop bounce to clips once all you notes are inside the existing clip, then just resize to the snap points and apply create groove clips 

in Reaper this would behave exactly as I have stated. ( or maybe I said it wrong). A whole not on beat 15 would continue at the beginning of the loop( not actually but it just sounds that way)... without being truncated or more precisely, the whole note is still played even though it continues past the boundaries of the loop clip.

Yes, SONAR is not so good with this (or the empty clip-boundary issue) because it started out as a conventional, linear MIDI sequencer, and evolved to support clips and looping, whereas new-kid-on-the-block Reaper was all about loop-based composing from the start. You have to do some slightly unconventional MIDI programming to have a note start at the end of a clip, and have the note-off recorded (and sent on playback) sometime after the "return" to the beginning of the loop. Obviously, it can be done, but the Bakers haven't done it yet.