pathos
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Monitor burn in pre ARC?
Should new monitors be burned in prior to measuring with IK's ARC?
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Re:Monitor burn in pre ARC?
2011/12/03 14:03:50
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Good question. I just got new monitors today. But at the rate I'm going my monitors will be well worn in by time my ARC works. Mike
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Re:Monitor burn in pre ARC?
2011/12/03 19:34:07
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I would say not necessarily, but you might want to take more measurements as they burn in and especially after they are fully burnt in.
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Re:Monitor burn in pre ARC?
2011/12/03 19:39:38
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I don't know about anyone else, but if you took a thorough set of measurements now and after "burn in", I'd be curious to see how they compared.
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Re:Monitor burn in pre ARC?
2011/12/03 20:12:25
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Me too. I am of the opinion that the "burn-in" requirement is a myth. No one has ever offered a plausible technical reason why it should be required or what it might actually do. One manufacturer did say that speakers need a burn-in period of about 1 minute, which is performed at the factory as part of the standard QA testing. My theory is that we subjectively hear improvement over time not because the speaker's characteristics have changed, but because we have become accustomed to their sound. Burn-in considerations aside, it's still a good idea to spend as much time as possible listening to your new speakers while playing lots of well-made records. This has the effect of subconsciously acclimating you to their sound, adapting your perception to whatever shortcomings those speakers may have. It's a completely unconscious but a real, documented psychological phenomenon. Of course, you don't need to worry about any of that 'cause you've got ARC!
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Re:Monitor burn in pre ARC?
2011/12/03 20:52:19
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my thoughts..... set them up with ARC... then in a few weeks, check them again..... check them as often as you feel is needed. After all, you got it right there all the time.
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Re:Monitor burn in pre ARC?
2011/12/03 21:17:07
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bitflipper Me too. I am of the opinion that the "burn-in" requirement is a myth. Of course, you don't need to worry about any of that 'cause you've got ARC! I was just curious, from what I've read a burn in time does make sense, never heard anyone refer to it as a 'myth'. "Of course you have ARC.." - No, it's not a magic cure all but it does help a mix if you know how to use it correctly & subjectively.
post edited by pathos - 2011/12/03 21:22:20
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Re:Monitor burn in pre ARC?
2011/12/04 10:06:29
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This is probably "apples to oranges" but here goes... I almost always "exercise" new speakers when assembling an amp (guitar amps here). Meaning that I'll hook the speakers up to the variac and run them at about half power for a few hours. ie: two 8 ohm speakers rated at 30 watts each, in parallel = 4 ohm load, = 10 volts ac; yeilds 25 watts total dissipated power. Many botique builders "treat" the surrounds of their speakers with "magic dust" or "unobtainium"; generally "painting" the surround with acetone, real "scientific" stuff here. Its a commonly held notion that Celestion "Vintage 30's" require lots of exercise to get them right, in my experience Bit is spot on; "we subjectively hear improvement over time", especially with the Vint 30's; but I digress. I'm thinking that the "tweeters" in studio monitors aren't going to change much if at all. And the "woofers" tend to be much better built than the typical guitar speaker, at least compared the vintage style speakers I tend to use. Just my nickel.98's worth... T
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Re:Monitor burn in pre ARC?
2011/12/04 12:12:28
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You can find plenty of anecdotal evidence of the benefits of "burn-in", but they are all completely subjective and couched in the same vague platitudes used by advocates of magic rocks and $8,000 power cables. Online repetition seems to have elevated the belief into one of those common-knowledge "facts" that everyone accepts without evidence simply because they've heard it so many times. But I have never come across a single objective test that showed a measurable difference in performance before and after a post-manufacturing burn-in period. The most commonly-held theory is that woofers' suspension and/or spiders become more compliant after being exercised. There is a kernel of truth in this, as speakers do indeed need to be flexed after assembly - but only for around 10 seconds, after which there is no measurable benefit. So if you're blasting 105db white noise for a week into your new speakers, all you're doing is annoying your neighbors.
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Re:Monitor burn in pre ARC?
2011/12/04 12:25:46
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Returning to the original question, I'd point out that any sonic changes that might occur during a break-in period, even if they were substantial, are going to be miniscule and inconsequential compared to the relatively enormous effects of room acoustics that you're trying to mitigate with ARC. So the answer is: it doesn't matter.
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Re:Monitor burn in pre ARC?
2011/12/04 12:46:43
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http://www.audioholics.com/education/loudspeaker-basics/speaker-break-in-fact-or-fiction
post edited by mike_mccue - 2011/12/04 12:52:59
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Re:Monitor burn in pre ARC?
2011/12/04 17:36:54
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I would use ARC now as they are and then in a few months of use try re measuring the room/speakers. You may find a difference, you may not.
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Re:Monitor burn in pre ARC?
2011/12/04 18:44:12
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Yeah, I've taped the floor for future measurings, knowing that 'things will change' (room, subs, furniture, etc.)
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