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2018/10/04 17:10:27 (permalink)

Much bad new about win 10 upgrade?

Microsoft MVP Reminds that Backups are Necessary After Windows 10 1809 Upgrade Deletes User’s Files
 
https://myitforum.com/microsoft-mvp-reminds-that-backups-are-necessary-after-windows-10-1809-upgrade-deletes-users-files/
 
The article states: Be careful out there. More bugs for Windows 10 1809 are being reported by the hour.

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Re: Much bad new about win 10 upgrade? 2018/10/04 20:55:04 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby BobF 2018/10/04 21:17:59
So 1809 is like ransomware, but without the option to pay ransom.
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Re: Much bad new about win 10 upgrade? 2018/10/05 10:26:04 (permalink)
I've upgraded my desktop and a 2017 model Dell Inspiron 15 laptop.  Only one problem, on the desktop the default audio playback device and recording device was reset.  I had to manually set my "Speakers" (PC sound card) to the default audio playback device and "Stereo Mix" to the default recording device.  
 
A couple of plug-ins had to be reauthorized but that always happens on a major update such as this so I don't consider that a "problem".
 
There are always some that have problems of one thing or another on an upgrade and some of these are "self inflicted".  Murphy's Law applies too.
 

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Re: Much bad new about win 10 upgrade? 2018/10/05 18:19:38 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby robbyk 2018/10/06 02:23:26
I'm still on 1803 from June. What's been updated in 1809?
 
According to the article, files in My Document folders seem to be deleted. If so you can run a recovery program to get them back.
 
As a side point, I never use default Windows folders for documents of any type. My files are on another hard drive in folders of my own making where Windows can't (better not) touch them.
 
We'll see.
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Re: Much bad new about win 10 upgrade? 2018/10/05 18:30:47 (permalink)
As more users fall victim to this known bug (deleting user files), though still not acknowledged by Microsoft, one cause has now been found (registry). Also, Woody Leonard posts a possible way to get your files back.
 
Here is the latest:
 
https://myitforum.com/the-cause-for-windows-10-1809-upgrades-deleting-user-files/

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Re: Much bad new about win 10 upgrade? 2018/10/06 10:47:01 (permalink)
To add, nothing was deleted in my Documents folder.  
 

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Re: Much bad new about win 10 upgrade? 2018/10/06 13:23:23 (permalink)
My desktop PC's upgraded without issue, well, apart from having to upgrade to the latest beta drivers for my 1st gen focusrite scarlett 6i6 & 18i20, and the usual XLN re-authorisation.
 
My laptop however, refuses to upgrade. It goes all the way to the end, I restart, it gets to 9% then does a rollback. That's both using Windows update (for which 1809 no longer appears), and using the Windows Upgrade Assistant.
 
What gets me, is that it doesn't give me any indication as to why it rolled back.
 
I guess it's time to do a fresh install at some point, but it'll have to wait... 

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Re: Much bad new about win 10 upgrade? 2018/10/06 13:39:00 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby robbyk 2018/10/06 15:39:42
V1809, Build 17763.1 has been pulled by MS.  No specific reason but the problem some are having with deleted files may be one reason.  I've had 17763.1 for over a week as I get the advanced "Insider" versions and didn't have problems with it either.  Not sure of what circumstance(s) cause the problems.  
 
But, I'll repeat the suggestion (really should be mandatory) to make a full drive (all partitions) image backup to a separate drive BEFORE doing any major update such as this.  The free (and most popular on computer forums I visit) Macrium Reflect or some other imaging program should be used to make the disc image.  DO NOT use the built in Windows backup as its incomplete and does not do a full backup.
 
Macrium Reflect free:
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Re: Much bad new about win 10 upgrade? 2018/10/06 14:31:35 (permalink)
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V1809, Build 17763.1 has been pulled by MS.  No specific reason but the problem some are having with deleted files may be one reason.  I've had 17763.1 for over a week as I get the advanced "Insider" versions and didn't have problems with it either.  Not sure of what circumstance(s) cause the problems.  
 
But, I'll repeat the suggestion (really should be mandatory) to make a full drive (all partitions) image backup to a separate drive BEFORE doing any major update such as this.  The free (and most popular on computer forums I visit) Macrium Reflect or some other imaging program should be used to make the disc image.  DO NOT use the built in Windows backup as its incomplete and does not do a full backup.
 
Macrium Reflect free:
 https://www.macrium.com/reflectfree


Yeah, I did an image of both my laptop drives with clonezilla before I started! Thankfully I didn't need to use it, as the rollback succeeded.

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Re: Much bad new about win 10 upgrade? 2018/10/06 15:43:46 (permalink)
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My desktop PC's upgraded without issue, well, apart from having to upgrade to the latest beta drivers for my 1st gen focusrite scarlett 6i6 & 18i20, and the usual XLN re-authorisation.
 
