Muting one track (but listening on headset) while recording live on second track

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2013/12/08 13:11:15 (permalink)

Muting one track (but listening on headset) while recording live on second track

I'm new, have X1  and tried many, MANY hours to figure it out myself.
 
How can I mute a track but still hear it on my headset while recording live to a second track.   
 
Thanks so very much!
 
 
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    Beepster
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    Re: Muting one track (but listening on headset) while recording live on second track 2013/12/08 13:31:43 (permalink)
    Gonna need some more details on what exactly is going on and what you are trying to do. Usually you'd just turn down your monitors and monitor through the headphones while you track and mute/solo whatever you don't want/want to hear. However if you are looking to create headphone mixes you may want to look at what your interface can do in that regards.
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    Re: Muting one track (but listening on headset) while recording live on second track 2013/12/08 13:47:58 (permalink)
    Someone set this up for me and it's beyond my understanding so I'm stuck. Here's my setup.  I'm using a Uno that goes from the back of my computer to my midi keyboard into a Mackie 1202 VLZ.  My headset can be plugged into my speakers OR I can listen directly from the Mackie.

    When I record, I get both the first track and (I haven't been able to do this yet) and want to hear myself solo on the second track WITHOUT recording the background music.  I hope this is clear, but I'm not sure I'm explaining it properly. 
     
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    Re: Muting one track (but listening on headset) while recording live on second track 2013/12/08 13:49:26 (permalink)
    Posted before I saw the last reply. So all the sound is coming from a keyboard synth that's being direct-monitored via the Mackie? Or you have a soundcard also sending audio to the Mackie or do you record from the Mackie's Main Outs?. Sounds like you might have the soundcard set to "What U Hear" or "Stereo Mix" where you're monitoring from the output of the soundcard instead of the input, but your routing still isn't clear enough to be sure.
     
     
    post edited by brundlefly - 2013/12/08 14:00:19

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    Re: Muting one track (but listening on headset) while recording live on second track 2013/12/08 13:55:38 (permalink)
    Thanks for your help.
     
    How do I put a pre-fader Send?
     
    Which would be the dedicated output on which interface?  This is where I get confused. Very confused. 
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    Re: Muting one track (but listening on headset) while recording live on second track 2013/12/08 14:00:40 (permalink)
    If I listen to the headset plugged into the mackie mixer I hear only the solo instrument.  If I plug the headset into the speakers I hear only the background track.  I'd like to hear both at the same time while recording only the solo track.
     
    I hope this is more clear. 
     
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    Re: Muting one track (but listening on headset) while recording live on second track 2013/12/08 14:01:29 (permalink)
    Scratch that, and see the edit to my previous post.

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    Re: Muting one track (but listening on headset) while recording live on second track 2013/12/08 14:07:41 (permalink)
    I'm not using the synth -- the cords are wired THROUGH the synth into the mixer (I rarely use the synth).  Right now I have an MP3 file on track 1.  I want to mic a solo on track 2.
    Make sense?
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    Re: Muting one track (but listening on headset) while recording live on second track 2013/12/08 14:17:21 (permalink)
    If I understand correctly, you're using the Mackie as an input mixer between your keyboard (and possibly other inputs) and the input of your soundcard. And you're direct-monitoring the live sound via the Mackie, but have the playback of recorded sound from SONAR going direct to your monitors from your soundcard output. Have I got that right?
     
    Frankly I'm afraid that sorting all this out is going to get more complicated than I want to try to do via forum posts. But basically you are going to want to eliminate the direct-monitored path, and monitor through SONAR if your soundcard will support a low enough audio latency.
     
    The UNO you mentioned is a MIDI interface, so no audio is going through that. And if you're not using the synth, are you recording guitar or vocals or some other miced source? I'm basically asking these questions for the benefit of others who might jump in to help because I'm about to go offline myself.
     
     

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    Re: Muting one track (but listening on headset) while recording live on second track 2013/12/08 14:19:08 (permalink)
    Sorry... I'm not following this routing situation at all. Ideally you want all your tracks to have their outputs going to the Master bus in Sonar (either directly or through other busses but just get them to point to the master for now) then have the master pointing to the monitor outputs on your interface or whatever is feeding your monitors. Then you should be able to hear both tracks at the same time and can adjust, mute, solo, etc.
     
    So track 1 (backing track) and track 2 (live input track) > Master > Interface/Soundcard monitor out > Monitors/Headphones.
     
