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2015/04/11 01:20:17 (permalink)

Midi keyboard controller

Only need 3 or 4 octaves-weighted keys.25 keys or 32 keys is fine for me. I will mainly be recording bass lines and drum parts-
 
maye a keyboard here and there, but Bass & drums mainly. Smaller he foot print the better.
 
LAstly, must have AC power capability-not just USB power- oh how I hate that.
 
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    Paul P
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    Re: Midi keyboard controller 2015/04/11 12:12:57 (permalink)
     
    Having extra notes off to the left is great for key switches.
     
    I have a 25-key keyboard (two octaves) and it's impossible to play two-handed on it, let alone also have keys defined as switches.
     
    I can see purchasing a cheap small keyboard (do they even make such small ones weighted ?) for simple bass lines and such, but if you're going to spend any kind of money, I'd really consider at least 61 keys (5 octaves).

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    Re: Midi keyboard controller 2015/04/11 17:58:26 (permalink)
    Paul,
     
    Actually I normally only use 1 hand. I sequence bass lines and my right hand does fine. For drums I do use both hands but 25 keys is plenty.
     
    Akai makes some nice ones, I just don't know which are better tan others-my only experience is with an old usb 1.1 25 key evolution (M-audio?) controller but it is terrible with win8.1x64, or even 7. Also keys a re not wighted at all-some velocity, that's it. I also like having a screen, even if it's tiny.
     
    I am a guitar player
     
    Thank you for your response-it's appreciated

     
     
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    Re: Midi keyboard controller 2015/04/11 20:54:44 (permalink)
    I have both a Roland A 49 and a Akai Synthstation 25. 
     
    The Roland is the perfect size for my desktop set up and was the best "feeling" keyboard in the store. It is full featured and came with Sonar LE which then got me X3 studio for $99 :) 
    I end up away from home with time to kill so I bought the Akai for travel. The keys are like a toy OK for Bass, drums or Organ. It is velocity sensitive but the cheap little keys are more synth than piano. The A 49 does piano OK, not weighted but I'm not much of a piano player anyway.  I tnd to use more Rhodes and Wurly sounds. I now have a digital drum kit too so no longer play drum parts on the keys. 
     
    Note that the Roland is USB powered which has never caused me trouble but it does have the option of powering it via the USB which would involve using a standard cell phone type wall wart and then using the real MIDI ports. 
    The Akai uses batteries which last forever or has a wall wart option too. You can sit under a Palm tree with your laptop and the Akai and have at it. You don't need an ipad for using it as a controller.The iPad is for using it as a live synth which is cool. to... 
     


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    Re: Midi keyboard controller 2015/04/12 09:45:03 (permalink)
    I've never used this one, but ...
     
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    Re: Midi keyboard controller 2015/04/12 10:57:42 (permalink)
    http://www.musiciansfriend.com/stupid?src=3TP3DRR&&noPopup=true&src=3TP3DRR
     
    Looks like the same deal only I guess mine goes to the Canadian site. 
     


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    Re: Midi keyboard controller 2015/04/12 11:51:14 (permalink)
    I now use a Novation Impulse - a superb controller and 100% reliable.
    I had (well still have in the cupboard!) an Akai MPK49 - beautiful controller / keyboard but the USB implementation seemed so very poor so there were continual problems with it dropping out. I don't know if all Akai's suffer from this  issue, just know mine was bad enough for me to have to buy a replacement.
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    Re: Midi keyboard controller 2015/04/12 12:08:44 (permalink)
    A keyboard with weighted keys that isn't 88/76 key is hard to find. I'm hoping a company picks up on them soon but I doubt it will happen.
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    Re: Midi keyboard controller 2015/04/12 12:51:29 (permalink)
    Thanks a lot folks- I guess even semi weighted is a stretch-also I really do not like to use usb powered equipment.
    Bandwidth is already stretched.
    I am in a home studio so wal warts are not an issue. I do like Ac power though. or batteries if they last.
    even though I am a guitar player I still find it so much easier to do bass lines and drums with weighted keys, but that will have to wait.
     
