chilldanny
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Music mag reviews of X2?
Just curious as to why there doesn't seem to be any out there yet?
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Re:Music mag reviews of X2?
2012/10/31 18:59:03
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Who reads mags nowadays... unless you are at the dentist.
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Re:Music mag reviews of X2?
2012/10/31 19:16:57
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Who reads mags nowadays... unless you are at the dentist.
Or sitting on the throne!
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Re:Music mag reviews of X2?
2012/10/31 19:22:00
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Admittedly, I buy digital versions Computer/Future music etc
rather than actual physical magazines these days, but even so
I've yet to find any reviews.
Have you?
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Re:Music mag reviews of X2?
2012/10/31 20:17:19
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Many magazines are prepared weeks before publication. The issues out now may have been put together before X2 was available.
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Re:Music mag reviews of X2?
2012/10/31 20:36:32
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Many magazines are prepared weeks before publication. The issues out now may have been put together before X2 was available.
I've seen a couple of magazines mention the release in their news sections, so I guess they'll have a write up when they've had a chance to review it. I seem to remember a delay with reviews of X1. Probably a good thing looking at peoples first impressions..
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Re:Music mag reviews of X2?
2012/10/31 23:37:05
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They likely haven't received their free evaluation copies.
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Re:Music mag reviews of X2?
2012/10/31 23:49:58
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Magazines have lead times. At Electronic Musician, we're finishing up the January issue now; it goes to production in a few days.
Figure it takes at least a few weeks to know a product well enough to review it, and more so with complex software, then add in the lead times...that's why I personally prefer writing applications-oriented articles for magazines, and do "standard" reviews for the web.
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Re:Music mag reviews of X2?
2012/10/31 23:52:12
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Re:Music mag reviews of X2?
2012/11/01 08:00:12
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Re:Music mag reviews of X2?
2012/11/01 08:36:20
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Never trust music rags for more than a general gist of things, they can't be brutally honest because then they would not get any more review copies in advance.
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Re:Music mag reviews of X2?
2012/11/01 10:10:04
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As Craig says it is lead time. It takes weeks, if not a month, to get most print into, well, print. And shipped. And more lead time writing and editing. I suppose if you want a review that says "I like it" or "it sucks" it could be delivered fairly quickly.
As for the symbiotic relationship between mags and their advertisers - yes. But don't discount the relationship between mag and the reader. If a mag recommends a dog the readers burned won't be back - and too many of those and the mag folds.
Two other points (I've made before). I think I've read bad reviews in every est. magazine. Yes, it happens.
Two: most products today are pretty good - for the their price range (and most magazines make that distinction). Can anyone say they've bought a product that just doesn't work, eats your homework and runs off w/ your significant other? I have a bunch of software I don't use often, but it still works. I just use other software for whatever reason. And I haven't really bought "bad" hardware in a long while - because I research it first through word of mouth and ... magazines and other reviews. And it helps if they are a long-time source. If Craig says something is good, you can take that to the bank. If Hugh and some of the other boys at SOS or Electronic Musician etc. say this product does what it is supposed to do, then I would bet it does.
BTW, I have had professional users whose opinions are more off target. Sometimes they don't give me the thrill up the leg the source gets, but most often "bad" reviews by them are due to operator error or a simple matter of taste.
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Re:Music mag reviews of X2?
2012/11/01 10:12:44
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Kenneth
Never trust music rags for more than a general gist of things, they can't be brutally honest because then they would not get any more review copies in advance.
+1 and would add that reviewers typically dont actually do that much in any depth with the software so its difficult to write something of solid value to a potential purchaser... not to mention that any reviewer will have his own subjective bias based upon his DAW of choice that typically shows itself..
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Re:Music mag reviews of X2?
2012/11/01 10:26:35
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Kenneth
Never trust music rags for more than a general gist of things, they can't be brutally honest because then they would not get any more review copies in advance.
+1 and would add that reviewers typically dont actually do that much in any depth with the software so its difficult to write something of solid value to a potential purchaser... not to mention that any reviewer will have his own subjective bias based upon his DAW of choice that typically shows itself..
