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Re:Monitor speakers whine
2011/09/09 10:36:24
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Using the ground life adapter will let you know if the hum is ground related. You can run an ungrounded circuit with relative safety IF you have it on a GFCI (ground fault circuit interrupter) so that if a fault to ground occurs the GFCI will shut the circuit off automatically when it hits that magic 6ma current to ground. (they are in all kitchens and bathrooms and outside recpts in houses now). Bedrooms and living rooms generally do not have them since they are not required there. Power supplies that come with a device that is audio related are usually designed to be filtered to the point that hum is not induced through the factory power supply. Case in point: I have a simple Aiphone intercom in my house between the kitchen and the bedrooms... I tried to save money by using a decent quality power supply that I normally use for alarm stuff...it was the existing door lock power supply..... the result was hum & noise out the wazoo... I bought the factory supply for a princely sum and the system ran totally quiet like it was supposed to. So if you are not using the factory supply, it could very well be that the supply you are using is inducing a small amount of noise and hum into the circuits.
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Re:Monitor speakers whine
2011/09/09 11:02:13
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Unless he's moved and unless I'm mistaken, montezuma is in Hong Kong. standards are not the same in Hong Kong as they are in the US.
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Re:Monitor speakers whine
2011/09/09 17:31:14
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I have moved Beagle...I'm back in Australia now. At the end of the day I think whatever noise is coming through is not a big deal. When I play music through the speakers the fizz/ buzz is completely masked...you wouldn't know it's there. Having said that...I'd love to find a fix. My gfx card is one that runs on power directly from the PSU (as opposed to merely off the motherboard)...I've read several theories that the gfx card in some way relates to the interference...and that might be plausible given that my display and the things I see on the screen and the things I do with my mouse on the screen accentuate and influence how drastic the buzz is.
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Re:Monitor speakers whine
2011/09/09 17:36:28
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Guitarhacker...do you think that even power cables such as the ones used from the PSU to the wall could influence things? I would not know if I am using the exact cord that came with my PSU...likely not...nor the exact cords that came with my speakers. I just noticed upstairs that my mobile phone is charging...there was a squeaking/ buzzing sound coming from somewhere...I pinpointed the sound to the actual charger that was plugged into the wall going to my mobile phone. The large bulky part of the charger right in the wall was squealing and buzzing right there on the wall...it's possible that the charger isn't the one that came with the phone...just one with the same connecting end that goes into the phone.
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Re:Monitor speakers whine
2011/09/09 17:50:31
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I had the same problem and it was a bad cable. The whine responded to the mouse so I tried other mice and no mouse but the whine was still there just didn't react. I forget which cable was bad but it had nothing to do with the mouse. John
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Re:Monitor speakers whine
2011/09/09 20:05:02
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I'd be inclined to blame the proximity of the firewire port on the mobo to the mouse usb port on the mobo...they are right next to each other. I'm not saying it's the mouse...but the mouse is linked to the noise in some way because when I scroll a webpage up and down the buzzing coincides with the movements I make with the mouse...the mouse controls the way the screen is manipulated/ what happens on the screen...etc. Interesting to me that the headphone out from the Firebox is crystal clear/ no buzz...but the speakers buzz. Maybe my trs cables out of the Firebox and into the speakers suck. A lot of people with onboard sound have reported the same sync'd buzz in conjunction with mouse movement and they say that going to Control Panel/ audio options/ mute line in/ mic makes the buzz disappear. I don't have onboard sound though. It is disabled in bios.
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Re:Monitor speakers whine
2011/09/09 21:27:23
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the power cord would not do that.... they're pretty much all the same. I have an international voltage converter/charger that has an audible high pitched sound when it's plugged in. That is the electronics inside the charger.....
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Re:Monitor speakers whine
2011/09/09 21:35:04
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I'm using a converter for the plugs that I brought back from HK...here in Australia the voltage and power is the same as HK...only the actual jack is different. I'd think about that as a cause for starters...but the same buzz used to occur in HK with all HK plugs and no converters.
