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2017/06/07 11:20:27 (permalink)

Mono to Stereo Improvement Request

Hey everybody,
 
I've just worked on a project with lots of separate left/right tracks, each of them in mono.  To work on one track instead of two, I wanted to combine the two mono tracks into one stereo.  Here's what I did:
 
  1. Import the two mono L/R tracks from the browser.  One mono track for left, one mono track for right
  2. Pan the left mono track hard left, pan the right mono track hard right
  3. Select the two tracks
  4. In the tracks view, click Tracks, click Bounce to track(s)
  5. In the Bounce to Tracks dialog box, choose my options and go
  6. Rename the new stereo track
This works just fine and I got what I needed.  Then a buddy of mine on Studio One asked why did I do all that.  He can select the two mono tracks in the S1 browser and choose "merge to stereo" and its done and he only imports the final stereo.
 
Can Sonar accomplish this task this more efficiently?
 
Thanks!


Donny
 
 
 
 

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Re: Mono to Stereo Improvement Request 2017/06/07 14:25:40 (permalink)
I have been looking for such a function for ages. Logic does it too. I'm pretty sure it can't be done in Sonar that quickly/easily.
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Re: Mono to Stereo Improvement Request 2017/06/07 15:54:49 (permalink)
reading up, it appears that even Logic requires you to bounce the tracks as behind the scene it still retains the two mono files as mono files... one option might be to use Sound Forge or equiv audio editor and do the merging there.
File- Open
Check "Merge L/R to Stereo"
Highlight the 2 files you want to combine
save as desired format. then import that directly. 
 
it would be nice to simply drag and drop two files onto a track and have it automatically merge as an interleaved stereo track...

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Re: Mono to Stereo Improvement Request 2017/06/07 16:38:05 (permalink)
I've got Adobe Audition so I'll check there also.  I don't do this often, and there's flexibility to leaving everything as mono, but that's really efficient the way S1 handles it.

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Re: Mono to Stereo Improvement Request 2017/06/07 17:09:52 (permalink)
I think Cubase does as well. In a way I like the flexibility I just wish it would change the console channel to suit to stop doubling of sounds.

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Re: Mono to Stereo Improvement Request 2017/06/07 17:36:26 (permalink)
I've tried various ways to make this happen, because of receiving projects done in Pro Tools where stereo tracks are treated as dual mono. I've never been able to figure out anything other than bouncing.

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Re: Mono to Stereo Improvement Request 2017/06/07 18:12:09 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby glennstanton 2017/06/08 16:41:02
If there is a recognizable pattern to the file names, it should be easy to script a solution to batch convert files using ffmpeg. Still not as simple as a function built into the DAW. The basic command line to merge audio is
ffmpeg -i left.wav -i right.wav -filter_complex "[0:a][1:a]amerge=inputs=2[aout]" -map "[aout]" output.wav


For example, select any two wav files of the same length and drop them into a batch file containing this line to create a file called output.wav
ffmpeg -i %1 -i %2 -filter_complex "[0:a][1:a]amerge=inputs=2[aout]" -map "[aout]" output.wav

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Re: Mono to Stereo Improvement Request 2017/06/07 23:19:24 (permalink)
I think Cubase does as well. In a way I like the flexibility I just wish it would change the console channel to suit to stop doubling of sounds.

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Re: Mono to Stereo Improvement Request 2017/06/07 23:57:01 (permalink)
This showed up yesterday. You have to jump through some hoops to get it but it's free until the end of June 2017.
 
http://www.kvraudio.com/f...c.php?f=6&t=485926
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Re: Mono to Stereo Improvement Request 2017/06/08 00:24:17 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby doncolga 2017/06/08 00:48:52
So there is a open source sound toolkit, SoX Sound eXchange, that is a command line tool that can do all sorts of audio processing.  You can download it from

http://sox.sourceforge.net/

Using it you can convert files from mono to stereo pretty easily

sox "left.wav" "right.wav" -M "stereo.wav" remix 1 2

Replacing the file names with your wav files.  You can even do things like take a stereo file and merge it to mono and then make it the right or left channel.  

