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Musicians & SATAN...

Ok, this idea came to me a few years ago. I'm 36 and got my first keybaord when I was 15. I began producing sellable production music when I was about 19, nothing spectacular but sellable. How is it that some of the young kids like 14 or 15 are making some pretty remarkable music & selling millions (I know they have good producers but they have to be igniting the music). And why is it that a majority of these "TOP SELLERS" have dark or satanic undertones like Metallica or push their music with sex like Brittney Spears.

Don't get me wrong, I like Metallica's Music but this just seems to be a huge pattern. Are these kids making a deal with the devil at a young age which causes them to write morbid songs like the band "KORN"?

When I write a "dark" song it is to make the listener feel on edge & pay attention because I have something to teach, not to demoralize them with my distorted lyrics (most of my songs don't have lyrics anyway...). I just can't think of a reason why I would ever write a song that would sacrifice another human beings spirit in any way & it's so prevailent in the modern music industry.

I'm really serious about this and hope your not offended by the post. You fellow sonar users a musicians I can rellate to and would like your opinion.

What do YOU think?

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    RE: Musicians & SATAN... 2009/01/18 23:39:39 (permalink)
    you're barking mad if you think metallica is a satanic band?!?!

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    RE: Musicians & SATAN... 2009/01/18 23:44:22 (permalink)
    I guess I may be wrong on that, but what is their song "exit light enter night off to never never land..." about?

    I'm not trying to bang bibles and whatnot I just wonder what causes such young kids to write such deep dark music?

    Thanks for your respone!

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    RE: Musicians & SATAN... 2009/01/18 23:45:56 (permalink)
    How is it that some of the young kids like 14 or 15 are making some pretty remarkable music & selling millions (I know they have good producers but they have to be igniting the music). And why is it that a majority of these "TOP SELLERS" have dark or satanic undertones like Metallica or push their music with sex like Brittney Spears.


    I have two answers for myself on this :

    1- It's the Bush years (thank god they're ending). It was a dark 8 years. I say this because it's like a 'groove'. Musicians understand what a groove is. I suggest there is a groove in the world. A universal groove, so to speak, and that tone is set by its leaders. So we as a people participate and feel this mass groove.

    Some of the so-called music being put out there for consumption is more about the human condition expressing itself than about the art of creativity.

    2- Commercialism. Many people live mundane lives, so they over indulge in entertaining themselves, pampering themselves, etc. And in order to validate this lifestyle, they seek out comradary. Britney was marketed that way. T&A were more prominent than her real talent (she is talented). But they used her as a tool, unfortunately.

    They say water seeks its own level. In a similar manner, Everyone does. That's why there are those who were pro Sarah Palin and those who were not.

    And, of course, the big pendulum that swings.

    I always felt we could break everything down into its most simple/basic form of GOOD Sh*t, BAD Sh*t, and BULL Sh*t.

    If you apply that to things that come at you in life, it really does boil down to those three things in my opinion ;) And there's gonna be a little bit of that in everything that exists, maybe not in equal parts (hopefully not, actually).

    And, of course, notice that BAD Sh*t and BULL Sh*t both start with BS, so there may always be more of that anyway ;)


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    RE: Musicians & SATAN... 2009/01/18 23:46:16 (permalink)
    What song by Metallica is satanic? You know that Creeping Death is a bible story, right?

    This post offers even more proof that people who believe in god are mentally ill.

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    RE: Musicians & SATAN... 2009/01/18 23:51:28 (permalink)
    I actually hate using this forum for these types of discussions, but I must add I don't think it's about believing in a god so much as it is believing in a religion. Religions are more political than most admit.

    Believing in something bigger than ourselves can be inspiring, but not if it's tainted by political-ness.


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    What song by Metallica is satanic? You know that Creeping Death is a bible story, right?

    This post offers even more proof that people who believe in god are mentally ill.


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    RE: Musicians & SATAN... 2009/01/18 23:57:07 (permalink)
    That is my feeling also that these young kids are not "ENTERING A CONTRACT WITH SATAN (sorry Metalilica Fans, I didn't mean to imply they were SATANIC)" but that the force of overwhelming waves from the (bad) **** that sits atop the pyramid of power has such influence that a lost soul may find themselves beached on devils island, so to speak.

    I feel very lucky to have a lot of creative outlets in my life and the ability to produce art that can impact people, hopefully for the good (****). I personally feel something is going to happen pretty soon where the veil of deceptiont will be lifted and artists who followed the path of the heart will be able to breathe freely again and use their new found power to truly inspire the masses rather than dumb them down.