My laptop however, refuses to upgrade. It goes all the way to the end, I restart, it gets to 9% then does a rollback. That's both using Windows update (for which 1809 no longer appears), and using the Windows Upgrade Assistant.
 
What gets me, is that it doesn't give me any indication as to why it rolled back.
 
I guess it's time to do a fresh install at some point, but it'll have to wait... 


I seem to recall reading about this (not necessarily your issue) in the forums yesterday, that even Microsoft will not upgrade certain pcs if it finds certain things (I didn't read carefully), I think one is an Intel issue, because it knows it will trash the pc. So maybe it encounters one of those issues and then quits and just rollsback? Just a thought, I really have no idea...

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Re: Much bad new about win 10 upgrade? 2018/10/06 15:48:49 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby robbyk 2018/10/06 16:00:14
MS pulled this update. 

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Re: Much bad new about win 10 upgrade? 2018/10/06 16:00:03 (permalink)
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V1809, Build 17763.1 has been pulled by MS.  No specific reason but the problem some are having with deleted files may be one reason.  I've had 17763.1 for over a week as I get the advanced "Insider" versions and didn't have problems with it either.  Not sure of what circumstance(s) cause the problems.  
 
But, I'll repeat the suggestion (really should be mandatory) to make a full drive (all partitions) image backup to a separate drive BEFORE doing any major update such as this.  The free (and most popular on computer forums I visit) Macrium Reflect or some other imaging program should be used to make the disc image.  DO NOT use the built in Windows backup as its incomplete and does not do a full backup.
 
Macrium Reflect free:
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Thanks, as usual, for your helpful advice. I'm going to do this Macrium thing soon (I've already bought a large external HD) and try to get back in the game. I thought by going offline, all would be fine and it is but, for me, it's no fun. When I mix, I like to enjoy doing it slow and taking time each day to watch groove 3 tutorials or search the forums and try to learn new things and advance my skills. Now, with no internet connection, I haven't recorded in 6 months. It's no fun, no learning, no GAS, no new plugins to try. It's like a school assignment. So instead, I write music and am in the most prolific time of my life. I use TRackS to have fun with live recordings thru a Zoom camera. But I want to begin recording by Christmas as a present to me, that means finishing a lot of old projects, then making the macrium reflection, whatever that is (I am not into tech anymore, I have terminal cancer and there is a limit to what I'm going to waste my time with), then upgrading to Pro (how will that go? As soon as I go online, Microsoft will trash my pc within minutes, guaranteed), turning off updates and then enjoy life once again. I will also try to rejuvenate my pcs killed within hours of one another by last years Fall update (both Win 7). But what about all the people out there who are just people and know nothing about pcs? They work, they play, they raise families. They know nothing about Acronis, Macrium or Clonezilla. And Microsoft kills their pcs so they have to buy a new one and Microsoft makes money. They (Microsoft) trash their pcs as a business model and pollute the environment with discarded refuge. It's disgusting to me.

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Re: Much bad new about win 10 upgrade? 2018/10/06 17:07:41 (permalink)
Thanks to all who reported the buggy win update was removed. Here is the latest news update about it from the IT forum. Amazingly it states,
 
And, a quick glance into the Insider feedback hub, shows this to be a reported problem before. When it happened then (multiple times) it happened to a group of people who knew that beta products can have problems. They signed on for it. In this instance, Microsoft released beta software on an unsuspecting world and should pay for it.
 
Fireberd, you're an insider, did you know the release was buggy? I can't imagine you did?
 
They continue,
 
It’s time to go back to the drawing board. Microsoft’s update testing mechanisms are broken. Bill Gates once wrote about Trustworthy Computing. At the time the intended purpose was to make products more secure. By definition, the word ‘trustworthy’ means so much more than that, and its time for Microsoft’s customers to hold the company to the full extent of that definition. Customers are continually delaying updating security of products because they don’t ‘trust’ software updates coming from Redmond. This is not acceptable.
Riddle me this: How can over a million “Insiders” have tested 1809 and this issue didn’t crop up at all?
 
The whole article is here:
 
https://myitforum.com/microsoft-removes-buggy-windows-10-1809-upgrade/ 

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Re: Much bad new about win 10 upgrade? 2018/10/06 18:44:56 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby robbyk 2018/10/06 21:10:25
Update that I got from a Computer Analyst friend.  One drive seems to be the key for many that have lost documents.  I was not affected as I don't use one drive.
 
I had been using the Insider version that is the same as the 1809 for about a week without problems.  There was no reason for me to assume the 1809 update was buggy.  However I don't do a lot with my PC - web surfing, MS Office 365, a couple of computer support forums and as a DAW.   
 
I have a Dell Inspiron 15 (5577 model 7th gen i5) that I use for off-site recordings.  I updated it to 1809 and nothing "broke".  Its even got less installed than my desktop. Its got Win 10 home, Sonar and studio one 3, drivers for my recording hardware and nothing else.

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