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October 05, 11 3:35 AM (permalink)

More reasons to avoid Facebook

I've just had my email hacked.

Apologies to all those that have just been circulated Spam from my email account.

This has come about because I have a Facebook account (which I never use) linked to my email.

I know Facebook is the cause because I received similar mail from somebody who is not in my email address book and the only link I have with him is that he added me as a friend on his Facebook account.

I have re-secured my email and Facebook accounts with new passwords, while I research how to delete my Facebook account completely as it is not readily apparent how to do that.

Again apologies to those that have recieved SPAM from me and be assured that any message recieved does NOT reflect my views on your manhood...

Update:  This Malaysian guy operating from a mobile device has since learned that he picked on the wrong guy when he chose me.

He has since been kicked from his ISP as I found his REAL ip address behind a spoofed one, the web page he was sending links to from my account has been suspended also.  He'll be back I'm sure but I've at least managed to make it a busy day for him.
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    Re:More reasons to avoid Facebook October 05, 11 4:53 AM (permalink)
    Thanks for the heads up. Like they say, Facebook happens.

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    Re:More reasons to avoid Facebook October 05, 11 5:09 AM (permalink)
    Excellent work JB!

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    Re:More reasons to avoid Facebook October 05, 11 5:35 AM (permalink)
    Here are the lessons I learned here.

    1/  Don't have a Facebook account.

    2/ If you do have to have a Facebook account make sure it doesn't link to an email address that has any of your contacts in it.

    3/ Change your email account password regularly.  I know this but didn't do it enough recently.

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    Re:More reasons to avoid Facebook October 05, 11 5:36 AM (permalink)
    Well done Mr. Bouy!


    I can't stand Facebook! But has kind of sucked me in. 

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    Re:More reasons to avoid Facebook October 05, 11 5:38 AM (permalink)
     
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    Re:More reasons to avoid Facebook October 05, 11 6:25 AM (permalink)
    Thanks for the heads up JB.

    I don't do FB (never will either) but the daughter does. I'll get her email changed pronto.

     
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    Re:More reasons to avoid Facebook October 05, 11 6:54 AM (permalink)
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    But I'm so happy with the results
     
     
    You don't charge by the inch do you mate


    Anything under a foot is gratis.  That's the rule I use.
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    Re:More reasons to avoid Facebook October 05, 11 7:14 AM (permalink)
    I'd sure like to know how you did that JB. I get several hack emails a day through FB that are really obnoxious.

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    Re:More reasons to avoid Facebook October 05, 11 7:14 AM (permalink)
    Thanks so much for the link and offer JB. The wife is quite tired, but pleased. I'm off to see the chiropractor this morning, and then some much needed rest.




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    Re:More reasons to avoid Facebook October 05, 11 7:15 AM (permalink)
    Thanks for the heads up Jon, I got that email with a single link.

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    Re:More reasons to avoid Facebook October 05, 11 7:20 AM (permalink)
    Jonbouy


    I've just had my email hacked.

    Apologies to all those that have just been circulated Spam from my email account.

    This has come about because I have a Facebook account (which I never use) linked to my email.


    Same thing happened to me. Both my facebook account and the e-mail account that was associated with it got hacked on the same day. If you MUST use facebook, don't use it with an e-mail address you care about!
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    Re:More reasons to avoid Facebook October 05, 11 7:30 AM (permalink)
    I'm so glad I'm not on facelessbook....as for spam..well...the only spam email I get is from some director of the African National Bank-Mushi Bello.

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    Re:More reasons to avoid Facebook October 05, 11 7:32 AM (permalink)
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    I'd sure like to know how you did that JB. I get several hack emails a day through FB that are really obnoxious.


    There are several security features on Facebook that I was unaware of as I only ever signed up for an account but never maintained it.

    The best one I could see this morning is to make sure you specify what devices you allow log-ins from.

    I did this and changed my FB password BEFORE I wiped my account so nobody else could re-activate again it by using my details to log-in.