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    RE: Musicians & SATAN... 2009/01/19 00:00:55 (permalink)
    By the way I'm sorry for not putting this in a "general forum" or something, I pretty much only come to SONAR PE & the songs forum, I probably should have put it there.

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    RE: Musicians & SATAN... 2009/01/19 00:03:55 (permalink)
    i'm gonna chalk this one up to shamless self-promotion (which it REALLY seems like to me.) i get a really strong "i'm right & there wrong" vibe from it. sorry if i'm way off...but that's just how it came across here..

    but i'm bored so..i'll play anyways...

    you asked....WHY???

    i always thought the following was pretty much common knowledge...

    1) it's a money making gimmick
    2) it's an image gimmick (goes along w/#1)
    or
    3) that's actually what they think and/or want to be/sound like and isn't that just fine? especially since that's one of the things that's so awesome about music??? there's all type's that appeals to all types... just my .02

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    RE: Musicians & SATAN... 2009/01/19 00:15:31 (permalink)
    No, it's definetly Satan. And we are all in trouble Tuesday when his number one cronie Obama is sworn in.

    Original: ba_midi

    1- It's the Bush years (thank god they're ending). It was a dark 8 years. I say this because it's like a 'groove'. Musicians understand what a groove is. I suggest there is a groove in the world. A universal groove, so to speak, and that tone is set by its leaders. So we as a people participate and feel this mass groove.


    Sorry, I just couldn't take that seriously.
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    RE: Musicians & SATAN... 2009/01/19 00:15:37 (permalink)
    I guess, then, that Celine Dion represents the forces of light. Geeze - we are in bad shape.

    You're in an amazing state.

    So stay there.
     

     
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    RE: Musicians & SATAN... 2009/01/19 00:25:40 (permalink)
    Celine Dion, very well produced and great marketing but that's not what I'm shooting for. When I was in highschool I really liked the band ENIGNMA, now they were openly pagan I think (you know I show have never mention satan in this post, I should have said music that makes you fell good, strong or makes you smarter versus music that makes you fell bad, deceitful or sad or useless or dumbs you down).

    So I'm not trying to even say good versus evil or anything about religion just what as a musician would inspire someone to write a song that is overall harmfull to it's listeners in a literall or spiritual manner.

    Am I just wrong here or isn't there alot of downer music out there that record companies spend alot of money to put in the face of our children?

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    RE: Musicians & SATAN... 2009/01/19 00:31:48 (permalink)
    A higher place is not always a happy place. Take the blues for example.

    You're in an amazing state.

    So stay there.
     

     
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    RE: Musicians & SATAN... 2009/01/19 00:56:45 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: shawn@trustmedia.tv


    Am I just wrong here or isn't there alot of downer music out there that record companies spend alot of money to put in the face of our children?




    They don't care about "our children". They care about "our children's wallets". It's a business not a social service. It panders to the natural state of teenage rebellion and wanting to be different from their parents. In some cases, the kids take it way out to the edge. Any straight teenage boy who sees Britney in that schoolgirl outfit is going to want more of that and will pay whatever to get it. If buying KORN cd's pisses off their parents then they're going to do that. The record companies analyze and specialize in that marketing paradigm and have since the 1950's. This is nothing new. The stakes have been raised, but even Elvis was screenblocked from the waist down on the Ed Sullivan Show.

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    RE: Musicians & SATAN... 2009/01/19 01:04:48 (permalink)
    It's like this.

    The people in the 50's who said rock and roll was the devil's music? They were, basically, right. Maybe not literally, but they saw what they saw and they knew what they were responding to and talking about, and used words and language that came most naturally to them.

    The people in the 60's who burned Beatle records cos John Lennon said they were bigger than Jesus? They were right. So was John.

    The people today who think that acts like Britney and Christina, and before them, Madonna, and so on, "push" their music with sex and sexulize the culture? They're right.

    The people who complain, not just about music, but about how the media and Hollywood are a force of cultural corrosion? They're all right as well, based on their understanding of corrosion, and what they see as being corroded, and their relationship to those things.

    Perhaps some things are in need of some good corrosion.

    What I love about popular music and popular culture generally is its potential for corrosion. That's what first drew me to it and what makes me produce it. I hope to be as corrosive as possible. In a delightfully entertaining don't-take-this-seriously kind of way, of course.

    I usually avoid threads like this. But this time the devil made me do it.

    (By the way, please don't read this in any way as a personal thumbs up to Metallica or Korn or etc. S'not. I never listen to em -- if I'm gonna listen to boy bands, I'd rather listen to Fall Out Boy. I don't listen much to Britney either, but I appreciate her and am fond of her personally. As for Madonna, I recently got her Immaculate Conception DVD collection, her first videos from Borderline through Vogue. It's really easy today, given what she's become, to forget just how powerful and deserving her early work was and still is. All hail Queen Madge.)



