tobiaslindahl
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Re: Music was much better when fugly people were allowed to release records
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Yea, because music is ALL to do with visuals.
There is no hope for music going forward. The only road I see is more computer generated crap and product. The age of so called "real" music is gone. Not saying everything was better back in the day, but at least it was, to some extent, honest. These days you can't tell the difference between a comercial and a song ... it is all bland crap.
I don't mid though, there is enough good stuff to last a lifetime, but there is no place for real music from here on and anyone thinking otherwise is kidding themselves. American Idol ... jesus christ.
You do realize everything you do in Sonar is "computer generated" though, right?
Absolutely, I never claimed to be a true musical genius or anything. I am just playing around. Listening to most of the stuff produced, so is the vast majority of other people too.
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Re: Music was much better when fugly people were allowed to release records
2017/12/16 02:17:55
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tobiaslindahl
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tobiaslindahl
Yea, because music is ALL to do with visuals.
There is no hope for music going forward. The only road I see is more computer generated crap and product. The age of so called "real" music is gone. Not saying everything was better back in the day, but at least it was, to some extent, honest. These days you can't tell the difference between a comercial and a song ... it is all bland crap.
I don't mid though, there is enough good stuff to last a lifetime, but there is no place for real music from here on and anyone thinking otherwise is kidding themselves. American Idol ... jesus christ.
You do realize everything you do in Sonar is "computer generated" though, right?
Absolutely, I never claimed to be a true musical genius or anything. I am just playing around. Listening to most of the stuff produced, so is the vast majority of other people too.
I didn't mean you in particular (I have no idea what kind of music you produce), what I meant was, everything we do in a digital audio workstation is "computer generated."
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Re: Music was much better when fugly people were allowed to release records
2017/12/16 03:33:46
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From a certain perspective, popular music is bound to become, uh, popular... There's a much bigger difference between Bach and the Beatles than between The Beatles and whoever is a big pop star today.
Both are the result of democratization (some could be tempted to call it degeneration), one is just in a more advanced state of, well, putrefaction.
That's coming from a die-hard Beatles fan. Everything is relative.
Tool has just announced a new album for 2018 - there still is some good music out there. It's usually just not topping the charts.
For me, anyway, it's a non-issue. I've long stopped looking for new music and decided to focus on good music - regardless of when it was released. Since both are often mutually exclusive, I waste a lot less time this way. Granted, most of my favorite music of the last few years was written centuries ago or recorded in the 70's, but one needs to prioritize. You've only got so much time on this earth.
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Re: Music was much better when fugly people were allowed to release records
2017/12/16 03:39:36
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Ya. I knows what I likes and that's what I likes.
If I wanted to see strippers (and or loudmouthed posturing arseholes) I'm sure I could find them.
I wanna hear something cool and real.
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Re: Music was much better when fugly people were allowed to release records
2017/12/16 03:47:46
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☄ Helpfulby Rain 2017/12/16 04:07:23
BTW... I do not subscribe to the idea that music is dying. It's everywhere and there is some very interesting stuff going on.
What's dying is the capacity for the industry to adapt and accomodate to new technology and artistic paradigms fast enough to keep spoonfeeding watered down schlocko versions of what is REALLY going on.
I'm pretty sure there is going to be a huge pushback against it all again very soon. It happens in cycles and we've kind of reached peak "disco" as far as what the industry is lazily (and greedily) farting our way.
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sharke
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Re: Music was much better when fugly people were allowed to release records
2017/12/16 04:24:17
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I like to maintain a good balance between discovering new music and enjoying the classics of yesteryear. Yep there's so much great stuff out there, even if you do have to wade through so much more crap these days.
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tobiaslindahl
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Re: Music was much better when fugly people were allowed to release records
2017/12/16 10:13:45
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sharke
tobiaslindahl
sharke
tobiaslindahl
Yea, because music is ALL to do with visuals.
