Multi-track Drum Editing Blog Series [PART 4 IS NOW LIVE!]

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    dubdisciple
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    Re: Multi-track Drum Editing Blog Series 2014/11/07 14:09:32 (permalink)
    Looks great. Will attempt to follow along later. Thanks!
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    Re: Multi-track Drum Editing Blog Series 2014/11/07 15:04:18 (permalink)
    D/L files now. Thanks Dan!!
     
    Wow! I learned something already and haven't even done the first minute yet!! Tab to Transient is sweet! "Shift + Tab" works also!! I will use this for sure.
     
     
    Alright, went through the rest of this. KNew pretty much everything else.
     
    Now waiting on Part Two!
     
    post edited by Grem - 2014/11/08 15:00:32

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    Re: Multi-track Drum Editing Blog Series 2014/11/08 13:00:49 (permalink)
    Downloaded, Project created waiting.
     
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    Re: Multi-track Drum Editing Blog Series 2014/11/10 17:09:24 (permalink)
    Fingers crossed; I hope part 2 discusses how to use audio snap to achieve phase aligned processing across grouped drum tracks, especially live play tracks that span an entire song.
     
    I'd like to see how a best practice with SONAR compares to other choices.


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    Re: Multi-track Drum Editing Blog Series 2014/11/21 15:56:26 (permalink)
    Quantize moves things to the beat and by moving all the audio together, you don't really need to worry about phase issues. At least not ones introduced by Audiosnap. ;)
     
    I've been following this series and although I think it is a perfectly workable method, it still seems more complex than the method I used in Reaper for our last album. I did everything in Sonar except the drum editing, for this reason.
     
    Reaper makes it easy to split a clip and create a crossfade at that point at the same time. This then makes it trivial to adjust the hit. You can drag it forward in time, the clips become separate, a fade out then a fade in. Or you can drag the hit backwards in time and again the crossfade covers the overlap. Sometimes you'll drag the audio within the clip (rather than dragging the whole clip) to avoid making the crossfade duration too large. But the essence of it is, for each hit there is one click to split, one drag to align, done.
     
    In Sonar, I don't know of a way to split a clip and create an automatic crossfade. That changes the workflow significantly and is part of why, at the end of part 3 of this series, you still have hits cut off at the ends (http://blog.cakewalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/m22-23-aligned.jpg) which will have to be fixed one way or another in part 4. It's not a big deal when you are just working with kick/snare/hats but when you have a crash that you want to sustain through 5 or 6 beats, you're just going to have to go back through the overhead tracks and edit them all back to full length, cross-fading with each of the previously-split clips.

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    Re: Multi-track Drum Editing Blog Series 2014/11/21 17:46:05 (permalink)
    Do you ever explain how to adjust that early hi-hat hit on beat 3? Looks like you skipped it.

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    Re: Multi-track Drum Editing Blog Series 2014/11/22 15:22:34 (permalink)
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    Do you ever explain how to adjust that early hi-hat hit on beat 3? Looks like you skipped it.




    Yes! I did skip it for part 2 but part 4 is where we'll get into putting the pieces back together :)
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    Re: Multi-track Drum Editing Blog Series 2014/12/08 20:07:40 (permalink)
    Have read all 4 article great work Dan.!
    Here's a question I have two tracks different tempo can I use the technic in the 4 articles to sycn then together?

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    Re: Multi-track Drum Editing Blog Series 2014/12/09 00:11:25 (permalink)
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    Have read all 4 article great work Dan.!
    Here's a question I have two tracks different tempo can I use the technic in the 4 articles to sycn then together?


    It depends on a few things, but if the tempos are pretty close then you should be able to chop your drum beats up, quantize the strong beats, and then render it as a single audio clip again using the techniques I outlined in this series.
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    Re: Multi-track Drum Editing Blog Series 2014/12/09 01:25:48 (permalink)
    Thanks for taking the time and effort to make this series dan. Please make sure it is archived so people can find it in the future too.
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    Re: Multi-track Drum Editing Blog Series 2014/12/13 08:40:17 (permalink)
    When I have all the tracks selected, and put my mouse over a single track and tab. It doesn't tab to the next peak on that specific channel, but tabs to the next peak of all the selected channels.
     