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    RE: Musicians & SATAN... 2009/01/19 01:50:49 (permalink)
    Shawn,
    There's an old saying that art reflects life, but there are few artists making pop music these days, and even fewer that actually put any art in their music. Commercial music is not about art; it's about making money. Looking for the mirror that reflects meaningful aspects of life in commercial music is a useless enterprise. Making positive, life affirming, warm, happy, smart music is always an option; selling it is another matter, and making hits out of it yet another matter entirely.

    Remember this: Sex and death sells.

    If you want a real goal beside making money then try to write, perform, produce good music regardless of which side of the force it draws upon. If you feel compelled to balance out the bad feelings that seem at the root of commercial music there is no better way than to put the art back into the music. This means standing on the shoulders of the greats who have come before you, and trying to take the music someplace further. It also means struggling to get your message across to people who have forgotten how to listen to music because they think music is something that plays in the background, something to dance or party to, something you download for 99 cents, listen to a couple of times and then throw away. Ultimately you have to learn your craft, educate yourself in the history of music and the accomplishments of the masters, and become a master yourself. Then comes the really hard part: you will have to find an audience for good music.

    No one enters a contract with Satan, the veil of deception is self-induced, the path of the heart is but one of many paths. Most people have a hard time differentiating the good from the bad, and even more people make compromises because they have to survive.

    I feel for you. I spent years making enough money so I could do what I want to do instead of what I have to do. Now I find that I am disatisfied with my music because it isn't good enough. That is the risk you take unless you are truly talented, as well as inspired.

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    RE: Musicians & SATAN... 2009/01/19 01:53:40 (permalink)
    Here's a song I finished 3 days after 9/11 called "WARNING!" that I consider "dark" but not "destructive or corrosive to society", it's mean to be a warning sign & not a guidepost.

    link:
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    RE: Musicians & SATAN... 2009/01/19 01:56:58 (permalink)
    I've got a funny feeling that ol' Satan here is gonna show up in the Coffee House before very long...

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    RE: Musicians & SATAN... 2009/01/19 02:05:29 (permalink)
    That a 16 year old sex bomb can put on a little clothing and a lot of production and make it big in popular music does not sound like the devil's work to me. If a 70 year old overweight PhD. could do it, I would be a lot more suspicious.
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    RE: Musicians & SATAN... 2009/01/19 02:35:39 (permalink)
    Thats funny!

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    RE: Musicians & SATAN... 2009/01/19 02:43:56 (permalink)
    I hope you have not given up on your music, sometimes I go for years until I make something I am proud of & none of the stuff I'm proud of just came out of nowhere it came from the mindset that if I don't atleast keep trying I'll never get where I want to be. Thanks alot for the response, it was very inspiring & I just hope that you don't give up on your music or the world is not as good of place, I mean that. Now boot up SONAR...

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    RE: Musicians & SATAN... 2009/01/19 03:16:28 (permalink)

    list of stuff
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    RE: Musicians & SATAN... 2009/01/19 06:22:35 (permalink)
    (By the way, please don't read this in any way as a personal thumbs up to Metallica or Korn or etc. S'not. I never listen to em -- if I'm gonna listen to boy bands, I'd rather listen to Fall Out Boy. I don't listen much to Britney either, but I appreciate her and am fond of her personally. As for Madonna, I recently got her Immaculate Conception DVD collection, her first videos from Borderline through Vogue. It's really easy today, given what she's become, to forget just how powerful and deserving her early work was and still is. All hail Queen Madge.)

    Very important info. We all care so much.
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    RE: Musicians & SATAN... 2009/01/19 08:20:35 (permalink)
    I'm with you, evil mr potato head on a stick. Some guy we know nothing about, whose plans are decidedly socialist, whose associations ALL reek of radicalness and whose cabinet posts have some of the worst records of ANYONE in government.

    This is advertising at its best. Less substance than New Coke, but taken by the majority as the Gospel.

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    RE: Musicians & SATAN... 2009/01/19 08:26:42 (permalink)
    Tom Petty's Joe - my idea of Brittney, Christina and countless others.

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    RE: Musicians & SATAN... 2009/01/19 08:33:45 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: Marah Mag

    It's like this.

    The people in the 50's who said rock and roll was the devil's music? They were, basically, right. Maybe not literally, but they saw what they saw and they knew what they were responding to and talking about, and used words and language that came most naturally to them.

    The people in the 60's who burned Beatle records cos John Lennon said they were bigger than Jesus? They were right. So was John.

