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2016/09/16 20:19:43 (permalink)

Mind Machine

The opening 30 seconds of this song have been sitting on my hard drive for close to 15 years. I could never find my way to the next bit. One of my resolutions for 2016 was to force myself to take every song bit I start or open from an existing project and make something out of it. So, after 8 weekends of grinding through this song, this is what I came up with. I think it turned out better than I could have hoped for and I've found that sticking with something to the end can work, lol.
 
This is a rock instrumental, with some jazzy/fusion/orchestral stuff thrown in.
 
https://dancumpian.bandcamp.com/track/mind-machine

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https://soundcloud.com/dcumpian/mind-machine


 
Hope you enjoy the listen and any comments and/or suggestions are always appreciated!
 
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Re: Mind Machine 2016/09/17 02:34:46 (permalink)
Listening on SC as I type Dan.

This is top drawer stuff for sure... Excellent choice of sounds. Great composition. What is not to like?

Cheers

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Re: Mind Machine 2016/09/17 10:56:25 (permalink)
This is friggin' good!
 
The change-up in the 1:30 area was pretty spectacular. Your string lines at 2:50 are a killer piece of composing. The slightly funky groove rhythm coming in around 4:00, great transition.  The tom panning at the end is perfect.
 
So, about the only thing I can think of would be a little more lower midrange eq added back to the snare, which sounds like you hpf'd it around 800 hz? I dunno, I'm trying really hard to find something that could be improved. It's so good.
 
I think everybody on this forum should listen to this.
 
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Re: Mind Machine 2016/09/17 11:38:16 (permalink)
Very nice indeed.....My mind was Blown...in a spectacular way
...Thx for that ! 

 
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Re: Mind Machine 2016/09/17 13:05:06 (permalink)
Nice job Dan, it has a furry claw tapping groove.  The transitions are quite smooth, sounds very much like a soundtrack over titles that move with the changing scenes, thanks for sharing.

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Re: Mind Machine 2016/09/17 16:44:01 (permalink)
synkrotron
Listening on SC as I type Dan.

This is top drawer stuff for sure... Excellent choice of sounds. Great composition. What is not to like?

Cheers

andy



Thanks Andy! I think I just got tired of working on it, lol...
 
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Re: Mind Machine 2016/09/17 17:09:37 (permalink)
a new song from you is a treat Dan. This is no exception. love how the idea you started with from 15 years ago has essentially turned into one of your folky orchestral pieces bolted on top of a rock rhythm section. great ideas. superlative mix. think this must be in the top ten things I've ever heard posted on here.

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Re: Mind Machine 2016/09/17 22:15:53 (permalink)
Reminds me of a blend of Kansas, Eddie Jobson, and Vangelis...this is where I live!
 
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Re: Mind Machine 2016/09/17 23:09:16 (permalink)
really sweet! :)
 
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Re: Mind Machine 2016/09/17 23:19:21 (permalink)
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This is friggin' good!
 
The change-up in the 1:30 area was pretty spectacular. Your string lines at 2:50 are a killer piece of composing. The slightly funky groove rhythm coming in around 4:00, great transition.  The tom panning at the end is perfect.
 
So, about the only thing I can think of would be a little more lower midrange eq added back to the snare, which sounds like you hpf'd it around 800 hz? I dunno, I'm trying really hard to find something that could be improved. It's so good.
 
I think everybody on this forum should listen to this.
 
cheers,
-Tom




Thanks Tom!  No, I didn't HPF the snare, but I did cut the low mids on it using the SSL G. I thought it was too boxy there. So, good ears, but I like it without the boxiness. 
 
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Re: Mind Machine 2016/09/18 07:50:21 (permalink)
I enjoyed listening to that piece. It was very smooth and nicely put together. I have been worrying that I have so many unfinished bits and pieces that I will never finish or use, but it is really nice to see even after 15 years they might find a place.

Sorry for the the double post. I don't know what happened but It seems to have crashed when I hit reply!

