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Mixing cymbals and hi-hats... ouch!
Ooof... my ears are ringing. Done my hi hats and ride but still gotta do the crashes and overheads. Think I better let my ears rest for a little bit. The funny thing is I'm doing this all at pretty low volume and mostly through the monitors. Powerful stuff this digital audio gack is.
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Re:Mixing cymbals and hi-hats... ouch!
2012/11/02 18:29:16
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Beepster
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Re:Mixing cymbals and hi-hats... ouch!
2012/11/02 18:33:43
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Mixing... more specifically EQing and applying effects VIA the Percussion Strip thingy. Man that thing really brings out the shine of... well everything. I'm just not used to a) this much power in regards to effects and b) having proper reference monitors/headphones to work with.
I used to do all this type of thing through my home stereo and a pair of crappy $30 Sony cans. Gotta be careful.
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Re:Mixing cymbals and hi-hats... ouch!
2012/11/02 18:50:25
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No need to crank it Beep!
Mix quieter and you can mix longer - and more accurately.
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Re:Mixing cymbals and hi-hats... ouch!
2012/11/02 18:57:08
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Hiya, Jonesey. I'm actually keeping it pretty low volume. I think my ears have just reverted back to being ultra sensitive which is kind surprising how much I abused them over the years. It's really not much louder than if I were watching a movie. I just think my ears aren't used to the super defined high frequencies the cans and monitors throw. I'm trying to bring out as much clarity in everything as possible and then I'll tame it down on the bus if necessary.
I think they're settling down a bit now. I'm gonna give it another ten minutes and get at the crashes. I really wanna finish this up so I can put my brain into some meatworld mayhem.
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Re:Mixing cymbals and hi-hats... ouch!
2012/11/02 19:00:23
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Yeah it's easy to burn your ears out when you're concentrating really intensely
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Re:Mixing cymbals and hi-hats... ouch!
2012/11/02 19:05:02
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I think it was you I was discussing this with a while ago. I find that even though I'm not really doing anything physical that mixing can be physically exhausting. Like in the sense I get actually tired as if I were digging a ditch... but more so because there isn't the blood/oxygen flow like with exercise. It's quite strange.
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Jeff Evans
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Re:Mixing cymbals and hi-hats... ouch!
2012/11/02 19:30:15
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If the hats and crashes are ouch then they are probably way too loud. Hats and crashes cut through amazingly well and can be very low in the mix and yet still very audible.
I have played in a band where everything was miked up to blazes except the hats and the OHeads were not yet the sound engineer used to tell me he could still hear them as clearly as anything. (when I used nylon tipped sticks that is)
You can HPF the hats and the crashes and even apply some nice HF shelving boost to them as well but then pull them way down in level and they will still be there.
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Re:Mixing cymbals and hi-hats... ouch!
2012/11/02 19:37:16
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Yup. That's pretty much what I'm doing. Got them sharp and crisp and had to bring them WAY down in volume in the mix. Sounds cool.
BTW these are raw BFD MIDI samples so they are also recorded really really well too so I'm sure that is contributing to the ear fatigue as well.
Hope you've been well, Jeff.
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Re:Mixing cymbals and hi-hats... ouch!
2012/11/02 19:48:55
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I am well Beep thanks very much. I play drums you see and have got lovely cymbals so that might help. Like Paiste and Zildjian crashes and rides and they sound great. I have also got a very old pair of New Beat hats too that date back to the 50's. I know that cymbals don't necessarily get better with age but these things record so well. I don't record with nylon tips either that tends to make them a little ticky for my licking.
What I have found and my son has really got me into this is how much different the attack of the note is on a ride cymbal when you change the wooden tip shapes on the end. The sticks can radically change how a ride cymbal and hats can sound. Hard to believe but true.
Samples might be a little more fatiguing due the repetitive nature of them so that could be a factor. As I don't use them I am not sure you see.
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Re:Mixing cymbals and hi-hats... ouch!
2012/11/02 20:06:42
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I miss playing real drums but I can no longer keep or play a kit anymore due to various factors. I'm glad that the technology has progressed to a point where the sensitivity and realism of the software and hardware has made it possible to more or less mimic the real deal. In fact that was one of my major concerns when I decided to go all in on this home studio mayhem. If I ever had the cash I'd like to start building a V-Drum kit but that stuff is EXPENSIVE so for now the padKontrol and a bit of mental elbow grease will have to suffice.
Cheers!
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