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2017/02/24 17:37:48 (permalink)

Moving over to Ableton, can I sell my X3 Producer including extras here

Well I have been using Sonar since v3, but needs and circumstances mean I have to move to Ableton Live 9, so in order to help finance that can I sell (transfer my licences) to any members here, it will include 
 
Sonar X3e Producer
Pro Channel add ons
The included synths
Guitar Rig 4
and anything else I have forgot.
 
 
Not too sure on the process in this but welcome any interest. 
 
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Re: Moving over to Ableton, can I sell my X3 Producer including extras here 2017/02/24 17:42:17 (permalink)
Cakewalk's EULA does not permit reselling the software, so you won't be permitted to sell it here.

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Re: Moving over to Ableton, can I sell my X3 Producer including extras here 2017/02/24 22:15:25 (permalink)
Does it include Audacity, do you have that ? . . . yes you do.

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Re: Moving over to Ableton, can I sell my X3 Producer including extras here 2017/02/24 22:24:37 (permalink)
Gosh....."                     " Silence is golden.
Why sell Guitar Rig 4.
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Re: Moving over to Ableton, can I sell my X3 Producer including extras here 2017/02/24 22:28:08 (permalink)
I don't think anyone will want to buy software that was designed four years ago, won't be updated, and which legally speaking, you don't own (like almost all software).

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Re: Moving over to Ableton, can I sell my X3 Producer including extras here 2017/02/24 22:52:18 (permalink)
if i were you i would hang on to it, your not going to get much for it anyway, and it is quite possible at sometime in the future you may want to make a return to sonar because of some as yet not seen reason, added features, improvements whatever, if that was the case you could be saving yourself money by holding on to it and perhaps getting a sweet upgrade price as apposed to paying the full price again. just as platinum is a whole step up from x3, the same may happen in the future where some update or new version raises the level again and hits it out of the park. i never sell anything (have given away a few things that i inadvertently purchased multiple copies of . . . don't ask ;) . . . . ) but i prefer to keep stuff.
 
if you are set on trying to sell it, legalities aside, (and i am no lawyer but i believe in some places the not to be resold part of eula's are considered invalid) you could try kvr's 'sell and buy' sub forum, you often see sonar/cakewalk stuff for sale there, however they are usually whole user accounts, i guess you could just set up a new email, attach it to your account, remove/change any personal info from your account etc, they do it quite often. but as i said if i were you i would hold on to it, could save you in the long run, and not much harm done if it doesn't.
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Re: Moving over to Ableton, can I sell my X3 Producer including extras here 2017/02/24 22:56:15 (permalink)
Well, to be fair, unlike Sonar, if he tries Ableton Live and doesn't like it, he CAN resell Live.
 
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Re: Moving over to Ableton, can I sell my X3 Producer including extras here 2017/02/25 00:19:08 (permalink)
You didn't ask specifically, but I would consider Grim's advice were I you. He actually even tried to pave some inroads for you-nice guy! For whatever it is worth, sir, I too have everything that I have ever purchased or acquired with a few exceptions (which I somewhat regret). I had this beautiful Korg toy that was tons of fun to play around with but just didn't really have any true longevity, other than serving as a fun toy to mess around on. I actually wrote a number of my current songs using that silly thing. I dumped it and some other stuff and went totally digital/interface but sort of lament losing it. Boo Hoo.
 
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Re: Moving over to Ableton, can I sell my X3 Producer including extras here 2017/02/25 03:39:38 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby synkrotron 2017/02/25 08:45:13
Just my twopenneth, as an electronic musician I heard how good Ableton was meant to be for that genre. I bought a copy but never did get on with it and love Sonar for my work flow.

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Re: Moving over to Ableton, can I sell my X3 Producer including extras here 2017/02/25 08:38:31 (permalink)
It sounds like you would be surprised. Many people would buy it. That version was and is still fantastic. It wouldn't sell for close to original price, but it would sell without question. The problem is the fact it is illegal to sell it based on Sonar's user agreement.

Other companies do allow the transfer of licence of old software and it sells easily.
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Re: Moving over to Ableton, can I sell my X3 Producer including extras here 2017/02/25 09:11:15 (permalink)
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Does it include Audacity, do you have that ? . . . yes you do.


I know its wrong... but I laughed for quite a while after reading this.

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Re: Moving over to Ableton, can I sell my X3 Producer including extras here 2017/02/25 10:23:39 (permalink)
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Well, to be fair, unlike Sonar, if he tries Ableton Live and doesn't like it, he CAN resell Live.
 