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Re: Mind Machine 2016/09/18 17:04:33 (permalink)
bloody marvelous Dan - great journey
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Re: Mind Machine 2016/09/18 19:30:53 (permalink)
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Very nice indeed.....My mind was Blown...in a spectacular way
...Thx for that ! 




Thanks for the listen!
 
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Re: Mind Machine 2016/09/19 06:39:54 (permalink)
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Nice job Dan, it has a furry claw tapping groove.  The transitions are quite smooth, sounds very much like a soundtrack over titles that move with the changing scenes, thanks for sharing.




Thanks Wookiee! Glad to hear you enjoyed it!
 
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Re: Mind Machine 2016/09/19 07:55:17 (permalink)
Always a pleasure to hear your stuff Dan, it fits right in to the stuff I like to listen to for inspiration, Flying Colors, Big Big Train, Wolfstone etc. Brilliant track, really enjoyed it.

 
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Re: Mind Machine 2016/09/19 08:16:49 (permalink)
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a new song from you is a treat Dan. This is no exception. love how the idea you started with from 15 years ago has essentially turned into one of your folky orchestral pieces bolted on top of a rock rhythm section. great ideas. superlative mix. think this must be in the top ten things I've ever heard posted on here.




"folky orchestral"?? I'd like a definition Bob for 10 points...LOL. Thanks for the listen and I'm happy to hear that you enjoyed it!
 
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Re: Mind Machine 2016/09/19 14:23:58 (permalink)
Hello Dan, I very much like the piece, but I wonder if you could answer a question or two.  I would like to learn a few things about that so maybe it would help me be a better song writer.
 
How would you describe your workflow?
 
Do you do much cut and pasting of parts?
 
Do you know what sound your looking for before you load it into a synth, or do you search through presets and then tweak as you go?
 
How many aux sends do you generally use per track?
 
Do you do any major tweaking of the eq after tracking or do you just have an acute sense of what will work where?
 
How many different reverbs might you use, and which ones, to accomplish the depth that you achieve?
 
I could go on, but that is probably to many questions already.
 
Nice work, thanks in advance.
 
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Re: Mind Machine 2016/09/19 21:44:19 (permalink)
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Reminds me of a blend of Kansas, Eddie Jobson, and Vangelis...this is where I live!
 
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Thanks Bill! There is definitely a Kansas influence in this. Glad you enjoyed it!
 
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Re: Mind Machine 2016/09/20 08:26:03 (permalink)
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really sweet! :)
 
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Re: Mind Machine 2016/09/20 08:38:31 (permalink)
Very nice! It put me in a trance and pulled me right back out of it. Great work!
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Re: Mind Machine 2016/09/20 10:20:24 (permalink)
Glad you stuck with that original idea.  Excellent piece and superior execution.  Mix is spot on.
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Re: Mind Machine 2016/09/20 12:47:44 (permalink)
Many of you here blow my mind! Everything in place and mixed great!
 
This feels like a “Mind’s Eye” (Computer animation from the 90s Video)
They take you on a sonic and visual 3d anamated journey. Thank you for reminding me of a great time in my life! Now to find the videos. lol
  
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Re: Mind Machine 2016/09/20 15:07:10 (permalink)
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I enjoyed listening to that piece. It was very smooth and nicely put together. I have been worrying that I have so many unfinished bits and pieces that I will never finish or use, but it is really nice to see even after 15 years they might find a place.

Sorry for the the double post. I don't know what happened but It seems to have crashed when I hit reply!

John



Thanks John! While it was difficult pushing past the block I had on this song, there did come a point when I started to like it, LOL. 
 
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Re: Mind Machine 2016/09/20 15:20:16 (permalink)
Dan,
 
Have had a few listens to find something wrong with it and have given up:)   Great track, not only is the music captivating throughout, but the mix is really well done as well.   Terrific work.