All nice, but it has no interface.  But that's where Windows "Send To" right click menu comes in.  In the Windows Explorer when you right click on a file (or more than one file) there is a menu item with "Send To" that allows you to send the selected files to a program as arguments.  And it's really easy to add your own command to the menu.  So all I needed was a batch file that would take two file names and do the processing using SoX.  So I wanted it to handle any kind of input (mono or stereo) then do the merge on stereo and create a stereo output.  So here's the DOS batch script I came up with:

@SETLOCAL ENABLEDELAYEDEXPANSION
@for /f %%i in ('sox --i -c %1') do set file1=%%i
@for /f %%i in ('sox --i -c %2') do set file2=%%i
@set /a file1start=1
@set /a file1end=%file1start%+%file1%-1
@set /a file2start=%file1end%+1
@set /a file2end=%file2start%+%file2%-1
@echo "Convert two WAV files to Stereo. Select Left File Last."
@echo "WavStereoMerge <Left File> <Right File>"
sox %1 %2 -M "%~dp1%~n1-stereo.wav" remix %file1start%-%file1end% %file2start%-%file2end%


Save this as a file called WavStereoMerge.bat somewhere in your path.  And put the sox.exe somewhere in your path (or put the full path to it in the batch file).  You could put the sox exe and this batch file in the same directory somewhere if you don't have a common utility dir for adding commands.

This batch file takes two files as arguments and will create a new file in the same directory as the first file with -stereo added to the file name.  When using the Windows Explorer the first file passed to the Send To is always the last file selected.  So select the right file first, then the left file, then right click and pick Send To->WavStereoMerge

To create a Send To link with the WavStereoMerge command find the .bat file in Explorer and right click it and choose Create Shortcut.  This will make a .lnk file called "WavStereoMerge.bat - Shortcut.lnk"  Rename that to just "WavStereoMerge.lnk" and right click and cut it.  Then in the Windows Explorer type shell:sendto  in the box where the directory path is.  This will take you to the location of your Send To menu.  Right click and paste the short cut link you made there.  This will add the new shortcut to the Send To menu.

Now go find two .wav files, select the right file wav, then the left file wav and right click and choose Send To->WavStereoMerge and you should get a -stereo file in the same directory that is a merge of the two files.  This batch file handles stereo files for each part (it mixes it down to mono) or plain mono files or a mix even (that's what all the extra batch file magic is for).  If you want to see the results of this you can add a "pause" statement at the end of the script so you can see what it does.
 
I don't think there is any way to add functions to the SONAR media browser to do this there, but it might be usable with the Utilities tool menu somehow.  Still would be nice if SONAR had some built in support for merging mono files to stereo and perhaps breaking them apart too.
 

-Matt
 
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Re: Mono to Stereo Improvement Request 2017/06/08 00:49:07 (permalink)
Wow...that was impressive!

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Re: Mono to Stereo Improvement Request 2017/06/08 07:57:06 (permalink)
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reading up, it appears that even Logic requires you to bounce the tracks as behind the scene it still retains the two mono files as mono files...

Really? After merging/joining and selecting "stereo"? Well I guess it doesn't matter anyway as the whole point is to be able to treat them as a stereo file in the DAW quickly and easily.
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Re: Mono to Stereo Improvement Request 2017/06/08 14:34:48 (permalink)
Even if you add a button or context menu selection for convenience, in the end it's still a bounce.


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Re: Mono to Stereo Improvement Request 2017/06/08 15:05:17 (permalink)
I'm not really disagreeing with any of the good comments here. But I'm thinking there appears to be some flexibility with Sonar's steps where some of the others in a one step merge don't tell exactly how they're merging?

If they all are automatically panning hard L-R then merging that would be good. Or does the User still have to pan hard, then save as a mono then select both to merge?

I've merged / stereo in Sonar quite a bit and it seems to work well. Of course less clicks are better, I'm not saying that's not. Convenience it's always good!
But IMHO I've not really thought this as too much an issue.

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Re: Mono to Stereo Improvement Request 2017/06/08 16:45:29 (permalink)
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Really? After merging/joining and selecting "stereo"? Well I guess it doesn't matter anyway as the whole point is to be able to treat them as a stereo file in the DAW quickly and easily.

it "looks" stereo in the DAW, but according to the docs it's split mono until you actually take the step to bounce to a single stereo file. understandable, this split mono makes sense since on tape, you need 2 tracks to make a stereo recording... so perhaps some DAW use this to keep things tidy for people used to tapes? :) or it's more flexible?

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Re: Mono to Stereo Improvement Request 2017/06/08 19:03:10 (permalink)
Yeah like - in old sound forge - you could just right click a waveform and choose "seperate to Dual Mono" - or the reverse... that would be REALLY helpful

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