MC4helpNeeded
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Music Creator 4 latency
Ok, so if I record Vocals.. they are off by one nudge (pressing the 1 key to go left) .. any idea what I can do? I have Windows 7 Core i7 2600COU @3.4ghz 64 bit Music Creator 4 with 8gb of ram Am using a Saffire LE interface with the newest drivers installed. into FIREWIRE, and I believe it's a normal stock sound card I have screenshotted some Audio settings for you to help me out with: http://i59.photobucket.co...gentz/musicCreator.jpg Does everything look ok? Where else should I be looking? Refresh rate is 40, decay rate is 50, hold time is 750 in audio meter settings... I was using it previously in XP and I never had this issue.. Upgrade my pc and getting issues now.
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Re:Music Creator 4 latency
2011/11/22 16:54:22
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first thing - in the AUDIO OPTIONS>ADVANCED
change to ASIO Driver mode for the Saffire.
if that doesn't resolve it, then you'll need to go back to OPTIONS>AUDIO and click on the ASIO button. that first picture where it says "Wave profiler" will say ASIO if you're in ASIO mode. click on that and it will bring up your saffire software. then in the saffire software you'll need to find the settings for the HARDWARE BUFFERS. decrease them to decrease latency. increase them to stop popping/clicking and dropout.
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MC4helpNeeded
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Re:Music Creator 4 latency
2011/11/22 20:23:22
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Thanks.. I actually had that setting on before... then I changed it... http://i59.photobucket.co...egentz/screenshot1.jpg Are these ok figures?? I was in here earlier and when I decreased them, it made the audio very weird sounding.. like muffled in a tin can. Thanks for the help!
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Re:Music Creator 4 latency
2011/11/22 20:53:20
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Music Creator 4 on W7/64...... hummmmmmm....
Have you tried to run it under the 32 bit mode?
The interface is excellent. Try the settings that Beagle mentioned.
My website & music: www.herbhartley.com MC4/5/6/X1e.c, on a Custom DAW Focusrite Firewire Saffire Interface BMI/NSAI "Just as the blade chooses the warrior, so too, the song chooses the writer "
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Re:Music Creator 4 latency
2011/11/23 08:35:14
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Guitarhacker, 32bit mode how? Compatibility mode settings? Windows Xp service pack 3 or something like that? Not sure how else to do it. Thanks
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Re:Music Creator 4 latency
2011/11/23 08:41:15
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I'm not a windows geek.... so I can't say. After reading about the problems many people were having with the 64 bit transition, and all the programs and plugins that didn't run correctly, I decided to stay with a native 32 bit OS on my new build a year ago. I run all my software on a Windows XP operating system. It's a native 32 bit OS. I know you can do a dual boot OS on W7 but I don't know all the details on how to set it up. I would suspect the 64 bit OS to possibly be at least part of the problem you are having. With correct settings, that interface should be rock solid.
post edited by Guitarhacker - 2011/11/23 08:42:36
My website & music: www.herbhartley.com MC4/5/6/X1e.c, on a Custom DAW Focusrite Firewire Saffire Interface BMI/NSAI "Just as the blade chooses the warrior, so too, the song chooses the writer "
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Re:Music Creator 4 latency
2011/11/23 09:13:31
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Well I ran it compatible with WinxpSP3 and now its worse I think as the audio is reocrding in, it appears to track in before I even say the words and then once I hit stop on recording, it straightens out a bit but still off. Before I used to have to nudge it to the left 1 time, now I have to nudge it to the right... this sucks
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Re:Music Creator 4 latency
2011/11/23 09:39:42
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Thanks.. I actually had that setting on before... then I changed it... http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g315/intellegentz/screenshot1.jpg Are these ok figures?? I was in here earlier and when I decreased them, it made the audio very weird sounding.. like muffled in a tin can. Thanks for the help!
23+msecs INPUT latency is still going to be too high for most applications. when you consider round trip latency you're talking somewhere around 60msec which would be like standing about 60 feet from your amp! not very good for monitoring if your monitor amp is 60' away! try to get it below 10msec input latency for best results. however, none of these settings SHOULD cause the audio to sound "muffled". can you explain more about that? is this when you record or when you play back? does this happen if you import an mp3 and it sounds "muffled"? do you have any FX in the project? are you using any amp sims or EQ or anything?
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Re:Music Creator 4 latency
2011/11/23 09:56:38
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From Cakewalk: 1. Right-click on the setup file 2. Go to Properties | click the Compatibility tab 3. Check the box Run in Compatibility Mode and Run this Program as Administrator. Leaving Windows XP (SP3) selected. Do this for the installer and Music Creator icon. Hopefully this workaround will let you install and run Music Creator 4 on Windows 7 without issues. MC 5/ Win 7 64-bit link: http://www.cakewalk.com/Support/kb/reader.aspx/20091014 And: "What Cakewalk programs can I install under a 64 bit Operating System? Any application that is specifically supported under Vista or Windows 7, has also been approved to function under Vista x64 or Windows 7 x64 (in 32-bit emulation mode). This means that if an application such as: Guitar Track Pro 4, Music Creator 5, or SONAR Home Studio 7 does not list 64-bit OS support on the packaging or system requirements, this is only referring to native 64-bit support. Unlike SONAR, the aforementioned programs contain only 32-bit versions of the program, whereas SONAR contains separate 32-bit and 64-bit applications on the disc. If you are running a 32 bit program under an x64 Operating System you should expect it to work just as well as running under a 32-bit OS; however, you will not see the same benefits as a SONAR x64 user, such as increased RAM utilization. 32-bit applications are still limited to accessing 2-3GB of RAM even in a 64-bit environment."
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Re:Music Creator 4 latency
2011/11/23 10:09:21
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Thanks 57Gregy, I did that. Beagle, I appreciate your responses and your time in helping me... I actually updated the firewire driver and that automatically bumped my ASIO buffer size to 10.0ms, firewire buffer size to 2.0 ms and input latency to 11.6ms and output to 15.5ms... I did a test and it does sound better.. but when I went in and manually changed it, the audio sounded muffled, I don't know how else to explain it, both the mp3 instrumental I was using and the newly recorded audio track.. I was using a compression effect that was on prior to me messing around with settings, no amp sims (i dont even know what that is) :), althought I've heard of it plenty..
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Re:Music Creator 4 latency
2011/11/23 11:17:46
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try a new project and just import an MP3 into it and see if the sound is "muffled"
I'm thinking there may just be something on that particular project causing problems (and it may have to do with low latency and the FX)
11.6msec is OK, I would think you could get it better, but maybe not.
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Re:Music Creator 4 latency
2011/11/23 12:59:49
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Tried a new project and it seems to be just fine now... don't know what that muffling was all about.. Thanks Beagle..
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Re:Music Creator 4 latency
2011/11/23 14:11:56
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My website & music: www.herbhartley.com MC4/5/6/X1e.c, on a Custom DAW Focusrite Firewire Saffire Interface BMI/NSAI "Just as the blade chooses the warrior, so too, the song chooses the writer "
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Re:Music Creator 4 latency
2011/11/24 00:44:42
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Compression happens.  Amp sims (amplifier simulators) are audio effects mostly designed for guitarists, but you can use them on any audio track. Record your guitar with no effects, add the amp sim and you can make it sound like a Marshall stack at Madison Square Garden. Or a Fender Champ in the garage.
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