Multiple ACT Controllers; is this even supposed to work?

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2011/03/06 01:03:39 (permalink)

Multiple ACT Controllers; is this even supposed to work?

I have an Oxygen 25 and a Trigger Finger.

I have managed to get the sliders and knobs MIDI learned in both, but I noticed an oddity when I was doing the ACT controller mapping.

I mapped in appropriate values for ProChannel EQ on the Oxygen  knobs.  Then I tried to do the same for the TriggerFinger.  Because the TF has 12 CCs and the Oxygen has 8, I was trying to map them to different places.  This didn't seem to work; there seemed to be only one mapping.

Am I correct that all ACT mapped controllers always control the same parameter?  For instance, is the first rotary knob in the first bank always controlling the same thing, regardless of preset?  

I do see references to surfacecontrolid's in the ACT parameters XML files, which tends to support this hypothesis.  And, it may make sense, but I would really like a confirmation.

If anyone else has been in this boat, how have you handled it?  I suppose that I could create a preset for the Oxygen that mapped it into Bank 2.  Is that the best way to approach this (or did I miss my exit a few miles back)?

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    Re:Multiple ACT Controllers; is this even supposed to work? 2011/03/06 01:50:15 (permalink)

    I am not entirely clear on what you are asking, but here's my take:
    ACT can only point to one place at a time. You will not be able to have the ACT focus of your Oxygen25 set to, say, a soft synth, and the ACT focus of the Trigger Finger set to a different soft synth. ACT is essentially ONE software controller. That being said, you can set up both your TF and O8 as ACT controllers. Just know that they will both point to the same place (synth, effect, etc.) when utilizing ACT.   You can circumvent this behavior to some degree by excluding individual encoders from ACT in the ACT controller setup dialog. I have my Axiom 49 setup as three distinct ACT controllers in Sonar, as this was the only way to reasonably assign all of the available knobs, rotaries, and sliders. The transport buttons and the master fader stay locked to their functions while all of the other encoders follow the ACT focus around sonar.

    Please correct me if I am speaking to a question you haven't asked.



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    Re:Multiple ACT Controllers; is this even supposed to work? 2011/03/06 02:00:17 (permalink)
    That's almost the question.  I understand that there is one  thing that is the target.

    My question is best illustrated with an example.  If I configure rotary 1 in bank 1 on both my TF and Oxygen, these knobs will always control the same parameter on whatever the target is.  There is no way to have something assigned to same ACT 'slot' and have what is controlled vary by the hardware surface.



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    Re:Multiple ACT Controllers; is this even supposed to work? 2011/03/06 02:06:37 (permalink)
    In a related area, I have noticed that when I open the ACT properties for the Oxygen, it correctly shows "Oxygen" (my new preset name).  If I then open up ACT properties for the TF, then it shows "Oxygen *" (e.g., a modified version of my oxygen preset.

    If I then load the TF preset for the TF controller, when I reopen the Oxygen properties, it now shows "TF*" (i.e., the TF preset modified to the Oxygen values).

    At all times the controllers work correctly, but it is confusing.  Do you see this as well?



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    Re:Multiple ACT Controllers; is this even supposed to work? 2011/03/06 02:10:09 (permalink)
    I'm not at my DAW at the moment but I have 2 different controllers working with ACT, a PCR 800 and an A & H ZED-R16 and they are both set up in different configs.

    I could be wrong but I'm fairly sure this isn't an issue for me in that button one on the ZED controls a different control to Button One on my PCR. But that to me sounds more like a MIDI learn function than an ACT learn problem.

    Remember that there is a difference between 'ACT learn' and 'MIDI learn' when setting up controllers. MIDI learn is linking the control to the ACT 'slot'. ACT learn is linking the 'slot' to the plugin parameter.
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    Re:Multiple ACT Controllers; is this even supposed to work? 2011/03/06 02:15:57 (permalink)
    Thanks for the reply.

    I do get the difference between MIDI and ACT learn, it just seems that what ACT parameters a slot controls is a global thing and isn't subject to which controller twists the knob.  

    I wonder if it could be down to the fact that I have two controllers using the ACT plugin.  You mentioned a PCR 800 as one of your controllers, isn't there a specific plugin for that controller?

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    Re:Multiple ACT Controllers; is this even supposed to work? 2011/03/06 07:37:31 (permalink)
    Yes there is and that could well be the difference. Good thinking, not that that helps you much.
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