Beepster
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Minimizing clip crackles on scream vocals with Sonar plugs?
I've been checking the tracks for an old album I'm working on and there is the occasional clipping right on the vocal tracks (the problem areas can literally be counted in seconds for a whole album worth of material). I don't have much of a choice but to use these takes. They aren't super bad and it's screamer vocals anyway so I think I may just be able to mask it enough so it's not noticeable. So far I'm thinking a combination of R-Mix, zooming in for some fine surgery and some creative effects might get me close. However I'm wondering of any other techniques you guys may know of that might help. I'm pretty much limited to the stuff that came with X2/X1 Production Suite. Thanks in advance.
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Re:Minimizing clip crackles on scream vocals with Sonar plugs?
2013/05/18 13:52:31
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To avoid these things, you need to check your gain stages in every part of your signal chain and make sure nothing is clipping and/or over-saturating a plugin effect. If you do that, you will not get any cackles when you scream If it was clipped when recorded, you can re-record it and/or try some restoration processes to get rid of it. some clipping when its done in the recording stage is hard to get rid of and sometimes it cannot CJ
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Re:Minimizing clip crackles on scream vocals with Sonar plugs?
2013/05/18 13:59:19
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Hi, Cjay... I know. I wasn't the recording engineer on this one. I just get to fix it. Re-recording isn't an option either so I'm stuck with what I've got. Like I said it's very few crackles on an otherwise stellar set of tracks. I'm pretty sure it can be tamed/masked somehow. Just thought I'd check in for some extra opinions as I'm sure many of you have been handed something like this before. Cheers.
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Re:Minimizing clip crackles on scream vocals with Sonar plugs?
2013/05/18 14:04:26
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I guess ideally I'd like to be able to get zoomed way in, remove the clips one at a time then smooth out the gaps somehow. I just don't know what kind of plug or technique could do this without sounding weird... but I'm sure I'll figure something out either way. Even if I have to try to make the clipping sound intentional. It is metal stuff after all.
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Re:Minimizing clip crackles on scream vocals with Sonar plugs?
2013/05/18 14:07:35
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to actually answer the OP question, use microscopic cross fades. you can clone small clip a few ms before or after peak and replace peak (and again blend with crossfades). or entirely cut clipped wave, nudge over entire phrase to fill space...generally only a single wave peak...and again cross fade. barely if at all noticeable.
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Beepster
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Re:Minimizing clip crackles on scream vocals with Sonar plugs?
2013/05/18 14:11:17
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Nice one, gerberbaby. I'll definitely give that a shot. Another way I was thinking was cutting out the clip/peaks then using time stretch to fill the gaps and then bounce the section back to one clip but I think your way would probably sound better. Thanks.
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Re:Minimizing clip crackles on scream vocals with Sonar plugs?
2013/05/18 14:17:11
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Aside from the stuff you already mentioned (you have reviewed the Anderton video), one solution outside of SONAR would be iZotope RX2. The demo is fully functional for 10 days.
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Re:Minimizing clip crackles on scream vocals with Sonar plugs?
2013/05/18 14:18:10
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I was trying to restore an old audio take that I had some crackling issues. I used a low pass filter first, almost got rid of it, and then used powercore decrackle. The only other programs I know of that also have restore functions are izotope RX and of course wavelab
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Re:Minimizing clip crackles on scream vocals with Sonar plugs?
2013/05/18 14:50:44
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Great stuff, guys. I'd never looked at RX before. Pretty pricey but if there's a full function demo I'll definitely be checking that out. I also have an ancient version of Wavelab on my old rig so I'll check that out too. I did find R-Mix to be really effective at some room noise removal so maybe... just maybe it's declicking function will help or some manual removal but I have a feeling that might take away TOO much. Maybe if I automate it. As far as the Anderton vids I really have to rewatch those. I watched them when I first bought Sonar and had no idea what the heck he was talking about. lol
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Re:Minimizing clip crackles on scream vocals with Sonar plugs?
2013/05/18 15:23:58
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Huh. That just made me realize it's been 1 year and 1 week since I first installed Sonar and joined the forum. Man... what a difference a year makes. ;-)
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Re:Minimizing clip crackles on scream vocals with Sonar plugs?
2013/05/18 15:28:43
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Hey Beep. Happy anniversary!
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Re:Minimizing clip crackles on scream vocals with Sonar plugs?
2013/05/18 15:40:20
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Heheh. Thanks, John. Man... this RX2 thing is crazy looking. Oh if only money weren't an object. :-/
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Re:Minimizing clip crackles on scream vocals with Sonar plugs?
2013/05/18 16:58:45
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Sound forge (and other stereo editors) can do the editing part. You can just draw in and hence flatten the loud parts. It is nondiscriminory tho - you flatten the entire signal. The R-mix thing might be good, too, tho I haven't played w/ it much. @
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Re:Minimizing clip crackles on scream vocals with Sonar plugs?
2013/05/18 17:07:31
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Never thought of it, but G-clip is a free clipper with OK sounding softsat. Not sure if it will do the trick for you but cliping it may be all you need. http://www.gvst.co.uk/gclip.htm
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Re:Minimizing clip crackles on scream vocals with Sonar plugs?
2013/05/18 17:11:18
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Don't forget the GVST plugins have 64bit native versions too. They reside in the Beta area. The author has been threatening to reorg the site and move those out of the Beta section of the site. Just has not found the time.
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Re:Minimizing clip crackles on scream vocals with Sonar plugs?
2013/05/18 21:33:27
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Beepster, I have successfully copied a short section of chorus to another section of chorus. Take a clip from a chorus that doesn't clip and lay it in another lane next to the one that clips. Then make extremely short clips that overlap the moment of clipping. I split the main lane and I use very fast fades at the clip ends and set the snap to 0 crossings. It may not do it for you, but it's cleaned up a take for me before that couldn't be re-recorded. Edit: On review this looks pretty similar to GerberBaby's suggestion.
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Re:Minimizing clip crackles on scream vocals with Sonar plugs?
2013/05/18 22:43:51
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You've come a long way in that year beep. RX2 is the bomb for this sort of thing. You'll have fun working with the demo.
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Re:Minimizing clip crackles on scream vocals with Sonar plugs?
2013/05/18 23:17:34
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I have used Sound Forge in the past to draw out the offending crackle spike
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Re:Minimizing clip crackles on scream vocals with Sonar plugs?
2013/05/18 23:35:05
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Sound Forge's Smooth/Enhance process works well for this.
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Re:Minimizing clip crackles on scream vocals with Sonar plugs?
2013/05/19 00:10:44
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as mentioned, ive done crazy stuff with isotope RX. took a 30 year old 4 track recording of vocals and made them sound digitally recorded, they were tape saturated and clipping everywhere. check out there demo for 10 days as cook said, good luck.
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Re:Minimizing clip crackles on scream vocals with Sonar plugs?
2013/05/19 09:05:46
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gswitz Beepster, I have successfully copied a short section of chorus to another section of chorus. Take a clip from a chorus that doesn't clip and lay it in another lane next to the one that clips. Then make extremely short clips that overlap the moment of clipping. I split the main lane and I use very fast fades at the clip ends and set the snap to 0 crossings. It may not do it for you, but it's cleaned up a take for me before that couldn't be re-recorded. Edit: On review this looks pretty similar to GerberBaby's suggestion. I have used this quite successfully numerous times to fix all sorts of issues..... it's a bit harder to use this in a verse because the verse lyric is usually different..... not impossible, just harder.
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