I don't know. SOS can be - and are - pretty brutal when it come to giving an accurate portrayal of any piece of "gear" - hardware or software. They've been pretty accurate since I started reading it in about 1996.
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Re:Music mag reviews of X2?
2012/11/01 10:54:52
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I guess it's a definition of what brutally honest means.
I haven't seen a review from any music mag concluding something along the lines of "save your money and buy 'competing product' instead" that really says it all.
If I were to buy or subscribe to a mag it would have to be 100% there for me, not the products they review, and that's not going to happen.
Nowadays when I research something to buy, I google as many user experiences as possible from forums and blogs, and then take the average from that to decide if I want to spend time trying it out.
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Re:Music mag reviews of X2?
2012/11/01 14:04:36
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kenneth,
the blogs and forums tend to be problem children renting or someone proud as a new father w/ their new purchase. There are a lot of slaggers - people who have a problem w/ a unit or lack of knowledge or expect one piece in the chain to make their music professional. It is like reading the letters section of a paper to get your editorial views. I know - when Yamaha updated the firmware for the Presonus Firestation it killed my (and many others) units. I badmouthed that everywhere I could and ended up exchanging emails and phone calls w/ both companies. Even behemoth Yama responded. My posts wouldn't have sold very many Firestations or Presonus gear and that was my purpose. FYI, I ended up w/ a Presonus Firepod which I happily used for the next 4-5 years here at home.
Few mags are going to say don't buy this, buy our other advertiser's product instead for obvious reasons. You might have to read between the lines a little before you run away from a product reviewed. However, SOS runs an "alternative" product box, even for the products they like, which is nice.
Actually, some of the worse "reviews" have come from studio owners or successful producers. They tend to have their likes/dislikes and gold disks on their wall to show the weight of their opinion. I've had several dismiss Focusrite for home studios etc, and I love my ISA One. For less than $500 you get a "what you play is what you hear" preamp w/ lots of gain. Not like an old Neve but more like the modern Neve. It ain't "vintage" sounding but just about perfect for a home studio that does more than vintage sound. What is not to like? Nothing, if you don't have a rack of old Neves or API etc.
Reviews have their place, as well as people in the business and last but not least music forums, but all those should be ways to remove choices, not make them.
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Re:Music mag reviews of X2?
2012/11/01 14:31:44
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I know a couple magazine reviewers personally. They spend a day with the product and give their (usually biased) review. If the product they are reviewing pays for ads in their mag a favorable review almost always ensues. If not often no review occurs!
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Re:Music mag reviews of X2?
2012/11/02 08:11:04
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x2 is reviewed in Computer Music, Cm185 December 2012.
They conclude that the Console Emulator "sounds fantastic", Breverb and TH2 "are winners", "Automation lanes at last!", "Auto Zoom is most helpful" and the Smart Tool "keeps getting smarter".
9 out of 10.
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Re:Music mag reviews of X2?
2012/11/02 11:36:17
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cleats
x2 is reviewed in Computer Music, Cm185 December 2012.
They conclude that the Console Emulator "sounds fantastic", Breverb and TH2 "are winners", "Automation lanes at last!", "Auto Zoom is most helpful" and the Smart Tool "keeps getting smarter".
9 out of 10.
You beat me to it. You should state that it isn't out there for general human consumption yet, it'll be out in the shops pretty soon. (You also missed a chance to tease people with the rating....never mind  . Grum.
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Re:Music mag reviews of X2?
2012/11/02 12:06:29
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cleats
x2 is reviewed in Computer Music, Cm185 December 2012.
They conclude that the Console Emulator "sounds fantastic", Breverb and TH2 "are winners", "Automation lanes at last!", "Auto Zoom is most helpful" and the Smart Tool "keeps getting smarter".
9 out of 10.
That's good to hear,but not only,is a latest Euro/US mag,at Least 2-3 months behind,by the time we get them in Australia,they cost not double like they used to,but significantly more,and they're like soo old. I used to buy a lot of dirt bike mags,especially"Motocross Action Magazine",and that[still!] is one magazine "That Does Not Pander to Any manufacture",or was ever "afraid to point out,ANY short comings"...ever,anyway the local"newsagent",had 3 S.O.S,or was it Future Music issues[as a bundle] for $11 today,but I still passed,as they always seem so"apple centric",and also Logic/Albeton/Cubase oriented,so yeah,it's great to hear Computer Music,gave it smiles.......I'll just have to wait for late January/Feb at the VERY Least,and pay 60% more ha ha. Bob
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Re:Music mag reviews of X2?
