Multiple MIDI ports/VST3

Maybe it's time to implement VST3 support in next X2 update. I think there is no way how can be used multiple MIDI ports in X2. For example, if I want to load more than 16 channels in Vienna Ensemble, I need another MIDI port, but it seems that it is supported only in VST3 - so please guys at Cake, start to think about its implementation. Thank you

Or get VE Pro, and use the Event Input.

BluerecordingStudios


I know I can open another instance, but this is more complicated way in big orchestra piece. I am asking for this, because this future is implemented in standard Vienna Ensemble, And no I dont want to buy Ensemble Pro, a lot of money going to sound libraries.

I well may be missing something here, as I am now a little confused.


Even if you could set up more than 16 midi channels with a single instance of the Vienna Ensemble, you would still have to load up the sounds and make the routing assignments to use them.  I don't see any real difference in what tasks you have to do there, versus setting up the routing assignments and loading sounds in a second instance of the synth, other than simply inserting the second instance.  


As I said, maybe I am missing something (that frequently happens), but how does having a second instance of the synth add any appreciable complexity to the project?  It seems that you would have the same loaded presets, the same amount of work in routing outputs and tracks, setting levels, etc. 


I run with sometimes 3-4 instances of Kontakt 5, with each instance having as many as 5 or 6 loaded instruments going to separate output channels, driven by multiple midi channels, etc.  I simply rename the rack-name of each instance of Kontakt, so that I can tell at a glance which one is what when I set up track assignments, and that process is really a one-time setup thing.


So, again I frequently miss stuff, can you please explain why this would not work for you?  I do not know if Sonar will ever support VST3 functionality, and in any case it is simply not available for you at this time, while adding a second instance of Vienna Ensemble is both free and available right now.


Bob Bone

Bill51


It's much more convenient to have to have everything in one instance, so you don't have to switch back and forth.

All the more reason to get VE Pro, as it will host all VSTi.

I completely agree - having all in one instance would be ideal, but the original poster indicated that he did not want to spend the money for the pro version, and yet his needs eclipse what can be done with the version he has and at the moment Sonar does not have the VST3 support.  


I was just trying to offer something that would allow him to move forward with his projects, in the meantime.  Additionally, once the setups are done in however many instances are there, how much switching back and forth would one need to do?  If the outputs are all set, and the sounds all loaded, wouldn't most of the workflow shift to track view and console view?

Bob Bone

BluerecordingStudios


All in one instance is much easier as Ensemble is not possible to dock into sonar, it is external software. And how many schitches? A lot especially in mixing stage. Not problem with two monitors if Ensemble can be docked. But with two Ensemble instances you need really big second monitor or third monitor. Nothing special if you watch how Vienna composers works, sometime they has four monitors. But rather than Ensemble issue I address here VST3 support in Sonar. Things may be much easier. If someone is interested here is my latest work https://soundcloud.com/bl...van-beethoven-symphony

My apologies on not knowing that this software was external, I thought it was just an internal soft-synth.  Now I finally understand why it gets more complicated to have multiple instances up at the same time - glad I didn't rant and rave at you when I was suggesting just using multiple instances.


Other than trying to swap out some sounds from Vienna Ensemble to those from different plugins, or bouncing some to audio to free them up for loading different sounds into Vienna Ensemble, I do not know what you can do - since nobody knows if and/or when Sonar will include VST3 functionality support.

I checked out a bunch of the tunes from your link - really really impressive.  I think the Olaful Arnalds clip was my favorite.

I hope you can find some kind of way to do what you need to without having to put a bunch of money into it.

Bob Bone

Just purchased numerous Vienna Libraries, Vienna Ensemble Pro 5, and Vienna MIR RoomPak Bundle.  I am using Sonar X3 Producer with Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit, running 12mb RAM.  Since I'm working with large orchestras, I need far more than 16 channels.  Would like detailed, step by step instructions on how to do this.  I'm a composer, not a tech person, so non-tech language please.  Thanks!

The other way to get multiple midi ports to multiple external instances is to use a software midi setup .. something like loopMIDI ... then from inside sonar it is not much different than connecting a physical midi cord to a hardware synth. 

As a local VST instrument.  It appears that, according to Noel's post above from Cakewalk, that I will need to upgrade to Sonar Platinum in order to accomplish this.  Thank you for helping.
 
Noel, if I understand you correctly, once I upgrade to Platinum, I can use the Vienna Libraries on numerous Ports?  How many ports are available?

Ok.  Thanks!