Just sayin'....................
 



yeah, although if he's in the EU he CAN resell sonar, just sayin ;-)

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Re: Moving over to Ableton, can I sell my X3 Producer including extras here 2017/02/25 12:03:18 (permalink)
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Well I have been using Sonar since v3, but needs and circumstances mean I have to move to Ableton Live 9, so in order to help finance that can I sell (transfer my licences) to any members here, it will include 
 
Sonar X3e Producer
Pro Channel add ons
The included synths
Guitar Rig 4
and anything else I have forgot.
 
 
Not too sure on the process in this but welcome any interest. 
 
Everything can be verified with Cakewalk of authenticity with my account and products. 
 


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Re: Moving over to Ableton, can I sell my X3 Producer including extras here 2017/02/25 12:04:40 (permalink)
kvr's a good place to resell stuff  http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=43

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Re: Moving over to Ableton, can I sell my X3 Producer including extras here 2017/02/25 15:54:56 (permalink)
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Earwax
Well, to be fair, unlike Sonar, if he tries Ableton Live and doesn't like it, he CAN resell Live.
 
Just sayin'....................
 


yeah, although if he's in the EU he CAN resell sonar, just sayin ;-)

True, and he's got roughly 2 years to go before Brexit slams the door.....

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Re: Moving over to Ableton, can I sell my X3 Producer including extras here 2017/02/26 08:33:23 (permalink)
A lot of collaborations I am doing lately are all Live 9 users (exception to one who has Logic), I tried the demo ages ago but yes never got on with it as too much to learn, but as said lately I have been in the studio working with guys on their Live 9 and really warming to it, I know Sonar so well for it's faults and great stuff and have never considered wanting to change.
 
One main gripe for me is it sometimes just seems closed to 3rd party integration  like at present I run a lot of NI hardware gear and the way NKS can run along side Ableton is superb, all the controls, automation and transport controls fit into it perfectly, once again something that Sonar gets left behind with (is this a lack of interest from Cakewalk or Ableton, I don't know?).
 
Had a great time with Sonar and not slating it, I still have huge soft spot for it, but EVERYONE I am working with is using Ableton, I need to make the transition and fit in with them and as mentioned starting to like some nice things with it.
 
So as expected Cakewalks response was just to mention the EULA contract, however I feel I should have every right or be able to transfer my licenses to another user rather than just let it vanish into thin air at great expense.

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Re: Moving over to Ableton, can I sell my X3 Producer including extras here 2017/02/26 09:04:51 (permalink)
I have to admit I love how Ableton handles midi routing if Maschine. I also love it for any kind of loop based production, and automation recording/knob mapping is easy and intuitive. I could never deal with its convoluted way of handling multiple takes though.

That said, if you have to change, sorry but Cake won't let you transfer the license. You could still keep Sonar in the toolbox, a few miles down the road you might find out it still has a place in your workflow. Once you've exported/imported tracks back and forth a bit and it becomes routine it's less of a hurdle to work with multiple DAWs.
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Re: Moving over to Ableton, can I sell my X3 Producer including extras here 2017/02/26 09:42:53 (permalink)
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That said, if you have to change, sorry but Cake won't let you transfer the license. You could still keep Sonar in the toolbox, a few miles down the road you might find out it still has a place in your workflow. Once you've exported/imported tracks back and forth a bit and it becomes routine it's less of a hurdle to work with multiple DAWs.

Note that the following is IMHO, I am not an lawyer.
As was already mentioned, that part of EULA is most probably void in EU... So as long as this copy was officially sold to EU customer and it was not time limited subscription/membership, it is possible to transfer it at will.
F.e.: http://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=d1ff4369-afcc-4879-97fa-7a8afd8b3380
 

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Re: Moving over to Ableton, can I sell my X3 Producer including extras here 2017/02/26 09:50:48 (permalink)
you will have to sell your whole account, which is how i believe they're handling it
 
and, for the record, just because something is in a EULA doesn't mean it's legally binding - your EU consumer rights allow you to resell unused software
 
you can find others doing it this way, for example on kvr, here's one http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=473860&hilit=cakewalk
 
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Re: Moving over to Ableton, can I sell my X3 Producer including extras here 2017/02/26 10:44:20 (permalink)
Right, sorry, that is good to know. Wouldn't Cakewalk need to transfer the account though?
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Re: Moving over to Ableton, can I sell my X3 Producer including extras here 2017/02/26 14:39:45 (permalink)
FWIW Live rewires elegantly into SONAR running as a host...best of both worlds if that's what you're after.

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