2012/11/02 12:37:16
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Hey Bob, I've heard you can buy CM as a download edition nowadays and you get all the content to download too.
It's only a recent thing they've made available, I can't post a link as the company firewall is preventing me from going to it, but as grumbleweed up there says, the December edition is not available just yet.
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Re:Music mag reviews of X2?
2012/11/02 13:01:51
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cleats
Hey Bob, I've heard you can buy CM as a download edition nowadays and you get all the content to download too.
It's only a recent thing they've made available, I can't post a link as the company firewall is preventing me from going to it, but as grumbleweed up there says, the December edition is not available just yet.
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Re:Music mag reviews of X2?
2012/11/02 13:31:07
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I had a look just now at the CM DL version, but it seems to be only for horrid Apple things, and stressed that it doesn't include the DVD content.
Besides, when I'm not allowed to be in the studio room, I can sit quietly on the sofa with my beloved and thumb through the magazine!
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Re:Music mag reviews of X2?
2012/11/02 13:38:21
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I had a look just now at the CM DL version, but it seems to be only for horrid Apple things, and stressed that it doesn't include the DVD content.
Besides, when I'm not allowed to be in the studio room, I can sit quietly on the sofa with my beloved and thumb through the magazine!
Huge points there!!
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Re:Music mag reviews of X2?
2012/11/02 13:42:18
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Kenneth
I guess it's a definition of what brutally honest means.
I haven't seen a review from any music mag concluding something along the lines of "save your money and buy 'competing product' instead" that really says it all.
I can't speak for others, but the odds of seeing a review like that from me are EXTREMELY remote, because as there are more products available for review than could ever be reviewed, I get to choose the products I want to review. Which scenerio is more likely: "I just saw this really amazing product at NAMM! Man, I'd love to get my hands on that and check it out!" or... "I just saw a product at NAMM that doesn't interest me at all, and it looks like it's not all that well-designed. I think I'll spend a month of my life learning everything I can about it!" Now, of course sometimes I find elements that are disappointing, incomplete, or whatever, and those are noted in the review (e.g., the lack of sophistication with staff view in Sonar  ). But there have only been three reviews I've ever written that were total slams of products with no redeeming value. Here's what happened: Product #1: I sent the review to the manufacturer for fact-check, and was shocked they never replied. That was because they had gone out of business...wasted two pages in the mag. Product #2: Taken off the market in exchange for not running the review. The product was completely redesigned around my complaints and the changes I suggested, then re-released a few months later. Product #3: Also taken off the market in exchange for not running the review. I promised to review it again when it was fixed, but it was never really fixed, the new version never came out, and the company went out of business. Any time I write a review, I'm always concerned that I'll miss some "fatal flaw" due to not having infinite time to find problems, or because I didn't use the product in a particular way that would reveal it. So far (knock on wood) that really hasn't happened. Of course it works the other way too, where I don't want to miss some stellar feature. Ultimately, the only reason advertisers take out ads is because a magazine has lots of eyeballs. So, the readers always have to come first from an economic standpont. But from a manufacturer and reader standpoint, it makes more sense (given the limited number of pages available) for a review to talk about something that's really cool and interesting. There really aren't very many "bad" products, so the choice is usually between something hot and something sort of average. The hot stuff is more fun to write about, and reviews of those products are more fun to read.
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Re:Music mag reviews of X2?
2012/11/02 13:44:19
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xxxsoundxxx
I know a couple magazine reviewers personally. They spend a day with the product and give their (usually biased) review. If the product they are reviewing pays for ads in their mag a favorable review almost always ensues. If not often no review occurs!
You are hanging out with the wrong people...
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2012/11/02 14:37:04
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I didn't say I hung out with them. I said I knew them personally. :-)
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Re:Music mag reviews of X2?