There is no hope for music going forward. The only road I see is more computer generated crap and product. The age of so called "real" music is gone. Not saying everything was better back in the day, but at least it was, to some extent, honest. These days you can't tell the difference between a comercial and a song ... it is all bland crap.
I don't mid though, there is enough good stuff to last a lifetime, but there is no place for real music from here on and anyone thinking otherwise is kidding themselves. American Idol ... jesus christ.
You do realize everything you do in Sonar is "computer generated" though, right?
Absolutely, I never claimed to be a true musical genius or anything. I am just playing around. Listening to most of the stuff produced, so is the vast majority of other people too.
I didn't mean you in particular (I have no idea what kind of music you produce), what I meant was, everything we do in a digital audio workstation is "computer generated."
I think music being created in computer per se is not bad, it is just another tool. What I was driving at was more the purely computer generated stuff, that is music by formula, algorithms and even AI if you will. Sometimes I think we should not do everything just because we can :)
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sharke
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Re: Music was much better when fugly people were allowed to release records
2017/12/16 16:06:52
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tobiaslindahl
sharke
tobiaslindahl
sharke
tobiaslindahl
Yea, because music is ALL to do with visuals.
There is no hope for music going forward. The only road I see is more computer generated crap and product. The age of so called "real" music is gone. Not saying everything was better back in the day, but at least it was, to some extent, honest. These days you can't tell the difference between a comercial and a song ... it is all bland crap.
I don't mid though, there is enough good stuff to last a lifetime, but there is no place for real music from here on and anyone thinking otherwise is kidding themselves. American Idol ... jesus christ.
You do realize everything you do in Sonar is "computer generated" though, right?
Absolutely, I never claimed to be a true musical genius or anything. I am just playing around. Listening to most of the stuff produced, so is the vast majority of other people too.
I didn't mean you in particular (I have no idea what kind of music you produce), what I meant was, everything we do in a digital audio workstation is "computer generated."
I think music being created in computer per se is not bad, it is just another tool. What I was driving at was more the purely computer generated stuff, that is music by formula, algorithms and even AI if you will. Sometimes I think we should not do everything just because we can :)
Well if we're talking formulas, the popular music of the last 50-60 years is riddled with them. People banging out the same chords and singing the same melodies over and over. I'm not sure what you mean by algorithms - but we could for example cite the trusty old arpeggiator, which has been in solid use for over 30 years, even in "real" music played by musicians. I don't know of anyone who's releasing music that's purely generated by AI. Of course many modern producers will incorporate parts that have at some point involved throwing MIDI at some wacky Reaktor instrument which throws out a corresponding MIDI output, but you'd be hard pressed to find a single track that was "automatically" generated this way in its entirety. I think what you'll find is that producers of modern electronic basic music are entering parts on their keyboard and banging out rhythms on drum pads, i.e. using their musical abilities just as traditional musicians do, but on different instruments. And then you'll find producers of "real" music quite happily dragging patterns from Addictive Drums into their productions. So there's a lot of overlap.
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Re: Music was much better when fugly people were allowed to release records
2017/12/16 16:56:39
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sharke
tobiaslindahl
sharke
tobiaslindahl
Yea, because music is ALL to do with visuals.
There is no hope for music going forward. The only road I see is more computer generated crap and product. The age of so called "real" music is gone. Not saying everything was better back in the day, but at least it was, to some extent, honest. These days you can't tell the difference between a comercial and a song ... it is all bland crap.
I don't mid though, there is enough good stuff to last a lifetime, but there is no place for real music from here on and anyone thinking otherwise is kidding themselves. American Idol ... jesus christ.
You do realize everything you do in Sonar is "computer generated" though, right?
Absolutely, I never claimed to be a true musical genius or anything. I am just playing around. Listening to most of the stuff produced, so is the vast majority of other people too.
I didn't mean you in particular (I have no idea what kind of music you produce), what I meant was, everything we do in a digital audio workstation is "computer generated."