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Re:Monitor speakers whine
2011/09/10 09:39:18
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The converter is simply a passive device that changes the outlet's configuration so it would not add anything to the equation. If the same buzz is occurring in both places.... I would say it's in the system somewhere and not in the wiring of the house or apartment. See if you can pop in some different monitors and see if the noise is still there. \ edit: if the noise is NOT on a recorded track.... you know it's not in the signal chain up to the track input. So it's getting into the chain somewhere after that..... in my system that leaves three things to check. 1. the interface output stage 2. the connecting cable between the interface and the monitors 3. the monitors. I assume you have checked the cables since they are the easiest to check.... the next easiest thing to check is the monitors. You can also unplug the interface from the computer...if you are powering it from a wall wart. That eliminates the possibility of noise from the computer riding the USB cable. Using these strategies, it should be easy to narrow down the suspects and find the noise source. Divide & Conquer.
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Re:Monitor speakers whine
2011/09/10 10:34:47
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Hi montezuma Are you running proper balanced audio leads between the firebox and the Mackie MR5 monitors. It has been mentioned above but not what sure your setup is or if you are or not. The reason I say this is because recently I had a rather larger job to do using the latest IMac and ProTools 9. I was provided with these things for the duration of the job. I was not using a soundcard with the IMac just the headphone out. So I connected a mini stereo jack out to two RCA plugs which I adapted to 6.5 mono jacks and fed this into my digital mixer. It all worked fine except I got the same whining and digital noise that you are describing. Mine was pretty loud and bodering on unacceptable. Anyway I read an interesting article in our Audio Technology magazine describing the best way to connect Ipods and I Macs and things to a mixer. There is the standard lead I mentioned above of course but a better way is to wire the standard unbalanced stereo out into two balanced inputs on the mixer (not connecting the earth pin but using pins 2 and 3 instead or TR only) Anyway after doing this all sign of this noise completely disappeared. So if you have not done this yet try a full balanced (TRS to TRS/Cannon) lead from your firebox to the MR5's and see what transpires. (both speakers as well not just one either) It is also better because you will get a 6db gain increase for nothing. I use Mackie HR 824's and I have got them connected balanced to the monitor outs on my Yamaha digital mixer which are also balanced and I have never had a problem. A good rule of thumb is if you are connecting an output to an input and both are balanced then keep them that way.
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Re:Monitor speakers whine
2011/09/11 08:46:08
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Beagle you're using Firefox. Firefox doesn't work with the forum software. use IE or Chrome. I use Firefox 3.6 and it works fine with the forum John
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Re:Monitor speakers whine
2011/09/11 21:52:43
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I'm using Firefox 6.0.2 Thanks for all the suggestions everyone...I'll have to go through all of them one by one and see if I can solve the problem. Thanks again.
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Re:Monitor speakers whine
2011/09/11 22:41:19
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montezuma I'm using Firefox 6.0.2 Thanks for all the suggestions everyone...I'll have to go through all of them one by one and see if I can solve the problem. Thanks again. I tried 6.0 but went back to 3. Firefox 6 screwed up too many things including this forum.. John
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Re:Monitor speakers whine
2011/09/12 04:12:03
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montezuma, Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but... welcome to the firebox whine/noise/hum issue. http://forums.presonus.com/posts/list/3416.page http://www.mutimusic.com/2/news/uncategorized/production-how-to-get-rid-of-that-whine/ http://www.gearslutz.com/...est-another-brand.html just google it. (I've got to admit that I started reading this thread and was thinking, 'has he got one, has he?, he hasn't mentioned it..., had to laugh when you finally mentioned the Firebox... was thinking 'I knew it!) I would say it is the firebox. Don't waste any more valuable hours on this. To put your mind at ease regarding your monitors, try turning up the headphone port on the Firebox to max and you should get the same whine/noise through your cans as I do. I have exactly the same issue. AND IT DRIVES ME CRAZY! When I connect a 12v 1000ma power adaptor, it does get slightly better but still there. The point I have now reached (after hours of diagnosis) either ignore it as it doesn't seem to be recorded in Sonar, or get a new interface. I'm considering the latter. The preamps are a bit too quiet anyway, just did an acoustic recording with a XY set-up and the noise floor is crazy. Good luck.
post edited by SilverfoxUK - 2011/09/12 04:22:48
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Re:Monitor speakers whine
2011/09/13 03:08:22
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Right on SilverFox...I wouldn't be surprised. The Firebox, what with it's 24/96 scandal and other dubious asides, could very well be the proverbial elephant in the recording room. And yeah, the whine doesn't record to track. And yeah, I have been thinking about a new soundcard for some time now...but which one? Any suggestions?? I've had my Firebox since 2004.
