Missing waveform and midi information after recording

Hi, guys,
This has happened to me a few times now, so thought to post it here to see if anyone else is experiencing it.
 
Upon completing a recording - I see the waveforms for digital audio and MIDI information in the track view.  I save the project (I'm confident I saved it).  For some reason, Sonar froze AFTER I saved the project.  Upon restarting Sonar and opening up the recent project - all the recently recorded / saved waveforms don't show up in the Track View.  I go into the audio folder - and the WAV files are there (confirming that I saved everything) , so I can simply re-import them back into the project - but I can't find the MIDI data to reimport?  So, 3 questions:
1. Is anybody else experiencing this? It's happened to me 3 times now.
2. Where does Sonar store the MIDI data for songs - I can't find it to reimport it into the project?  Is it integrated into the cwp file? 
3. Any ideas on a solution?
 
 
 
Thanks
Russ
 

Thanks Alex for the quick reply - I can still view post counts and signatures - they don't show for you?
But.. thanks for pointing that out - as I just realized my signature was outdated, still listing Sonar X2a - so I just updated it.  Yes, I'm running 3D producer - with an RME UFX - all the latest drivers, etc.
 
Also. when you say 'embedded in the cakewalk project folder' - you're referring to the individual project folder per song, right?  I looked in there and didn't see anything except for the cwp file & and audio data directory containing the WAV files. 
 

So if the midi information is embedded within the cakewalk project file - how do I re-import it back into the track?  Is that possible?

Mettelus -  Not, I recorded both audio and midi at the same time - no soft synths loaded.  I was tracking both a vocal mic and midi from V drums.  Upon conclusion of tracking, I saved the project - both the digital audio waveform (from the vocal recording) and the MIDI information (from the V drums) were both clearly visible in the track view, however shortly thereafter (about 30 seconds), Sonar crashed and once I restarted it and reopened the project, neither the digital audio nor the MIDI information was visible in the Track View.  I was able to reimport the wav file into the project for the digital audio, but wasn't able to find the midi file to reimport that.  
 
Thanks Brundlefly.  Very frustrating - something doesn't make sense, given I could see the data in the project AFTER I saved it.  I wonder if the crash started 20-30 seconds before the application actually freezing, thus causing something to go wrong during the save.  Very strange. 
 
 

In order to try and find out what happened, you might want to check out the Windows Event Viewer
Look for Sonarpdr.exe, right click on the red icon, Copy -> Copy Details As Text.
Thanks...
 
 

Hi Kalle,,
My platform is generally extremely stable, but the crashes seem to happen when recording MIDI or when using my Waves GTR plugin if I recall correctly.  The Waves GTR plug tends to be unstable enough over the years to dissuade me from using it.  I also could have a USB both are on different USB ports, but I have noticed flakiness when using both simultaneously. 
 
Switching to a different guitar amp sim & not using my control surface when recording MIDI seemed to be a good workaround until I can figure out the underlying issue. 
 
I'm not using a USB mic - I generally use a Neumann TLM102 or Rode NT-2.  I was more curious whether it was possible to reimport the MIDI data into the project, as I was able to do with the audio data, but it sounds like that's not possible.
 
Thanks Alex - I will look into the Windows event viewer to help isolate the issue.  Where can I find Sonar's crash dump in case I want to send that to Cakewalk Support?
 
 
Thanks All!
Russ
 

I have come up with a solution to the issue of how Midi is hidden with in a CWP file. 
You can take a CWP file, open it,  and if you save it as a MIDI file it will store just the midi data. I do this to "future proof" my projects. Now the Midi data could be opened in any DAW. 

It's funny that the 2 file formats I have used the most since my first Computer (Atari) in 1985 both MID and TXT can still be opened on any modern computer, PC and Mac and even Lynux. 
 
I don't save every project this way, only the ones I'm making my backing tracks with. I put a lot of time into the drums and that is of the most value to me. Audio seems to be saved as you go and is easily retrieved, but I put more time into MIDI on some projects and it sucks if that is a "hidden" entity by my software. Therefore the 15 seconds to do the "save as mid" is worth it to me.