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Mono/Stereo bug (Direct X only?) - Not fully fixed in X3E
Hi Can anybody reproduce? Please note this issue might be just with Direct X plugins, or just this plugin, as I cannot reproduce the same with Breverb STEPSNew Project Insert, arm and record 2 x mono audio tracks for approx 30 seconds Observe in Console view interleave set as mono for both tracks. Mute second track. Insert Cakewalk Classic Phaser in first track, set it to "quad phaser slow" preset. Observe interleave button still mono. Press play EXPECTEDPlayback in MONO ACTUAL Playback in STEREO STEPS CONTINUEDClick Interleave button on first track, interleave becomes stereo. Click Interleave button again on first track. EXPECTEDInterleave button becomes Mono ACTUALInterleave button does not change. STEPS CONTINUEDObserve whatever you do interleve button will not change to mono unless: Move classic phaser to second track Press interleave button. Observe interleave button is mono. Drag Classic Phaser back to orginal position (track 1). Observe interleave button is still mono. Press play. Track will still play back in stereo (Expected = mono). UPDATE!! Replacing Classic Phaser with Sonitus:fxSurround (DirectX), and following same steps as above, will allow the interleave toggle to function at all times (different behaviour!), however the output is always stereo whether the interleave mode is in mono or stereo (I would expect the output to be mono if mono interleave is on). Replacing Classic Phaser with Breverb, and, following same steps as above, will also allow the interleave toggle to function at all times, and the output will be stereo if the interleave is in stereo, or mono if it is in mono (as I would expect). ALSO NOTE It may well be that classic phaser and Sonitus:fxSurround only gives a stereo output in which case mono interleave functionality should be totally disabled in all scenarios (and the expected behaviour I have written here should change). Although really I would expect Sonar to make it mono regardless. If interleave button cannot be changed I would also expect it to look greyed out, or stuck.... visually. Thanks!
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Re: Possible Mono/Stereo bug for test (Direct X only?)
December 26, 13 5:53 PM
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Reported under CWBRN-22777
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Re: Possible Mono/Stereo bug for test (Direct X only?)
January 03, 14 2:08 PM
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Re: Possible Mono/Stereo bug for test (Direct X only?)
March 19, 14 4:27 AM
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The second part of the issue has been fixed in X3E (interleave button), however the first part has not (effectively playback is still in stereo): STEPS New Project Insert, arm and record 2 x mono audio tracks for approx 30 seconds Observe in Console view interleave set as mono for both tracks. Mute second track. Insert Cakewalk Classic Phaser in first track, set it to "quad phaser slow" preset. Observe interleave button still mono. Press play EXPECTED Playback in MONO ACTUAL Playback in STEREO
Logged a new issue under CWBRN-24831
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Re: Possible Mono/Stereo bug for test (Direct X only?)
March 19, 14 5:47 AM
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Some of the Project5 plug-ins (like Classic Phaser) always set interleave to stereo - they always have and probably always will. It's very plug-in specific, so not a bug in SONAR per se, but an idiosyncracy of some plug-ins.
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Re: Possible Mono/Stereo bug for test (Direct X only?)
March 19, 14 5:50 AM
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Thanks Kevin It may very well be true (hard coded) however in that case the interleave button should be indicated as STEREO in this scenario and you should not be allowed to change it. A channel indicating it is MONO should actually be pushing the output in mono. However making it MONO afterwards is a better idea. Either way we should not be second guessing if a channel is MONO or STEREO, the interleave button should never lie :)
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Re: Possible Mono/Stereo bug for test (Direct X only?)
March 19, 14 6:34 AM
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True - to show what happens, try adding the Classic Phaser as a clip insert on a mono clip (on a mono interleaved track)...
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Re: Possible Mono/Stereo bug for test (Direct X only?)
March 19, 14 11:14 AM
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CWBRN-24831 now submitted to development.
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