That's like saying every painting is "paintbrush generated"
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sharke
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Re: Music was much better when fugly people were allowed to release records
2017/12/16 17:15:20
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Karyn
sharke
tobiaslindahl
sharke
tobiaslindahl
Yea, because music is ALL to do with visuals.
There is no hope for music going forward. The only road I see is more computer generated crap and product. The age of so called "real" music is gone. Not saying everything was better back in the day, but at least it was, to some extent, honest. These days you can't tell the difference between a comercial and a song ... it is all bland crap.
I don't mid though, there is enough good stuff to last a lifetime, but there is no place for real music from here on and anyone thinking otherwise is kidding themselves. American Idol ... jesus christ.
You do realize everything you do in Sonar is "computer generated" though, right?
Absolutely, I never claimed to be a true musical genius or anything. I am just playing around. Listening to most of the stuff produced, so is the vast majority of other people too.
I didn't mean you in particular (I have no idea what kind of music you produce), what I meant was, everything we do in a digital audio workstation is "computer generated."
That's like saying every painting is "paintbrush generated"
Right, which is on the same level of ridiculousness as dismissing MIDI/synth based music as being "computer generated." Look at some of the art being created using programs such as Adobe Illustrator. There are some truly stunning examples of artistic brilliance, and yet the artists behind them are using algorithmic tools in the program to lay their work out, draw straight lines and curves, apply fills and textures, rotate and resize elements. And yet it still takes immense artistic skill to use these tools to create things with artistic merit. This kind of art is often dismissed by the older generation as being "computer generated," but really, you cannot even begin to create such work with a program like Illustrator unless you have an artistic eye and the skills to use those tools to artistic effect. At the end of the day, what is the difference between someone drawing a perfect circle in Illustrator and someone drawing a perfect circle with a compass? Or using a ruler to draw a straight line? They're just tools, after all.
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Re: Music was much better when fugly people were allowed to release records
2017/12/16 17:25:29
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Karyn
sharke
tobiaslindahl
sharke
tobiaslindahl
Yea, because music is ALL to do with visuals.
There is no hope for music going forward. The only road I see is more computer generated crap and product. The age of so called "real" music is gone. Not saying everything was better back in the day, but at least it was, to some extent, honest. These days you can't tell the difference between a comercial and a song ... it is all bland crap.
I don't mid though, there is enough good stuff to last a lifetime, but there is no place for real music from here on and anyone thinking otherwise is kidding themselves. American Idol ... jesus christ.
You do realize everything you do in Sonar is "computer generated" though, right?
Absolutely, I never claimed to be a true musical genius or anything. I am just playing around. Listening to most of the stuff produced, so is the vast majority of other people too.
I didn't mean you in particular (I have no idea what kind of music you produce), what I meant was, everything we do in a digital audio workstation is "computer generated."
That's like saying every painting is "paintbrush generated"
Not with this crowd, Karyn. They use crayons! 
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sharke
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Re: Music was much better when fugly people were allowed to release records
2017/12/16 19:41:39
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Karyn
sharke
tobiaslindahl
sharke
tobiaslindahl
Yea, because music is ALL to do with visuals.
There is no hope for music going forward. The only road I see is more computer generated crap and product. The age of so called "real" music is gone. Not saying everything was better back in the day, but at least it was, to some extent, honest. These days you can't tell the difference between a comercial and a song ... it is all bland crap.
I don't mid though, there is enough good stuff to last a lifetime, but there is no place for real music from here on and anyone thinking otherwise is kidding themselves. American Idol ... jesus christ.
You do realize everything you do in Sonar is "computer generated" though, right?
Absolutely, I never claimed to be a true musical genius or anything. I am just playing around. Listening to most of the stuff produced, so is the vast majority of other people too.
I didn't mean you in particular (I have no idea what kind of music you produce), what I meant was, everything we do in a digital audio workstation is "computer generated."
That's like saying every painting is "paintbrush generated"
Not with this crowd, Karyn. They use eat crayons!