    Got some great ideas here so I'll check them all.
     
    Thanks very much for all the suugestions and help-much appreciated. I will just forget the weighted part and look for something with batteries or a real ac adapter input-must exist , well the akai has batteries.
     
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    Re: Midi keyboard controller 2015/04/12 20:10:58 (permalink)
    If you want "piano hammer action" kind of weighting then there seems to be nothing at 48 keys or less (I know a couple of pianists who've been after 4 octave piano-action boards for years and in the case of one of them at least money is little object).
     
    For synth-style weighting Roland (and Edirol) are good and very fast and easy to play but the aftertouch is as hard as Godzilla's futon. Novation have a poorer feel in my opinion (I find them a bit spongey) but have excellent aftertouch. M-Audio's product support (including issuing updated drivers) has been so poor over the last few years I don't run consider them for anything any more. Too much kit turned into paperweights because M-Audio failed to release drivers until years after a new Windows version came out if they ever bothered writing a new driver at all.
     
     

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    Re: Midi keyboard controller 2015/04/12 21:52:01 (permalink)
    Just to be clear, the Akai Synthstation has batteries, I'm not sure about other models. My old Roland P200 had batteries but the A 49 does not. 
    And I totally agree about avoiding USB powered devices if at all possible. But as I said,  so far I've had no issues after a year and 2 different computers. I use the USB 3.0 port which supposedly was made to supply more juice. But my older computer I used up until Dec. was only USB 2. After all, there is nothing else drawing power from my USB buss. All other devices have their own power. 
    Interface and digital drums are wall wart, Keyboard and mouse have batteries. 
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    Re: Midi keyboard controller 2015/04/12 22:10:26 (permalink)
    Thanks again-
    I was\am looking at the Novation Launchkey 25 and 49. Big , big plus for me is it's bus powered and ac adapter powered-just what I wanted. I like the brand name also. I still lean towards the 25 due to footprint and my desktop (actual, not windows) is limited.
     
    I created many bass lines and drum sequences with my lowly evilution and it's only 25 keys.
     
    Anyway, thanks again- you folks are great!
     
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    Re: Midi keyboard controller 2015/04/13 12:02:19 (permalink)
    If key feel is important to you, bump up to the Impulse. I have two impulses I use and they are fantastic boards. The LaunchKey felt cheap to me.
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    Re: Midi keyboard controller 2015/04/13 18:35:33 (permalink)
    If you make extensive use of Komplete, the Komplete Kontrol series is really nice.
    Fatar key-bed... and solid build (very similar button/knobs to Maschine).
    It's super convenient to be able to browse thru Komplete directly from the Keyboard.
     
    The new Akai Advance units (not released yet) also look really good.
    Similar features to Komplete Kontrol... but more support for 3rd-party instruments.
     
    I don't want to speak too soon... but it looks like we're in a "renaissance period" for MIDI keyboard controllers.
    Higher quality hardware... with a lot more attention focused on integration with software
     

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    Re: Midi keyboard controller 2015/04/13 19:04:32 (permalink)
    Yeah, I was enthused about the Arturia KeyLab 88 for that reason, but I'll keep reading reviews. There are so many libraries using Kontakt 5 that it seems I should think about heading that way at some point.
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    Re: Midi keyboard controller 2015/04/13 19:12:28 (permalink)
    The M-audio Axioms are pretty cheap if you don't mind buying second hand. The main reason i bought one of CL for 50$ is the semi weighted keys. Almost new condition. I got the guy to lower it a little because he lost the ac adapter and I made a big deal out of it even though i knew i would never use it. =P
     
    Pads are a little stiff (i think?), but respond well. Semiweighted feels WORLDS better than the no action midi boards on cheaper midi players.
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    Re: Midi keyboard controller 2015/04/13 21:30:35 (permalink)
    I looked at the impulse's from novation-this is not about $$$ btw, it's about desktop footprint (25 keys) and ac power.
     