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Re: Mind Machine 2016/09/20 22:38:13 (permalink)
Sounds good, nice mixing.   The overly plain rhythm of chords maybe could be spiced up a little:  half, half, whole, half half whole, half half whole. 
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Re: Mind Machine 2016/09/21 04:14:51 (permalink)
Nice composition with variable arrangement and orchestration. Good record and mix. Pleasant sounds. 


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Re: Mind Machine 2016/09/21 08:28:05 (permalink)
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bloody marvelous Dan - great journey




Thanks Daryl! BTW, have a great trip home!
 
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Re: Mind Machine 2016/09/21 13:55:10 (permalink)
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Always a pleasure to hear your stuff Dan, it fits right in to the stuff I like to listen to for inspiration, Flying Colors, Big Big Train, Wolfstone etc. Brilliant track, really enjoyed it.




Thank you James! Glad you enjoyed it!
 
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Re: Mind Machine 2016/09/21 17:42:17 (permalink)
It's great to hear that 15 years of boiling ideas can get through and be ready with this quality. I have had many old ideas myself I'm trying to complete but after a while I often realize that the old idea is to bad making something of and the only reason I "like" it is nostalgia.
 
The sound is gorgeous, terrific work as usual with the blend of sounds. A lot of sweet reverb, but it never gets muddy. Isn't that what we always strive for? Great job, Dan!

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Re: Mind Machine 2016/09/21 19:32:42 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby emeraldsoul 2016/09/21 21:32:56
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Hello Dan, I very much like the piece, but I wonder if you could answer a question or two.  I would like to learn a few things about that so maybe it would help me be a better song writer.

 
Thanks for listening! Glad you enjoyed the piece!
 
Jesse Screed
How would you describe your workflow?

 
It depends on the song, but usually it starts with some foundational element that defines the project. In this case, it was the opening organ, xylophone and drums. Over the 15 years, I would periodically open the project. Mostly, little changed, though the drums changed quite a bit. It is like painting with sound; I just add layers and blend stuff together until I like what I hear. Once I am happy with a section, I move on to the next section. I tend to fully develop sections as I go as I find that this gives me better direction and flow. It is the rare song where I know what the whole song structure will be at the start.
 
Jesse Screed
Do you do much cut and pasting of parts?

 
It depends on the part. In this song, the arpeggiated synth line and a couple of the string arpeggios were good candidates for reusing a phrase. I will sometimes lay out copies just to get a feel for timing of a section, then modify each clip by hand to change things up. For melodies, drums, and bass, I always record each phrase.
 
Jesse Screed
Do you know what sound your looking for before you load it into a synth, or do you search through presets and then tweak as you go?

 
In the beginning, I don't usually know what sounds I will use. The further along the project gets, then I do know what is missing. I'm looking for sounds that either complement each other or that will fatten a part by layering another sound.
 
Jesse Screed
How many aux sends do you generally use per track?

 
Read Mike Senior's book: "Mixing Secrets for the Small Studio" Best thing I edver read and really helped me learn a lot about mixing. I usually use a short reverb just for the drum room. Them another, long reverb for things like strings, horn, and so on. However, knowing which reverb is the trick because "Orchestral Hall" is generally not what I would use for an orchestra. Lead instruments usually have their own reverb/delays. Use delay where possible, reverb only as needed.
 
Jesse Screed
Do you do any major tweaking of the eq after tracking or do you just have an acute sense of what will work where?

 
Almost every track gets EQ'd, and usually compressed as well. I like the Waves SSL Channel strip and use that on most tracks except things like synth pads that may only need very specific EQ. On those, I will use FabFilter Pro Q2, but any surgical EQ will do. For strings, I like the Waves TG12345 channel. I generally like EQing tracks with these strips because there is no EQ plot. You must listen. And practice. If I get it wrong, I just reset the strip and start over.
 
Jesse Screed
How many different reverbs might you use, and which ones, to accomplish the depth that you achieve?

 
At a minimum, two on busses; one short, one long.
 
Jesse Screed
I could go on, but that is probably to many questions already.
 
Nice work, thanks in advance.
 
Jesse Q. Screed




You're welcome!
 
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Dan

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