    The people today who think that acts like Britney and Christina, and before them, Madonna, and so on, "push" their music with sex and sexulize the culture? They're right.

    The people who complain, not just about music, but about how the media and Hollywood are a force of cultural corrosion? They're all right as well, based on their understanding of corrosion, and what they see as being corroded, and their relationship to those things.

    Perhaps some things are in need of some good corrosion.

    What I love about popular music and popular culture generally is its potential for corrosion. That's what first drew me to it and what makes me produce it. I hope to be as corrosive as possible. In a delightfully entertaining don't-take-this-seriously kind of way, of course.

    I usually avoid threads like this. But this time the devil made me do it.

    (By the way, please don't read this in any way as a personal thumbs up to Metallica or Korn or etc. S'not. I never listen to em -- if I'm gonna listen to boy bands, I'd rather listen to Fall Out Boy. I don't listen much to Britney either, but I appreciate her and am fond of her personally. As for Madonna, I recently got her Immaculate Conception DVD collection, her first videos from Borderline through Vogue. It's really easy today, given what she's become, to forget just how powerful and deserving her early work was and still is. All hail Queen Madge.)


    Nicely put. Friday on the radio I heard it was the 40th(?) anniversary of the Rolling Stones performance on the Ed Sullivan show when Ed forced them to change the words "Let's spend the night together" to "Let's spend some time together" because the original lyrics were outrageously offensive at the time. I'm sure Satan was blamed back then, too.

    A few minutes later, listening to the same radio station, I heard some new pop song where the chorus was something about "stick out your middle finger and say f[bleep] you". Is it Satanic? To us old grumpuses, maybe. But the new generation just laughs it off and has a good time, and I think that's the point of art--how is it received? I don't see anarchy or rioting in the streets, so I think we're safe to let our hair down once in a while.

    I personally don't care for Metallica, but that has nothing to do with their lyrical content. I just don't like the goofy faces the drummer makes all the time.

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    RE: Musicians & SATAN... 2009/01/19 08:37:41 (permalink)
    Marah Mag (AKA HCMC)

    Its funny, there was an episode of WKRP in Cincinnati on last night that dealt with this issue. Some religious group trying to pass out play lists of music that could not be played because they found it offensive, violent or sexual. One of the more poignant episodes.

    Personally, I love Bailey.

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    RE: Musicians & SATAN... 2009/01/19 09:13:45 (permalink)
    Shawn-"And why is it that a majority of these "TOP SELLERS" have dark or satanic undertones like Metallica or push their music with sex like Brittney Spears."

    You asked for opinions so I'll post mine.

    I don't know if what you state is fact or just your view. I do not see it the same. I wonder what you might think of something like Charlie Daniels " The Devil Went Down To Georgia" or where you draw your lines.

    I do know that people "draw lines" based on their moral values. I also believe that most mature folks don't like having decisions made for them. Should your concerns be stated for the welfare of "children" then as a parent it is the parents/guardians responsibility to protect them from "things in life" that you know or feel may be harmful until they are mature enough to make their own decisions. (and I don't think this thread is doing that)

    I also wonder about your intentions of posting this as I believe your are old enough to already know the issues pertaining to this topic.

    Respectfully,
    Michael
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    No How
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    RE: Musicians & SATAN... 2009/01/19 10:00:33 (permalink)
    Hello Shawn,

    It takes a real spark to stand up and say the obvious to a society drunk on 'corrosion'...me included.
    Could it be we humans are so arrogant as to not even second guess our real place in the overall picture? We laugh and scoff at the idea of being sublty manipulated by 'satan'. We, are generally speaking, manipulated by every breeze that blows by. The advertising, and entertainment industry are and have been aware of this for eons. Obviously 'someone' is profiting from our smug attitude and self-assurance while we blindly succumb (and spend).


    edit: too much coffee
    post edited by No How - 2009/01/21 09:40:40

    s o n g s

      – Beauty lodged in a bad hotel has no value.  Raymond Lull
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    RE: Musicians & SATAN... 2009/01/19 14:16:46 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: jinga8

    (By the way, please don't read this in any way as a personal thumbs up to Metallica or Korn or etc. S'not. I never listen to em -- if I'm gonna listen to boy bands, I'd rather listen to Fall Out Boy. I don't listen much to Britney either, but I appreciate her and am fond of her personally. As for Madonna, I recently got her Immaculate Conception DVD collection, her first videos from Borderline through Vogue. It's really easy today, given what she's become, to forget just how powerful and deserving her early work was and still is. All hail Queen Madge.)

    Very important info. We all care so much.


    That's my role. To edify and entertain.
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