FIFY
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Re: Music was much better when fugly people were allowed to release records
2017/12/16 19:52:32
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Not with this crowd, Karyn. They use eat crayons!
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Re: Music was much better when fugly people were allowed to release records
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Re: Music was much better when fugly people were allowed to release records
2017/12/16 20:49:09
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Actually, I find this much uglier ..... Missed the point much 
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Re: Music was much better when fugly people were allowed to release records
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☄ Helpfulby SteveStrummerUK 2017/12/16 22:25:36
I can imagine Shane McGowan in a drunk tank on Christmas Eve.
I'm now imagining Ed Sheeran submerged in the water tank of an abbatoir on the outskirts of Cromarty.
On a Friday evening.
At the start of a Bank Holiday weekend.
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Re: Music was much better when fugly people were allowed to release records
2017/12/16 21:36:54
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Wait, I thought we were talking about ugly people. That was interesting.
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Re: Music was much better when fugly people were allowed to release records
2017/12/16 21:41:37
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sharke
Karyn
sharke
tobiaslindahl
sharke
tobiaslindahl
Yea, because music is ALL to do with visuals.
There is no hope for music going forward. The only road I see is more computer generated crap and product. The age of so called "real" music is gone. Not saying everything was better back in the day, but at least it was, to some extent, honest. These days you can't tell the difference between a comercial and a song ... it is all bland crap.
I don't mid though, there is enough good stuff to last a lifetime, but there is no place for real music from here on and anyone thinking otherwise is kidding themselves. American Idol ... jesus christ.
You do realize everything you do in Sonar is "computer generated" though, right?
Absolutely, I never claimed to be a true musical genius or anything. I am just playing around. Listening to most of the stuff produced, so is the vast majority of other people too.
I didn't mean you in particular (I have no idea what kind of music you produce), what I meant was, everything we do in a digital audio workstation is "computer generated."
That's like saying every painting is "paintbrush generated"
Right, which is on the same level of ridiculousness as dismissing MIDI/synth based music as being "computer generated." Look at some of the art being created using programs such as Adobe Illustrator. There are some truly stunning examples of artistic brilliance, and yet the artists behind them are using algorithmic tools in the program to lay their work out, draw straight lines and curves, apply fills and textures, rotate and resize elements. And yet it still takes immense artistic skill to use these tools to create things with artistic merit. This kind of art is often dismissed by the older generation as being "computer generated," but really, you cannot even begin to create such work with a program like Illustrator unless you have an artistic eye and the skills to use those tools to artistic effect. At the end of the day, what is the difference between someone drawing a perfect circle in Illustrator and someone drawing a perfect circle with a compass? Or using a ruler to draw a straight line? They're just tools, after all.
I would agree that they are just different tools but there is an inherent ease in doing some work in Illustrator than doing it by hand. For example, pointillism can now be done in a split second with a plugin whereas in the past it would take many hours of painstaking work with an artists eye. It does not take any real talent to apply a plugin. Likewise, would a Rothko be as valuable if it were done in Photoshop in about 3 minutes? (just as an example as I think Rothko's shtuff is highly overrated) I guess it depends on what you consider an acceptable style. A lay person can now drag pre-recorded clips onto a timeline and release it to the world. Does that make them a musician and their work art? Or, are the just polluting the public ear and effectively breaking down any previous standards of talent and good music?
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Re: Music was much better when fugly people were allowed to release records
2017/12/16 22:45:43
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On the other hand, there are many people out there who have everything going for them - I've seen many genuinely talented classical pianists or opera singers who happen to be gorgeous.
It's usually not aa much of a prerequisite to make a career as a classical musician - although I suppose that good looking fellows do tend to get the lead roles. But talent is still required.
Similarly, in pop, Elvis who has been mentioned earlier was a lot more than just a pretty face. Of course, nowadays, his looks would be sufficient to build a career.
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Re: Music was much better when fugly people were allowed to release records
2017/12/16 23:16:12
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Sir Elton aint a bad looker if you stand 100metres away and squint crosseyed.........