    Is there a setting some where that makes it tab to the next peak on the one channel?
     
    I've found that I like to line up the snare and kick tracks, keeping all the others in line but not modify any other hits. This gives a bit more feel in my tracks while significantly tightening up the tracks. 
     
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    Re: Multi-track Drum Editing Blog Series 2014/12/13 23:36:30 (permalink)
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    When I have all the tracks selected, and put my mouse over a single track and tab. It doesn't tab to the next peak on that specific channel, but tabs to the next peak of all the selected channels.
     
    Is there a setting some where that makes it tab to the next peak on the one channel?
     

     
    If you have created a selection group then make sure that you're not accidentally clicking on the clip header - this engages a selection for all clips. Clicking in a track's lower half disables the grouping functionality momentarily so that you can do what you're trying to do. If you aren't having any luck with that try adjusting the height of the tracks in your track view so that you have more real estate to click on the clips.
     
    Our transient detection does a pretty good job at finding the strong hits - you just have to make sure that you're definitely performing this task on a single track - and not all of them. 
     
    gbowling
    I've found that I like to line up the snare and kick tracks, keeping all the others in line but not modify any other hits. This gives a bit more feel in my tracks while significantly tightening up the tracks. 
     

     
    Nice, just make sure to keep your others in line with the Snare drum or else you'll get phasing issues between the bleed of these microphones and your snare. That can cause some weirdness. 
     
     




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    Re: Multi-track Drum Editing Blog Series 2014/12/14 10:07:50 (permalink)
     
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    Clicking in a track's lower half disables the grouping functionality momentarily so that you can do what you're trying to do.



    I've found it a bit tricky to "click" on anything in there as it can deselect the group. I thought you just hovered your mouse over the desired track and then tabbed. But maybe  you're saying I need to deselect the group and just select the one channel. Then re-select the group, by clicking the track header, before I "split" so it splits all the clips?
     
    Thanks, gbow
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    Re: Multi-track Drum Editing Blog Series 2014/12/14 14:27:13 (permalink)
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    Dan Gonzalez [Cakewalk]
    Clicking in a track's lower half disables the grouping functionality momentarily so that you can do what you're trying to do.



    I've found it a bit tricky to "click" on anything in there as it can deselect the group. I thought you just hovered your mouse over the desired track and then tabbed. But maybe  you're saying I need to deselect the group and just select the one channel. Then re-select the group, by clicking the track header, before I "split" so it splits all the clips?
     
    Thanks, gbow




    That's exactly correct. You nailed it. 
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    Re: Multi-track Drum Editing Blog Series 2014/12/14 18:38:55 (permalink)
    Thanks, in doing some more experimenting. After I get the tracks split where I want them, I tried quantizing without cropping each group of clips to provide "space" on the back side. 
     
    This actually seems to work just as well for me. Any discussion on the pros/cons of doing the clipping?
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    Re: Multi-track Drum Editing Blog Series 2014/12/15 10:45:26 (permalink)
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    Thanks, in doing some more experimenting. After I get the tracks split where I want them, I tried quantizing without cropping each group of clips to provide "space" on the back side. 
     
    This actually seems to work just as well for me. Any discussion on the pros/cons of doing the clipping?




    Good question. Personally I just like keeping all my clips from overlapping before I apply crossfades. Cropping first and then applying crossfades is how I've always worked. Keeps me from missing any bad edits too.
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    Re: Multi-track Drum Editing Blog Series 2014/12/16 18:56:38 (permalink)
    awesome work Dan. I really look forward to your blogs. they are very educating and interesting.
    your a wizard.
     

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    Re: Multi-track Drum Editing Blog Series 2014/12/16 20:20:58 (permalink)
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    awesome work Dan. I really look forward to your blogs. they are very educating and interesting.
    your a wizard.
     




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