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Monitors for Studio Upgrade

Good monitors as an upgrade to my trusty Rokit 5's?  JBL LSR 308, Adam Audio, Yamaha, or something else? Looking for larger than 5 inch this time. Don't wanna break the bank, but willing to spend a bit for quality. Who's faves can be recommended? Thanks.

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    Re: Monitors for Studio Upgrade 2018/04/13 14:49:31 (permalink)
    LSR308's.  There is a new version recently released.  
    I had Samson Resolv 6.5a speakers and always had problems with the bass in the mix.  When I upgraded I went to the LSR308's because of the bass problems.  I've had these several years and almost always "nail" the bass the first mix.

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    Re: Monitors for Studio Upgrade 2018/04/13 14:57:43 (permalink)
    I use Yamaha HS7, the HS8 is a bit too large for my room. Doubt that is much of an upgrade to what you have already though, seem to be in the same pricerange. 
     
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    Re: Monitors for Studio Upgrade 2018/04/13 15:59:42 (permalink)
    look at the new budget ADAMS......
    in a 8"
     
     

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    Re: Monitors for Studio Upgrade 2018/04/13 19:15:48 (permalink)
    Will look at the Adams, thanks. I have heard lots of good things about the JBL's and they can be had for a discount at the moment, but I am willing to spend a bit more if I can get a discernibly better product.

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    Re: Monitors for Studio Upgrade 2018/04/13 19:29:01 (permalink)
    having read a review of the new Adams, they are a 7" model, and the review was very positive, although it said it was best for Rock music, and I do a pretty wide mix, including a lot of contemporary and other jazz stuff. But the price was really good considering they have Class D amps and other features the more expensive Adam monitors have. But I would guess you get what you pay for in some instances, but these might be a nice comparison with the JBL 308 model.

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    Re: Monitors for Studio Upgrade 2018/04/13 22:48:45 (permalink)
    Have you considered the M-Audio BX8a?  They don't make them anymore, but I think there's a replacement or you can find some used or NOS.  I was in the market for new monitors last year.  I looked at Rokkit, JBL, Adams, and Yamaha.  I settled for the HS8s because I needed totally neutral monitors for mixing.  I also have an old pair of the BX8a's and for monitors with some "color", to me these have a very warm sound, nice low and tight highs. Not muddy like the Rokkits or JBL.  Adams sound slightly fuller, but are also more expensive.
     
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    Re: Monitors for Studio Upgrade 2018/04/14 00:33:47 (permalink)
    I've been eyeing the presonus eris studio series. I'm still using the first gen event 20/20s from 2002 lol

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    Re: Monitors for Studio Upgrade 2018/04/14 04:17:58 (permalink)
    Yamaha HS7s with the sub
     
    A client recommended I seriously check them out.  Wouldn't have bothered otherwise.
    He's got a commercial studio with $20k monitors... and (ironically) prefers to mix on the HS7s.
    Got a pair and the matching sub.  He was absolutely right.
    Replaced my 20 year old Mackie HR824s.
     

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    Re: Monitors for Studio Upgrade 2018/04/14 13:16:59 (permalink)
    Last fall I picked up a pair of Presonus Sceptre 6 monitors after comparing them to a number of others. Among other things I probably should have waited till the prices dropped<G>, they seem to sell now for under $1K for a pair. My space is relatively small, so the 8" version seemed like overkill.

    There is some marketing nonsense with which I wish they would dispense, I think it reduces credibility. But that's the only complaint I can come up with.
     
    • They sound great, which is to say I like the way my favorite albums (and mixes) sound.
    • The stereo image is remarkable. (My current mains are also co-axial, but a very old design, and mounted as mains, so there will be a difference).
    • The lower octaves are there, but as one might expect from a 6" driver, it could extend a little further for some of the things I do. I will be adding their matching sub-woofer this spring.
    • They are among the least fatiguing monitors I've ever used. I can work with them for hours without feeling like I'm starting to miss things.
    • They get loud - not loud enough to hurt, but certainly loud enough to get the idea.
    I also have a pair of first generation JBL LSR305's, which I also enjoy, and they make a nice counterpoint to the Sceptres. For the most part (there are exceptions of course) I always feel like the Sceptres are a little more "honest". The JBL's sound pretty, which is cool, and always a good test, but sometimes it feels like they are masking things a little bit.
     
    I know I could do even better, there are some outstanding monitors out there these days. But  I'll really need to pinch pennies because the next upgrade for me would probably be Bluesky or Barefoot, and they are in another price category! And while it would be nice, there is no justification for such a purchase right now.

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    Re: Monitors for Studio Upgrade 2018/04/14 19:18:05 (permalink)
    Jim, that's good to know--I just had my eye on those Yamaha's for the past two days...Our band just got a new set of Yamaha PA speakers and they are killer, too. I wouldn't necessarily have looked in that direction. Now I am drooling. For the $$$, I bet they are a great value. 

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    Re: Monitors for Studio Upgrade 2018/04/14 20:29:36 (permalink)
    Or is the HS8 worth it, and maybe not need a sub?
     

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    Re: Monitors for Studio Upgrade 2018/04/14 20:53:23 (permalink)
    I like my Yamaha MSP7 monitor. If 8" is too much and 5" not enough, maybe this 7" would suit you well.
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    Re: Monitors for Studio Upgrade 2018/04/15 17:23:46 (permalink)
    I’m using a set of four old Roland DS-90a digital monitors.  They’re dated but still great monitors, in my opinion.  My signal path is digital all the way up to the speakers.  I’m sure the newer monitors sound great, but my ears are so accustomed to the DS-90s I figure I may as well stick with them for as long as they last.  