    The impulses do "not" have ac power but the launch key does? weird to me. guess it's a cost factor for novation. I could use a usb power adapter with the impulse 25 but I don't know if that hurts (degrades) the capabilities of the keyboard. Using midi out and in. Plus I don't really have any midi ports available.
     
    I will look at the mauido axiom as mentioned also.
     
    But I feel like I am going to end up with the launchkey 25-ac power input and small footprint.
     
    Remember folks-we are only talking bass lines and some drums. mostly bass lines
     
    Thanks again for all the responses :-) 

     
     
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    Re: Midi keyboard controller 2015/04/14 11:37:22 (permalink)
    Unlike Digital Pianos, MIDI keyboards have absolutely no reference. Producers are free to make whatever they want, not only in terms of number of keys but also in keys size (length as well, even when the width is "full size") and the feeling.
     
    I recommend to visit some store and check what is better for you. Test that you can control velocity and you do not damage you fingers in continuous use. That is personal. For example, while piano player, I prefer short length not weighted Roland action over semi-weighted Akai or M-Audio.
     
    I do not think that as a guitar player you will search a guitar by the number of strings and connector placement, ignoring the type
     

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    Re: Midi keyboard controller 2015/04/21 14:25:49 (permalink)
    The Novation Impulse has the heaviest "semi-weighted" action I've ever experienced in a board.  It was too heavy for my style, but certainly heavier than most non-weighted controllers.

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    Re: Midi keyboard controller 2015/04/21 15:08:46 (permalink)
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    Unlike Digital Pianos, MIDI keyboards have absolutely no reference. Producers are free to make whatever they want, not only in terms of number of keys but also in keys size (length as well, even when the width is "full size") and the feeling.
     
    I recommend to visit some store and check what is better for you. Test that you can control velocity and you do not damage you fingers in continuous use. That is personal. For example, while piano player, I prefer short length not weighted Roland action over semi-weighted Akai or M-Audio.
     
    I do not think that as a guitar player you will search a guitar by the number of strings and connector placement, ignoring the type
     


    agreed. He brings about a good point. I only got the m-audio because it was in my price range. I already regret it only due to the fact that I got the 25 key. As a piano student 2 octaves just isn't enough.

    I just wish I had the budget for more options. I'd rather spend that huge chunk of money on some software package. Omnisphere 2 is coming out soon and kontakt 5 ultimate is on my list of must haves.

    Also I can't seem to find anything good and used under 200$
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    Re: Midi keyboard controller 2015/04/24 21:59:53 (permalink)
    Jim Roseberry
    If you make extensive use of Komplete, the Komplete Kontrol series is really nice.
    Fatar key-bed... and solid build (very similar button/knobs to Maschine).
    It's super convenient to be able to browse thru Komplete directly from the Keyboard.
     
    The new Akai Advance units (not released yet) also look really good.
    Similar features to Komplete Kontrol... but more support for 3rd-party instruments.
     
    I don't want to speak too soon... but it looks like we're in a "renaissance period" for MIDI keyboard controllers.
    Higher quality hardware... with a lot more attention focused on integration with software
     


    Could not agree more!!  These are the two to watch.  I see that the NI controller will be supporting 3rd party plugins soon as well.  So, there's a head to head competition shaping up here!  :-)
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    Re: Midi keyboard controller 2015/05/17 17:13:48 (permalink)
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    Unlike Digital Pianos, MIDI keyboards have absolutely no reference. Producers are free to make whatever they want, not only in terms of number of keys but also in keys size (length as well, even when the width is "full size") and the feeling.
     