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sharke
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Re: Music was much better when fugly people were allowed to release records
2017/12/17 01:07:15
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DrLumen
sharke
Karyn
sharke
tobiaslindahl
sharke
tobiaslindahl
Yea, because music is ALL to do with visuals.
There is no hope for music going forward. The only road I see is more computer generated crap and product. The age of so called "real" music is gone. Not saying everything was better back in the day, but at least it was, to some extent, honest. These days you can't tell the difference between a comercial and a song ... it is all bland crap.
I don't mid though, there is enough good stuff to last a lifetime, but there is no place for real music from here on and anyone thinking otherwise is kidding themselves. American Idol ... jesus christ.
You do realize everything you do in Sonar is "computer generated" though, right?
Absolutely, I never claimed to be a true musical genius or anything. I am just playing around. Listening to most of the stuff produced, so is the vast majority of other people too.
I didn't mean you in particular (I have no idea what kind of music you produce), what I meant was, everything we do in a digital audio workstation is "computer generated."
That's like saying every painting is "paintbrush generated"
Right, which is on the same level of ridiculousness as dismissing MIDI/synth based music as being "computer generated." Look at some of the art being created using programs such as Adobe Illustrator. There are some truly stunning examples of artistic brilliance, and yet the artists behind them are using algorithmic tools in the program to lay their work out, draw straight lines and curves, apply fills and textures, rotate and resize elements. And yet it still takes immense artistic skill to use these tools to create things with artistic merit. This kind of art is often dismissed by the older generation as being "computer generated," but really, you cannot even begin to create such work with a program like Illustrator unless you have an artistic eye and the skills to use those tools to artistic effect. At the end of the day, what is the difference between someone drawing a perfect circle in Illustrator and someone drawing a perfect circle with a compass? Or using a ruler to draw a straight line? They're just tools, after all.
I would agree that they are just different tools but there is an inherent ease in doing some work in Illustrator than doing it by hand. For example, pointillism can now be done in a split second with a plugin whereas in the past it would take many hours of painstaking work with an artists eye. It does not take any real talent to apply a plugin. Likewise, would a Rothko be as valuable if it were done in Photoshop in about 3 minutes? (just as an example as I think Rothko's shtuff is highly overrated)
I guess it depends on what you consider an acceptable style. A lay person can now drag pre-recorded clips onto a timeline and release it to the world. Does that make them a musician and their work art? Or, are the just polluting the public ear and effectively breaking down any previous standards of talent and good music?
I get what you're saying about Illustrator, but the thing is I don't think technical ability equates to artistic worth. It's impressive, but not what art's all about. Take those photo-realistic pencil drawings that go viral sometimes. You have people who can replicate a black and white photograph with a pencil to such perfection that you cannot tell the difference. I used to know someone who did those. He would divide the photograph into squares, turn it upside down so that he wasn't distracted by the overall form, and work on it square by square. He'd measure distances very accurately and spend as much as a day on each square. The end result is certainly very impressive from a technical point of view - but is it art? Others mileage may vary but I say no. Quite frankly, I'd sooner look at the original photograph - at least the photographer has exercised some artistic value in choosing and framing the subject matter. And it's a similar story in Illustrator. Yes you can do some pretty cool stuff with a single click of a mouse, and if it makes people happy to look at then fair enough. But there are some very talented people out there executing stunning compositions that in no way, shape or form are going to be achievable by someone without artistic talent. They're still using digital tools, and much of the actual laying down of lines and color are done with a few clicks of the mouse, but at the end of the day the finished result is very much a product of the artist's eye. Which leads us onto the question of electronic music techniques. Really, I don't know of anyone who's getting signed by merely dragging commercial loops into their DAW. Of course someone who hates that style of music and has never attempted to create it will often claim that it is made that way. But give them the tools and tell them to come up with something good in that genre, they'd quickly realize that it's a lot harder than it looks. Even in the case of music that's comprised of samples of other tracks, well that's an artform in itself. There is a tremendous amount of musical skill and taste involved in searching through record collections to find little snippets of music that go together, and forming them into something coherent. DJ Shadow's seminal album "Entroducing" in the 90's was a great example of that. There is something beautiful in hearing disparate recordings thrown together in the same space when it sounds like they're playing together, and anyone without artistic ability who attempts to make music using such techniques will quickly discover that there's a lot more to it than they thought. Some modern EDM productions are extremely intricate affairs involving a level of musical detail that would baffle a lot of the people who claim that there's no talent behind it. Of course there is awful, generic, bland, predictable EDM out there. In fact, that's the majority of it. But you know what, that pretty much describes a lot of the music of any genre. I love the blues, but I've heard some pretty crap blues in my time - people playing the same licks and singing the same phrases without putting much thought into it. I've heard some pretty bland, derived jazz too. And don't even get me started on some of the boring, sterile Country & Western out there, lol.....
