Music Creator, v 5: My first Orchestral Project - Mozart

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Music Creator, v 5: My first Orchestral Project - Mozart

I've had Music Creator (Version 5) now for a few years, but only got serious about it in the last few months.
I am a classical musician (Bassoon, Clarinette and Saxophone), but playing solo is not very satisfying
when one really needs to be playing in a band or ensemble. Music Creator helped me fill that void.
I began exploring first-rate (or acceptable) sound fonts and VST plug-ins and discovered that I could
have an orchestra to play along with! Music Creator is amazing!
Using only soft-synths and entering notes and events from a musical score in staff view, I have produced three
pieces by W. A. Mozart, each one being an improvement over the other.
The latest one, I would like to share, at the suggestion of a mentor from the Music Creator forum:
GuitarHacker (Herb).
 
I posted the MP3 of my project. It's a Mozart piece: Concerto for Bassoon and Orchestra, K-191, 1st movement: Allegro. It's actually written for Principal Bassoon, Two Oboes, Two French Horns, Violins, Violas, Cellos and Double Bass. Seven tracks in all.
 
The woodwinds (Bassoon, Oboe) are sound fonts, SF2's from a collection called florestan_woodwinds.sf2, available on the web. The French Horns are from the same source, florestan_frenchhorns.sf2. Strings are from a VST plug-in from DSK Music called DSK Virtuoso. All are creative commons licences and freely downloadable.
 
Here's my first orchestral project:
http://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=11854157
Enjoy!
 
Regards,
Dan
post edited by dlong241950 - 2012/08/30 19:13:16
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    Rikkie
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    Re:Music Creator, v 5: My first Orchestral Project - Mozart 2012/08/29 11:33:43 (permalink)
    Hi Daniel, this was an enjoyable listen.  It does sound a bit bright though and imho could use a little reverb and compression. Fast repeated notes sound a bit "machine gun"-like  in places.

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    Re:Music Creator, v 5: My first Orchestral Project - Mozart 2012/08/29 11:47:03 (permalink)
    Dan... again well done. 

    If you do not already have it.... GPO is a nice ready to go synth to use for orchestral pieces. 

    Cake has it bundled with DimLE for $50 right now.  http://www.store.cakewalk...ductid=10-DMLE1.00-20E

    I used to use a bunch of the SFZ fonts when I first got started.... because you can find them for free.  As time went on, I ended up picking up the better sounding sample libraries. 

    GPO was first, then I happened on Miroslav for something like $20 on sale.... if you keep a close watch on the software forum, other users here will clue you in to the sales going on. I generally wait until a price becomes one of those no-brainer things and then jump all over it. 

    Well done BTW on the music. 

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    Re:Music Creator, v 5: My first Orchestral Project - Mozart 2012/08/29 12:03:29 (permalink)
    Dan, this is a fine piece of music, and you did a fine job of orchestrating this.  But, I do agree with Rikkie about the MIDIness of some of the passages.  If this were transferred to a program with better samples, this would be the bomb.  However, some of those programs cost several hundreds of dollars, so for freebies, this isn't so bad.
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    Hi Daniel, this was an enjoyable listen.  It does sound a bit bright though and imho could use a little reverb and compression. Fast repeated notes sound a bit "machine gun"-like  in places.

     Rik



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    Re:Music Creator, v 5: My first Orchestral Project - Mozart 2012/08/30 17:10:08 (permalink)
    Herb,
     
    I looked online for Miroslav add-ins. I listened to some incredibly realistic samples. But, they were offered for sale from $700 to $900. You found exactly what for $20? While online with the various dealers, I listened to numerous orchestral sample songs and they were all good! All $100's of dollars.
     
     
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    Re:Music Creator, v 5: My first Orchestral Project - Mozart 2012/08/30 19:00:47 (permalink)
    Rikkie,
     
    You are exactly right. The freeby plug-ins I had chosen are a conundrum at best. Some parts, as you have pointed out, are pretty bad, while other passages are pretty good. I admit that. I have been listening to sounds that are purchasable, and there is no comparison. I will revisit this piece, soon.
     
    Regards and thanks so much for the critique!
     
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    Re:Music Creator, v 5: My first Orchestral Project - Mozart 2012/08/30 19:05:33 (permalink)
    Lynn, I have been looking at samples to purchase at the suggestion of Rikkie, Yourself, and Herb. I am amazed at the quality of samples that I have found. I will revisit this piece very soon.
     
    Thank you for your critical evaluation and suggestions for impovement.
     