    Sounds like you have things routed all over the place but isolated from themselves... but I'm not sure. :-/
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    Re: Muting one track (but listening on headset) while recording live on second track 2013/12/08 14:28:55 (permalink)
    I'll just say this.  If I wear TWO headsets (yeah, sounds strange), I can hear the background track from my speakers on one set.  Using  the 2nd headset I can hear the input from the mic (recording a sax solo to be more precise).
    Make sense now?  I just want to use one headset. 
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    Re: Muting one track (but listening on headset) while recording live on second track 2013/12/08 14:37:23 (permalink)
    Well that's the thing... you've got the tracks being outputted to two different places (still not sure how... I'm not familiar with the equipment you have mentioned). What you want is Sonar to output everything to ONE device that feeds you monitors. Basically you need an audio interface (ideal) or figure out how to send sound out through your computer's onboard soundcard (not ideal).
     
    Otherwise I guess if you have a mixer you could send the two separate signals you currently have feeding your two separate sets of headphones to two of the mixer's channels then listen through the mixer's headphone outputs. Just make sure it's a LINE level signal, not something coming from a power amp, or you might blow something. Turn down the monitors while you are recording so you are recording the monitor output through your sax mic.
     
     
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    Re: Muting one track (but listening on headset) while recording live on second track 2013/12/08 14:40:18 (permalink)
    Just curious... on the tracks, what does it say they are outputting to? On the Master Bus, what does it say it is outputting to?
     
    Use File > Save As before screwing around with the outputs in Sonar though so at least you can get back to whatever you are currently using.
     
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    Re: Muting one track (but listening on headset) while recording live on second track 2013/12/08 15:33:29 (permalink)
    Ok, I'll need some time to work on it tonight and THANK YOU so much for your input. :)
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    Re: Muting one track (but listening on headset) while recording live on second track 2013/12/08 16:00:58 (permalink)
    So far, I think the problem may be the play controls.  In a different program
    USING THE HEADSET FROM THE SPEAKERS (I'm not yelling, I'm just making this message clear to myself (lol), I muted aux and line in and another in the record control I clicked "mic in".  I seems to be recording only from the mic.  I don't know why it's working using a different program, but I'll try later to see if it works using Sonar as well. 
     
    It took me four hours (just today alone) to figure this out.  I think it's masochism. :)
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    Re: Muting one track (but listening on headset) while recording live on second track 2013/12/08 17:07:33 (permalink)
    I don't have a ton of time to spend on this, but maybe this will help.
     
    Since you have a mixer at your disposal, getting in touch with how it works will help you get this all working.  as mentioned by others, you need to get everything going to one place and then disseminating the signal out from there to where it needs to go.
     
    Here's what I see you doing (do all of this with the volume on everything turns WAY DOWN as there are chances for feedback until you get everything setup right):
     
    1.  Connect your sound card to inputs 1 and 2 on the Mackie.
    2.  Connect your monitors to the Main Outs 1/2 on the top right of the Mackie
    3.  Connect your headphones to the Phones jack on the top right of the Mackie
    4.  Connect the audio output of your midi keyboard to input 3/4 on the Mackie
    5.  Connect the Aux 1 Out from the Mackie to the Input on your soundcard
     
    To hear the mains, turn up the main outs on the Mackie (and make sure that inputs 1/2 have enough signal from your sound card)
    To hear the headphones, turn up the headphones on the Mackie
    To hear the keyboard, use the volume on Input 3/4 on the Mackie
    To adjust the record volume of your mic, on the channel where the mic is plugged in, adjust the AUX 1 Send knob.  Do not turn up the volume to the main volume while the monitors are turned up here or you will get feedback.  Also, do not ever turn up the AUX 1 send on the channels where the sound card outputs are plugged into the Mackie.
     
    See what this gets you.  Please be careful about the feedback thing and be very methodical about all of this.  Your mileage may vary as I don't know the specifics of the routing within the Mackie - so you might have to mess with things a bit to get them to work right.
     
    The point here is that the Mackie then becomes the central control point for both your record and playback.
     
    Hope this helps.  Gotta go - maybe someone else can chime in on this idea.

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    Re: Muting one track (but listening on headset) while recording live on second track 2013/12/08 17:21:53 (permalink)
    Thanks, Blades, I copied this and will be working on it later.  You wrote a lot so thank you and Beepster for taking the time to help.  MUCH appreciated!  MUCH!
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    Re: Muting one track (but listening on headset) while recording live on second track 2013/12/09 16:10:57 (permalink)
    <p>Thanks, Blades, I copied this and will be working on it later.&nbsp; You wrote a lot so thank you and Beepster for taking the time to help.&nbsp; MUCH appreciated!&nbsp; MUCH!</p>
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