    I recommend to visit some store and check what is better for you. Test that you can control velocity and you do not damage you fingers in continuous use. That is personal. For example, while piano player, I prefer short length not weighted Roland action over semi-weighted Akai or M-Audio.
     
    I do not think that as a guitar player you will search a guitar by the number of strings and connector placement, ignoring the type
     


    agreed. He brings about a good point. I only got the m-audio because it was in my price range. I already regret it only due to the fact that I got the 25 key. As a piano student 2 octaves just isn't enough.

    I just wish I had the budget for more options. I'd rather spend that huge chunk of money on some software package. Omnisphere 2 is coming out soon and kontakt 5 ultimate is on my list of must haves.

    Also I can't seem to find anything good and used under 200$



    Did you ever find one?
    I have a couple keyboards for audio, and an old Yamaha DX100 synth, but wanted better midi control, and deskspace ... made the same mistake with my Akai mpk25.. great for some things, but not 2-pawed piano.
     
    Yesterday I broke down and found a M-Audio Keystation 88 MKII Level 2 (whatever level 2 is), for $159 open-box at MF.
    http://www.musiciansfrien...88-mkii?condition=used
     
    I don't know much about them, but for that price I figured it would work for a guitarist like myself any way..... and thought of your post.

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    Re: Midi keyboard controller 2015/05/18 11:55:40 (permalink)
    Congrats. Level two means not mint, some kind of difference from absolute mint. I got a FSR Tele Std Ash at Christmas, that was Level Two and the plastic had been taken off the pickguard, which disqualified it from mint(Level One). It can mean a scuff or minor scrape. I  was thrilled with my deal.
     
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    Re: Midi keyboard controller 2015/05/18 13:08:10 (permalink)
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    Congrats. Level two means not mint, some kind of difference from absolute mint. I got a FSR Tele Std Ash at Christmas, that was Level Two and the plastic had been taken off the pickguard, which disqualified it from mint(Level One). It can mean a scuff or minor scrape. I  was thrilled with my deal.
     
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    Wow.... I love good deals like that, and not a huge fan of plastic-wrap anyway lol.
     

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    Re: Midi keyboard controller 2015/05/18 17:04:18 (permalink)
    The guitar was on sale the day after Christmas for $449, and they had an open box for less. So, I called them to ask what it meant(Level 2). The girl explained Level 2 to me and I thought "jump!". I got it for $359.99 and held my breath. I was very pleased when I opened the double box and found this superb example of butterscotch on ash with the traditional 3 brass saddles and reversed control plate, all of which I wanted! Now that model is $599 street.
          I don't know if I'd assume I'll be that lucky next time, but..........this deal was certainly "charmed"
     
    Back on topic, I wonder if anyone has gotten an Arturia KeyLab 88 and what kind of feedback it has. I like the idea of their synth collection being included. Since I am primarily a guitarist, first, I wonder how I'd rate it.
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    Re: Midi keyboard controller 2015/05/18 17:27:56 (permalink)
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    The guitar was on sale the day after Christmas for $449, and they had an open box for less. So, I called them to ask what it meant(Level 2). The girl explained Level 2 to me and I thought "jump!". I got it for $359.99 and held my breath. I was very pleased when I opened the double box and found this superb example of butterscotch on ash with the traditional 3 brass saddles and reversed control plate, all of which I wanted! Now that model is $599 street.
          I don't know if I'd assume I'll be that lucky next time, but..........this deal was certainly "charmed"
     
    Back on topic, I wonder if anyone has gotten an Arturia KeyLab 88 and what kind of feedback it has. I like the idea of their synth collection being included. Since I am primarily a guitarist, first, I wonder how I'd rate it.
    Michael




    That is a great deal, and I bet it don't play $200 cheaper. lol
    I can live with chips and dings, and can airbrush it if it's too bad.
     
    I had a few of the Arturia SoftSynths once upon a time, and I did like their sound.
    Wish I knew what happened to them now that I think about it. lol
     

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