Minor 7 #5 Chords

OOOPS I didn't have my glasses on! So Excuse this minor7 flat 5 rant. See below.....
 
For me the simplest use is to think of it as a 9th/3( G9/B =G 9th chord over a B bass), ie Bm7b5 works great as a movement/stepping up from G or G7(so the root of your minor7 flat5 goes on the 3rd of whatever your Dominant 7th chord is. So I think of it as a lift to a leading tone chord (ie  G7 to C in the key of C)
 
One of the most common uses of it would be on the #4 or b5 position, like in God Only Knows where Bb minor7 flat5 "pushes or leads into" ( on the phrase "sure about it") Amaj7th of the chorus. This same use occurs in Cole Porters Night and Day (I'll have to check the lyrics to indicate where/when this one shows up), though it goes into a 4 minor (vs a 4 major).
 
In Clapton's Change the World or Because by the Beatles it is used as 2 chord following a 1 minor chord. Both of these examples happen to use C#m into D#m7 flat 5 going to G#7.
 
So, if you're using it in A minor, then 2 = Bm7 flat5 and it leads to E7, where you might have been playing D minor instead.
 
I like using them- the Dominant 7 #5, as a variation on the augmented chord. They add some spike-y ness to an already edge-y chord. So, switching from an A7 or A aug to an A7 #5 sounds pushy to me. I love how they are used in Spanish guitar music and latin stuff.
 
If you use it on the 2nd degree of the scale, it really emphasizes things and then you can use it again, on the 5 chord. It's like a 9th chord on the 5th degree, but sharp -up a fret, so it slides into the 5th nicely and then you can sharp the 5 of that one, too!
 
The Minor 7 #5 always feels "temporary". I don't think of using it much, but mostly use it as part of some kind of movement "during" that chord.
 
Nice work on your Falling Leaves track, and great tone on the guitar.
Michael
 

Thank you for listening Michael!!!
 
 
I have Chord Chemistry here somewhere. It is a ii7 chord sub. I really like the sound of that chord and use it quite a bit on my original tunes. It has it's own sound. You can put it in between chords as a dom 7 sub just about anywhere. It's a modern sound to me. I don't use a 4th in the chord cuz it makes it sound like a minor 7 over the 5th. (D-7/A) Oh well, breaks over so BACK TO WORK! 

I lived with that book when it came out in 71' or 72'. I wore out the pages. I did end up reordering it and I look though it every once in a while. I need it again 

@sharke    I've watched that one a few times, but really like the ones where he just plays at a wedding. Such a masterful knowing his way around any tune!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZENkj7C7Bw
Michael

I don't think about it, I hear it, and that makes it enjoyable, for me!
Michael

DeeringAmps
Don't forget, music "theory" is what lesser players/writers use to "explain" the things that "better" writers/players do.
Just sayin'...
At my age, music theory, like math, just makes my head hurt!
Tom

Are you serious?
 
IF you are:
Bill has now not only brought up an interesting post about how "conflicting" theoretical terminology of communicating minor with augmented ( or minor major 7ths) whether it be written or verbally communicated BUT he is also proof, without doubt, that your "words of wisdom" to explain musical "things" (as you say) is nothing more than an excuse for yourself as nobody with any ability to think at all could possible think that his knowledge of music theory has been detrimental to his guitar playing or creativity.
 
He is not a "lesser" player or "writer"- he is one of the most advanced and gifted guitarist to have contributed to the fora since I've been a member.
 
To many of the more advanced and talented members that are secure with themselves and have left rather than deal with the ignorant crap that's so often submitted. Rather than that happening I'd much rather read about how musicians deal with " theoretical contradictions" to communicate with others or process the information to hopefully add to their playing abilities.
 
If you're not serious....never mind.

If it gets "warmer" in here (this thread) it will be an argumentative chord! LOL
Perhaps, it's because of the demonic 7th........ or maybe a demented.....
 
My wife and I were talking, last night, about the place where I am completely flowing with the music and how that seems to be not like thinking, but it is a very high soaring place, and I am very glad to get there! I suppose it's more like channeling.....     Sometimes I would hear playback of recorded jams with my pals and say "that was really a cool lick, you did!" and they would say "that was you!" and I would have to listen to it to "learn" how to do it. That "place" fascinates me.
 
Michael

I'll take the fifth
or was it the #fifth
T
all seriousness aside; doing math (these days) in my head does make it hurt...

Bill, and others, as a keyboard player, I can slip finger up or down a black key and make all those chords work, and depending on what I do in my left hand, focus or support the chord.
 
I can drop a third or  add a pinky to make the 7th raised or dropped, other fingers diddle with the 3rd or 5th
 
Being a guitarist you have more of a spotlight on the chord formation and , from experience with my present guitarist, you can and will clash with proper chords.
 
IOW we can cover/fake quickly move to teh chord permutation, you, on the other hand, better know your s**t.

Being a guitarist you have more of a spotlight on the chord formation and , from experience with my present guitarist, you can and will clash with proper chords.
 
we can cover/fake quickly move to teh chord permutation, you, on the other hand, 
 
Here ya go : E Maj 9b5 - G-7#5 - F#11 - C Maj 7 is what I'm talking about. It keeps a minor 7 flavor I think is lighter and more pleasant to the ear
 

A5, B5, C5, D5, E5, F5 and G5!
 
      I LIKE IT!

One of my students used to say about me, "he's so into music, he even drives Accord".......
 

Chord Chemistry is every where.

Chord Chemistry is very inexpensive and easily found on eBAY-used or the new version (same book? w/new cover?).
$11.79/new is a total bargain! Also, I found lots of them on Amazon.
 
His long term partner also wrote a book about living with him;
My Life with The Chord Chemist: A Memoir of Ted Greene, Apotheosis of Solo Guitar by Barbara Franklin  (Nov 24, 2009)
 and then Premier Guitar just had this article on him
http://www.premierguitar.com/articles/19687-forgotten-heroes-ted-greene
 
I appreciate that all your comments and enthusiasm led me to finding out that I can easily buy a new copy, now. They used to be rare/hard to find. So, thanks to all for resonating all of our appreciation and enthusiasm for Ted Greene's genius, playing (and videos), and book.  This
Michael