    My email account gives details of what IP address have logged into my account and when.  From that information I got the IP address of the user and traced it back and reported it to his ISP.  I got the IP address from the links he sent from my address also as some of the good people here had rightly picked up that it was suspicious and tipped me off and returned copies of the messages he'd sent.

    I later got a nice message from his ISP and noted the web site he had linked to has been suspended.
    post edited by Jonbouy - October 05, 11 7:34 AM

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    Re:More reasons to avoid Facebook October 05, 11 7:36 AM (permalink)

    What is this email account you speak of?


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    Re:More reasons to avoid Facebook October 05, 11 7:38 AM (permalink)
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    Thanks so much for the link and offer JB. The wife is quite tired, but pleased. I'm off to see the chiropractor this morning, and then some much needed rest.




    Randy


    It is written.

    Never pour new wine into old bottles...

    She'll end up getting a taste for it and you'll end up shattered.

    Hope you recover soon...
    post edited by Jonbouy - October 05, 11 7:41 AM

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    Re:More reasons to avoid Facebook October 05, 11 7:45 AM (permalink)
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    What is this email account you speak of?


    I use Yahoo but this applies to any web mail accounts, as the compromise came from the Facebook end, confirmed by the fact some people that were only linked to me via Facebook got the same fake email.
    post edited by Jonbouy - October 05, 11 7:51 AM

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    Re:More reasons to avoid Facebook October 05, 11 7:45 AM (permalink)
    I don't have a Facebook account... and the fact is so well known amongst my friends that several let me use their accounts to see the world on occasions.


    What is the relationship between a Facebook account and email?




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    Re:More reasons to avoid Facebook October 05, 11 7:55 AM (permalink)

    What is the relationship between a Facebook account and email?


    You'd have to ask them for specific details, but the fact remains you can communicate to and from your email via Facebook and vice versa.

    As I said, I'm confident the compromise came from the Facebook end because some of the information was Facebook specific.  You can't get a Facebook account without supplying an email address.  So if you do ever set up a Facebook account make sure you set up a disposable email account first specifically for that purpose.

    I don't have a Facebook account now either.
    post edited by Jonbouy - October 05, 11 7:59 AM

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    Re:More reasons to avoid Facebook October 05, 11 7:57 AM (permalink)
    Is the basic idea that Facebook has your email account login info?

    And so someone can leverage that info to use your email server?


    I'm just trying to learn without actually kissing the toad.


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    Re:More reasons to avoid Facebook October 05, 11 8:00 AM (permalink)
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    Is the basic idea that Facebook has your email account login info?

    And so someone can leverage that info to use your email server?


    I'm just trying to learn without actually kissing the toad.


    Yes, that is what happened here although I have never supplied them with my password or permission to use it.

    Somehow via Facebook somebody has gained access to my email account details including the address book and anything else that is available to me when I log into it.
    post edited by Jonbouy - October 05, 11 8:02 AM

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    Re:More reasons to avoid Facebook October 05, 11 8:03 AM (permalink)

    Yeah, there's a reason I never signed up... it would be good for the Mcsizzzle brand to be "out there" on Facebook... but I do recall the first few things they make you do when signing up was beyond my threshold of compliance.

    Thanks for the heads up.




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    Re:More reasons to avoid Facebook October 05, 11 8:08 AM (permalink)
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    Yeah, there's a reason I never signed up... it would be good for the Mcsizzzle brand to be "out there" on Facebook... but I do recall the first few things they make you do when signing up was beyond my threshold of compliance.

    Thanks for the heads up.


    I made two crucial errors here, one was I never looked into what Facebook was and how it operated, I merely signed up and forgot about it.  Second I didn't bother to change my email password often enough.

    Both things are now done and done.
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    Re:More reasons to avoid Facebook October 05, 11 8:12 AM (permalink)
    The only way I can think of where someone could hack your email through facebook would be through allowing a malicious app access to your email.  there's no link from facebook to your email password.