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Re: Music was much better when fugly people were allowed to release records
2017/12/17 01:13:47
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On the other hand, there are many people out there who have everything going for them - I've seen many genuinely talented classical pianists or opera singers who happen to be gorgeous.
It's usually not aa much of a prerequisite to make a career as a classical musician - although I suppose that good looking fellows do tend to get the lead roles. But talent is still required.
Similarly, in pop, Elvis who has been mentioned earlier was a lot more than just a pretty face. Of course, nowadays, his looks would be sufficient to build a career.
Yeah I was going to say the same thing about Elvis - he'd get signed purely on the basis of his looks these days, but you cannot take away the fact that he was a tremendous singer. And the musicians who worked with him were off the charts good as well. I think the trouble with some "pretty" people is that they are encouraged throughout life to believe that their looks will open any door for them. Many years ago I knew a guy who was extremely good looking and had to beat off the girls with the proverbial stick. He was a fairly decent singer and formed a band. But in all honesty, the music wasn't that good. It was decent, but nothing to get excited about. They used to come up with excuses as to why they never hit the big time, without ever stopping to consider that they were basically just another fairly good pub band. That guy deluded himself that stardom was just around the corner for 20 years, and now he's in his 40's and he's never had a proper job.
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Re: Music was much better when fugly people were allowed to release records
2017/12/17 01:31:32
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Two words that go against the OP: Susan Boyle. Discuss. (You know, that Olympic event? )
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Re: Music was much better when fugly people were allowed to release records
2017/12/17 03:31:42
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Two words that go against the OP: Susan Boyle.
Discuss.
(You know, that Olympic event?)
I think Susan Boyle is a special case though - she won the hearts and minds of the public in a televised talent show, and it was the juxtaposition of someone who looked a little frumpy and ordinary with such a spectacular singing voice. Also, people love a good rags to riches story. I doubt whether she would have ever been signed otherwise.
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Re: Music was much better when fugly people were allowed to release records
2017/12/17 07:50:34
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I spent about 30 years doing intensive, academic type study of music with various people and various schools. It was thoroughly enjoyable, kind of bittersweet on another level. It's amazing that music could be such a deep subject, such that the learning it always seems to be fresh and new . It's only 12 notes right? What's the big deal?
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Re: Music was much better when fugly people were allowed to release records
2017/12/17 08:25:05
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It's only 12 notes right? What's the big deal?
I know, and there's only 26 letters in the alphabet. Why aren't we all best selling authors?
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Re: Music was much better when fugly people were allowed to release records
2017/12/17 08:42:06
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eph221
It's only 12 notes right? What's the big deal?
I know, and there's only 26 letters in the alphabet. Why aren't we all best selling authors?
26? I thought "LMNO" was considered only one letter... 
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Re: Music was much better when fugly people were allowed to release records
2017/12/17 09:00:23
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I don't know what you mean Craig.
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Re: Music was much better when fugly people were allowed to release records
2017/12/17 15:08:38
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I don't know what you mean Craig.
Someone needs to go back and watch Sesame Street again...
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