2012/11/02 14:55:24
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Wood67
I had a look just now at the CM DL version, but it seems to be only for horrid Apple things, and stressed that it doesn't include the DVD content.
Besides, when I'm not allowed to be in the studio room, I can sit quietly on the sofa with my beloved and thumb through the magazine!
Huge points there!!
S'not just horrible Apples (in fact there's a fair selection of PC-only plugins in the CM Studio) and apparently does include content now if you get it via here: http://www.musicradar.com/computermusic/computer-music-downloads-faq-556822
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Re:Music mag reviews of X2?
2012/11/02 15:58:45
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cleats
x2 is reviewed in Computer Music, Cm185 December 2012.
They conclude that the Console Emulator "sounds fantastic", Breverb and TH2 "are winners", "Automation lanes at last!", "Auto Zoom is most helpful" and the Smart Tool "keeps getting smarter".
9 out of 10.
There is usually "Payola" involved in many reviews...which means the Companies "pay" the reviewer to write a good review..I know....I've been the person who delivered the "payola"... However, in this case, the Console Emulations are fantastic, Breverb is fantastic, and TH2...still not as good as Amplitube, GR5, or GTR 3 - But that's just me....as a guitarist, but it does have a place. Automation Lanes....I'm not sure that that is a "GREAT" thing...as having the automation over the Wave, for me, helps, so I like to work that way...I'm sure for many it's great...but I was fine the way it was. Smart Tool is great...love it. If they had given us better PRV editing (I know they've improved, but by comparison to Cubase, the PRV in Sonar is lightyears behind), if they had given us VST 3.x support and VST Expression (A better SONAR version) also....I'd be saying MAJOR HOMERUN!!! I'm sure VST 3.x will make it's appearance, probably in the next upgrade. As it is, it is still THE BEST DAW out there for me....second to NONE...but that's just my opinion...I haven't tried DP 8 yet... but DP 8 is going to have to be one heck of a DAW to beat X2....just sayin'
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Re:Music mag reviews of X2?
2012/11/02 18:36:32
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cclarry
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x2 is reviewed in Computer Music, Cm185 December 2012.
They conclude that the Console Emulator "sounds fantastic", Breverb and TH2 "are winners", "Automation lanes at last!", "Auto Zoom is most helpful" and the Smart Tool "keeps getting smarter".
9 out of 10.
There is usually "Payola" involved in many reviews...which means the Companies "pay" the reviewer
to write a good review..I know....I've been the person who delivered the "payola"...
"Usually?" I've been writing reviews since the 70s, and no manufacturer has ever offered me money to write a review, let alone a positive one. I guess I haven't figured out the protocol yet, or I'd have a timeshare on Kona The closest I've come to that is a manufacturer saying that if I end up liking a product, I have the option to buy it at dealer cost. That's common in the industry, though; it saves them shipping costs and figuring out what to do with a used (or in my cases, sometimes abused) unit. If I found out any of the authors whose articles I'd edited had been paid for a review, I would have never used them again, nor run the review. And I would have contacted all the editors in the other MusicPlayer group publications (Keyboard, Guitar Player, Guitar World, Bass Player) to advise them to watch out for that particular individual. Maybe I'm just old school, but I always thought the readers are my boss, more so than the people running a magazine or advertising in it. I'll add one more thing about reviews. I don't think anyone really cares whether I like something or not (and if they do, they shouldn't!). I think they want to know if THEY would like it. Therefore, I try to give the reader the experience of having checked out the unit. I reviewed NI's Kore once. One reader went out and bought Kore because he thought the review was so favorable, and he told me how much he loved Kore, and thanked me for the review. Another reader asked me at NAMM whether NI canceled their advertising because the review was so negative! The reality was that I described what Kore was good for, and what it wasn't good for. It fit the first person's needs like a glove, so he saw the positive elements in the review. It wasn't well-suited for the second person's needs, so he saw only the negative elements. As to NI...they just said "Finally, someone has explained what it does in a way people can understand." It's been my experience that reputable manufacturers with a long-term outlook would rather have a review that summarizes a product accurately than an over-the-top, "as I opened the box, my body started tingling with anticipation" type of review which no one believes anyway.
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