    I did get the email from "you" JB and I have no doubt you were hacked somehow, but I can't figure out how that could have happened through FB.  Not saying you're wrong - but I can't think of a way it could happen without you giving an app your email password somehow since FB doesn't even have access to that.

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    Re:More reasons to avoid Facebook October 05, 11 8:14 AM (permalink)
    So, let's spin this into a positive... how to use Facebook thing.

    I think, reading between the lines, is the idea that you can sign up for Facebook... and it automatically steals your address book to make all the suggestions for friends... and if you want to minimize the damage and security hole you are forced to surrender to when you sign up for Facebook.... the smart thing to do would be to change your email password immediately after signing up.


    On another subject, I always wonder how I can hide my email from my browser... it always freaks me out when I get a email sales flier from a web site I just surfed but gave no info to... the so called anonymity of the web seems to be a very thin veil.

    Thanks again.

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    Re:More reasons to avoid Facebook October 05, 11 8:15 AM (permalink)
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    The only way I can think of where someone could hack your email through facebook would be through allowing a malicious app access to your email.  there's no link from facebook to your email password.

    I did get the email from "you" JB and I have no doubt you were hacked somehow, but I can't figure out how that could have happened through FB.  Not saying you're wrong - but I can't think of a way it could happen without you giving an app your email password somehow since FB doesn't even have access to that.


    Nor can I, but there it is.

    If I'd seen it as a potential threat it would have been gone a long time ago.

    I'm convinced the compromise is from the Facebook end because even if somebody had got hold of my email account info they would have still had to provide my different FB login password to see the friends that had added me that are not in my address book in order for them to be spammed too.

    Of course I can't prove it because none of us access to the API's these web apps use to communicate with each other and leave vunerable to exploitation, but I'm sufficiently convinced to see Facebook as providing another level where my security can be exploited.

    I've been a pretty sharp Webmaster for the past 20 years or so too, therefore I'm not naive to these kinds of issues and also during that time I've picked up a pretty good sense of smell as to what is coming from where.

    Hence Facebook IS gone which leaves me having only one source of compromise left, my email itself.

    That suits me fine.

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    Re:More reasons to avoid Facebook October 05, 11 8:16 AM (permalink)

    I didn't see Beagles post... which undermines some of the suppositions I have made.

    Please regard my comments as tentative until the details are settled.


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    Re:More reasons to avoid Facebook October 05, 11 8:19 AM (permalink)


    On another note, can't anyone, anywhere send an email with someone else's from or return address.

    I mean, I get the impression that all the spam I get has some innocent or non existent persons "from" address listed.

    I get weird mail from ME sometimes... stuff even I wouldn't send myself.

    I just figure someone is using mine and a million other peoples addresses that day.



    And FWIW, I didn't get any exciting email from Jonbouy... go figure.
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    Re:More reasons to avoid Facebook October 05, 11 8:32 AM (permalink)
    mike - you CAN give FB a list of your contacts either manually or allowing it to "retrieve" them, but you have to give it permission to access your yahoo or google contacts - I hadn't thought about that.  but it's not automatic, you have to give it permission.

    it's very possible that someone could write a malicious app which looks like the FB "find friends" app which could retrieve your contacts if you give it permission then use that permission to retrieve the list and send out spam on your behalf.  maybe something like that is what happend.

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    Re:More reasons to avoid Facebook October 05, 11 8:34 AM (permalink)
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    On another note, can't anyone, anywhere send an email with someone else's from or return address.

    I mean, I get the impression that all the spam I get has some innocent or non existent persons "from" address listed.

    I get weird mail from ME sometimes... stuff even I wouldn't send myself.

    I just figure someone is using mine and a million other peoples addresses that day.



    And FWIW, I didn't get any exciting email from Jonbouy... go figure.


    yes, except the problem here is that the emails sent that JB is talking about were sent from his contacts in his email account.  so while hackers can easily send spam emails and make it look like it came from anyone's account, they can't send it to specific email addresses out of someone's contact list without having access to that contact list.

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