    Regards,
     
    Dan
     
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    Re:Music Creator, v 5: My first Orchestral Project - Mozart 2012/08/30 21:25:43 (permalink)
    Look at the cake store at the Dim LE and GPO combo for $50.

    Some of the better ones are going to cost a bunch.... but you gotta keep your eyes and ears open..... these companies will drop prices on various products from time to time and offer some great prices. 

    I picked up a limited version of Miroslav and a FREE version of East West..... yeah...E/W gave one of their nice sounding lower end products away for a very short period of time a few years ago.... I still use that one on occasion. 

    Another good all around product is the Native Instruments Komplete or at the very least Kontakt. It is quality stuff. But it's not a low price VST.... but worth every dime. 

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    Re:Music Creator, v 5: My first Orchestral Project - Mozart 2012/08/31 15:39:34 (permalink)
    This is really enjoyable to listen and very well orchestrated. I'd love to hear this with some good quality sounds/samples (Kirk Hunter Strings, Session Strings for Kontakt, etc...).

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    Re:Music Creator, v 5: My first Orchestral Project - Mozart 2012/08/31 16:11:36 (permalink)
    Great job on the piece. The synths does not do justice as mentioned before.

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    Re:Music Creator, v 5: My first Orchestral Project - Mozart 2012/09/02 13:11:50 (permalink)
    Thank you, all, for the kind and constructive comments. The other day, I bought Dimension LE with Garritan "Pocket" Orchestra. Admittedly, the violin sounds are much better than what I was using, but there are problems with these. The [String Section] choices, for instance, [Violin Section] has a few patches/choices:
    (I need a full strings/violins section)

    - Violins - Long bow doesn't keep up with the shorter notes and worse, doesn't even play them.
    - Violins - Short bow keeps up with the shorter notes, but doesn't "fill out" the longer notes.
    - Violins - Pizzacato only plays as "plucked" strings, very short.
    - Violins - Tremolo was not much better than the original one I chose.

    Does anyone have any experience with GPO strings? Hope you understand my problem. I can elaborate further if needed. Are there settings I need to change? I did go to Garritan's web site, and found a "Personal Orchestra" they call GPO. Are these the same products? Garritan Personal Orchestra sells for $150. The demos sound great, but I didn't hear anything like I am trying to do.

    Thank you for any help.

    Regards,
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    Re:Music Creator, v 5: My first Orchestral Project - Mozart 2012/09/03 14:16:15 (permalink)
    Ok, folks.
    After spending $50 bucks on Dimension with Garritan Pocket Orchestra, there were no voices/programs for strings that I could use to make my piece better than what I had. Then I looked at the cakewalk store and discovered an add-in for Orchestral strings. There was a marked difference in the two: GPO vs. the Digital Sound Factory add-in.

    Here are the choices in GPO for strings:

    <a href="http://s1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj626/daniellong24gmailcom/?action=view&current=GPOChpoces-Strings.gif" target="_blank"><img src="http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj626/daniellong24gmailcom/GPOChpoces-Strings.gif" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

    and here are my choices for DSF (Digital Sound Factory):

    <a href="http://s1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj626/daniellong24gmailcom/?action=view&current=DSF-StringSection-Choices.gif" target="_blank"><img src="http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj626/daniellong24gmailcom/DSF-StringSection-Choices.gif" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

    The choice of voice called "Marcatto" is exactly the voice I needed for strings for this piece. GPO doesn't have this choice.

    The upgrade for the expansion pack of Digital Sound Factory: Orchestral Strings, costs at this time $20!

    Here is the revisited piece. There are still problems. There appears to be a latency issue, whereby many voices in fast passages do not appear in sync (maybe a limitation of Music Creator itself). The strings still sound "bright". In the old version, my bassoon appeared to be in tune with the rest of the orchestra. Slightly out of tune with the new strings. (Minor Detail).
    Someday soon, I will get the studio-quality sounds and the means to do this right! Still having fun with it.

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    Re:Music Creator, v 5: My first Orchestral Project - Mozart 2012/09/03 21:51:25 (permalink)
    dlong241950

     I did go to Garritan's web site, and found a "Personal Orchestra" they call GPO. Are these the same products? Garritan Personal Orchestra sells for $150. The demos sound great, but I didn't hear anything like I am trying to do.

    The full Personal Orchestra product is miles above the Pocket Orchestra available through Cakewalk.
    I don't have it,but our resident guru, Randy Bowser, has done some amazing things with it.
    Your work here shows you have a good grasp of working with synths. With better samples, you can really shine.

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