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Re:Monitor speakers whine
2011/09/13 03:56:25
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Ha, well, we are in the same boat. I've had my Firebox for about 4-5 years too. Thing is that I hear the preamps on the Firebox are good and would be hard pressed to beat around the same or even more money. I was looking at the RME fireface but I was thinking about micing up my guitar (stereo x2 mics) and recording vocals at teh same time and realised I would need 3 XLR inputs. The RME doesn't even have that, and for £500, I'm not sure it is worth it. My issue is that I just built my new machine (see below) and it is lovely, but I specifically got the motherboard for the firewire. It would be sad to have gone to all that expense to now go USB. So, I also ask. Any suggestions for a good priced 'bang for buck' interface for a home user that is a step up from the FireBox? Cheers. (Monty, when you turn up the headphones to the max, you can hear the same whine, yes?)
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Re:Monitor speakers whine
2011/09/13 04:18:38
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I don't really have any suggestions...I don't actually use the Firebox pre's anymore because I just run my MPS Gold preamp through the Firebox...so the Firebox is just acting as my interface between my MPA Gold and my PC. I just read a whole bunch of stuff on the Presonus forums and have read a stack of google searches. There's all kinds of schools of thought and very little in the way of consensus. You get that with the proliferation of PC builds. Anyway...I guess I am looking for an interface to...well...interface my PC with my MPA Gold. I only need 2 mic inputs at a time. Is it only these Presonus products which have fuzz/ buzz/ hum issues with some mobo's? Because I don't mind about switching to usb...especially if my mobo happens to be one that has terrible firewire configurations. Anyway...two heads are better than one Silverfox...let's try to work it out huh!?
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Re:Monitor speakers whine
2011/09/13 04:53:41
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I've had great results using Firewire with the Focusrite Saffire Pro. Mine's an older model now, the 26 I/O, but I reckon it's worth checking out some of their newer offerings.
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Re:Monitor speakers whine
2011/09/13 05:36:33
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I'm leery about firewire I suppose...plus with the MPA Gold as my preamp...I'm not sure I need any kind of soundcard interface that boasts great pre's...thanks for the suggestion though.
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Re:Monitor speakers whine
2011/09/13 05:56:25
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if you don't want to pay for "great pres" and you are not wanting firewire (which, I have and love myself, BTW) then I'd suggest something like the m-audio delta 44 or 66. PCI, solid drivers, line inputs only, no pres. but also only line outputs which could be a problem if you want/need headphone outputs.
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Re:Monitor speakers whine
2011/09/13 07:59:36
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Good suggestion...but yeah I need headphone outputs...and as far as firewire...I'm not against it...unless my mobo happens to be one that doesn't suit audio/ firewire stuff because of its layout/ proximity/ interference detriments.
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Re:Monitor speakers whine
2011/09/13 08:16:54
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Re:Monitor speakers whine
2011/09/13 15:49:16
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So, did you try a DI box? When I use my laptop for live gigs, there are 2 ways to prevent the same thing you have from happening: 1. Put a ground lift on the power supply for the laptop 2. Use a DI box R
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Re:Monitor speakers whine
2011/09/13 19:17:02
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I'm not using a laptop. DI box? Everything is grounded here.
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Re:Monitor speakers whine
2011/09/30 03:18:32
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Ding dong! My 6+ year old whine/ buzz/ electrical noise interconnected with the mouse wheel movement troubles are over. All I had to do was disconnect the Firebox, put the poor thing in the corner, connect the new RME Fireface UC I just bought...and now...my monitors sit there purring...no noise whatsoever...just the gentle pur you hear with your ear right next to the cones. I'll never know what the exact cause was and won't be troubleshooting it anymore.
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Re:Monitor speakers whine
2011/09/30 05:07:52
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Fantastic news! Glad you got it sorted.
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Re:Monitor speakers whine
2011/09/30 05:42:34
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Yeah a solution of sorts...but regardless it's awesome to hear nothing coming from my speakers
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Re:Monitor speakers whine
2011/09/30 05:44:01
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...nothing that shouldn't be...
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Re:Monitor speakers whine
2011/09/30 09:28:46
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Re:Monitor speakers whine
2011/09/30 15:19:03
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Well...there's nothing wrong with the speakers...but thanks anyway
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