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    Re: Monitors for Studio Upgrade 2018/04/16 13:13:55 (permalink)
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    Or is the HS8 worth it, and maybe not need a sub?



    The client who recommended the HS7s has also used the HS8s.
    He told me to avoid the HS8s (don't have the clarity of the HS7s).
    Having used nearfields with 8" woofers for over 20 years, I was reluctant to go with anything smaller.
    Hooked up the HS7s and the matching sub... and could instantly hear details that were missed with my HR824s.
    Takes just a few minutes to get the sub level dialed in (reference some commercial mixes that are familiar).
     
     
     
     
     

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    Re: Monitors for Studio Upgrade 2018/04/16 16:13:54 (permalink)
    Thanks Jim.  That sounds like a solid choice. Coming from a 5 inch system, I'm sure the HS7's would be fine, and at the moment I have no subwoofer and so I usually have to experiment with the bass frequencies or it gets too muddy after mixdown and I have to go back in and dial it back. With this combo I figure there will be less guesswork and more efficient mixing/mastering process. I am assuming the HS8 subwoofer is the one to get to match, or is there another one that you'd recommend?

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    Re: Monitors for Studio Upgrade 2018/04/16 17:32:35 (permalink)
    The HS8 subwoofer is the one I'd recommend.
    Really great combination... and relatively affordable (as studio monitors go)

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    Re: Monitors for Studio Upgrade 2018/04/16 21:58:53 (permalink)
    I picked up a great little GEM of a sub from Rockville.  I know, I've never heard of them either but for $140 it's a really good value, sounds pretty decent, and has all the right connections and adjustments to get the exact sound you want.  I'm only using for the bottom end missing in the HS8s...and I have a small space, so it helps to have the x-overs to dial everything just right to where you don't even know it's there.
     
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    Re: Monitors for Studio Upgrade 2018/04/18 21:20:15 (permalink)
    If your looking for a budget conscious buy - you might let demo availability play a part in the decision. When I was looking about two years ago, Sweetwater had a demo pair of LSR4328's available, with warranty - both for 500.   I normally do not buy used - but with a warranty and the price, I had nothing to lose.  I am really REALLY glad I did.   :o) 

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    Re: Monitors for Studio Upgrade 2018/04/18 22:43:15 (permalink)
    One thing not mentioned here is to be aware that many monitors, ike the HS series are rear ported. I was hoping to replace my NSM 10's with those but I cannot use rear ported. 

     
     

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    Re: Monitors for Studio Upgrade 2018/04/19 21:11:41 (permalink)
    Johnny, what is the reason you cannot use rear-ported monitors? I need some education on this.

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    Re: Monitors for Studio Upgrade 2018/04/20 02:32:19 (permalink)
    Yamaha's MSP series are front ported. That's the main reason I got them.
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    Re: Monitors for Studio Upgrade 2018/04/20 03:47:25 (permalink)
    All my studio monitors are Mackies. No regrets!
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    Re: Monitors for Studio Upgrade 2018/04/20 13:31:27 (permalink)
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    Johnny, what is the reason you cannot use rear-ported monitors? I need some education on this.

    If your monitors are positioned fairly close to the wall(as most home studios are), the rear ports will fire against it, and cause your lower frequencies to appear louder than they really are. That will cause you to make bad decisions when mixing. I remember when I got my first monitors(Tannoy Reveals), the manual recommended putting foam in the rear ports to help with that effect. It helped, but it still hyped the low frequencies.
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    Re: Monitors for Studio Upgrade 2018/04/20 14:16:54 (permalink)
    To the OP, don't take this the wrong way I'm just curious as nobody asked, what's the condition of your room?  Treated? Tuned?
    Small (say 6' x 6')? Tiled echo chamber?
    *Sometimes* adding a sub is the worst thing you could do...YMMV....
     
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    Re: Monitors for Studio Upgrade 2018/04/20 18:38:45 (permalink)
    Current room is open, not treated, many windows--in other words, an acoustical mess. But still I manage to mix well as I learn more about the room (past year only). I am going to build a new studio building, so it will be much better when that is completed. And at that point, but sub will most likely be a great addition. My biggest problem is always having too much bass in the mix, due to not having a sub and having small monitors, but I've learned to compensate for it pretty well finally, after a lot of practice.

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    Re: Monitors for Studio Upgrade 2018/04/20 19:24:28 (permalink)
    FWIW, You don't want to place any near-field monitors super close to a wall.

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    Re: Monitors for Studio Upgrade 2018/04/20 20:44:52 (permalink)
    Define super close please, 6 inches, 2 ft etc... Thank

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    Re: Monitors for Studio Upgrade 2018/04/22 20:00:15 (permalink)
    This explains it better than I could.  It's more complicated that any one measurement. 
    http://arqen.com/acoustics-101/speaker-placement-boundary-interference/
     
    But it's important to which monitors you  purchase if you cannot change where they sit. 
    I would like to get the HS 5 someday but I would need to move my whole set up first. 
    SO for now the NMS 10 are fine. 

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    Re: Monitors for Studio Upgrade 2018/04/23 05:52:13 (permalink)
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    This explains it better than I could.  It's more complicated that any one measurement. 
    http://arqen.com/acoustics-101/speaker-placement-boundary-interference/

    Great article.  Thanks for sharing.

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    Cakewalk by Bandlab
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    Intel Core i7  8700, 32Gb RAM
    Focusrite Scarlett 18i20
    V-Studio VS-700
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    Windows 10 Professional 64-bit
    ...and a whole bunch of other stuff.
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