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2014/12/29 17:02:49 (permalink)

My Absolute Favorite Vocal Plugin

When I record vocals my room has an ambiance that I do not like.
 
So I use Izotope's Denoiser. It "learns" from a two or three measure "silence" and then I bounce the whole (fx'd) track to a new track.
 
Seems to also reduce artifacts when I use melodyne on the vox.
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Re: My Absolute Favorite Vocal Plugin 2014/12/29 17:25:59 (permalink)
Thanks for the idea bapu. I have been debating the idea of forgetting all the shortcuts and actually getting my music room professionally treated but I haven't tried this shortcut yet. Could save $$$$$
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Re: My Absolute Favorite Vocal Plugin 2014/12/29 17:31:39 (permalink)
I've found their Declicker great for taking care of all the little ticks and pops that seem to creep into my tracks.  RX3 roolz -- I guess RX4 does too, but I haven't bothered to upgrade.
 
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Re: My Absolute Favorite Vocal Plugin 2014/12/29 17:32:19 (permalink)
I have been enjoying nectar elements. Very tempted to upgrade to full version
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Re: My Absolute Favorite Vocal Plugin 2014/12/29 18:43:41 (permalink)
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Thanks for the idea bapu. I have been debating the idea of forgetting all the shortcuts and actually getting my music room professionally treated but I haven't tried this shortcut yet. Could save $$$$$


Just remember, it does not make my vocals any better. 
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Re: My Absolute Favorite Vocal Plugin 2014/12/29 21:33:15 (permalink)
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Thanks for the idea bapu. I have been debating the idea of forgetting all the shortcuts and actually getting my music room professionally treated but I haven't tried this shortcut yet. Could save $$$$$


You need ARC2 from Ikmultimedia. There are quite a few happy users in this forum me included.

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Re: My Absolute Favorite Vocal Plugin 2014/12/30 00:00:40 (permalink)
If background noise is consistent (not transient-based), most noise reduction tools will do a decent job provided they have a clean "noise sample" to work with. A bar or two at the beginning and end of takes is usually more than enough to work with. Some noise reduction tools are exceptional, but they also tend to scale in price based on performance.

Nectar 2 is definitely worth running the trial on. I do not use the features of the "Production Suite" but it was part of the Studio Bundle. Melodyne trumps the pitch shifter in all aspects, and the breath control has no use for me, but the plugin itself has a complex FX chain including harmonizer that is rather nice.

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Re: My Absolute Favorite Vocal Plugin 2014/12/30 10:38:26 (permalink)
Thanks Ed!
I hear a "honky" mid thing in my vocals.
I've kinda written it off to my(your) voice never sounds the same recorded as I "hear" myself.
To me, I sound just like (enter top Brit vocalist name here), but to you !
Just sayin'...
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Re: My Absolute Favorite Vocal Plugin 2014/12/30 20:37:47 (permalink)
Yeah, just like 'em!


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Re: My Absolute Favorite Vocal Plugin 2014/12/30 20:38:36 (permalink)
bapu how close is the vocal mic to you when you record? The clip that Mccue has posted is irrelevant because that room would sound beautiful and yours does not.
 
You need to get the mic about 4 to 5" away with a pop filter in between. Room gone bro!

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Re: My Absolute Favorite Vocal Plugin 2014/12/30 20:49:10 (permalink)
That clip is also irrelevant because of the diffusion going on around the fireplace and I bet it is heavily furnished on the other side too.  The guitar is too loud in that clip too. Could have been recorded better.  The only thing that makes it good is Steve Winwood himself, not the apparent recording technique.

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Re: My Absolute Favorite Vocal Plugin 2014/12/30 21:21:06 (permalink)
lol
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Re: My Absolute Favorite Vocal Plugin 2014/12/30 21:31:35 (permalink)
There getting worse now Mike LOL! Sounds like the camera mic! And she is boring too. You cant beat close mic vocals, end of story.
 
 
bapu just get that mic in close bro!  hey bapu you could always try an SM58 touching the old lips mate! I read a great article by amazing producer Phil Ramone. I think he said Billy Joel often used an SM58 for the vocal takes up close.  You gotta be able to sing though!

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Re: My Absolute Favorite Vocal Plugin 2014/12/30 21:34:14 (permalink)
 
Jeff,
 
I should have been clearer. It's not so much the room (per se) but the ambient noise. I record about 3 feet away from my (supposedly) quiet DAW but I also have other noises (outside traffic) that get into the recording too.
 
I do record at about 4-5" away and I do have a pop filter.
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Re: My Absolute Favorite Vocal Plugin 2014/12/30 21:44:50 (permalink)
The best uke recording surely must be the one with the morbidly obese guy singing "Over the Rainbow" at the beach and also lazing in the surf. How they managed it so seamlessly is a testament to superb mic positioningt in difficult environs and best practice pop filter placement.
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Re: My Absolute Favorite Vocal Plugin 2014/12/30 21:47:39 (permalink)
bapu well that is interesting. All I can say is things must be loud where you are then. What I have found works well in some situations is using a downward expander setup on the mic signal on the way in preferably. You can set it in such a way as it will drop the gain right down between words and as soon as you make any sound it opens up again. If you are careful about it you can also set the release carefully (faster) and it can end up virtually transparent.
 
What that will do is kill any background room tone and outside noises. Yes the unwanted stuff will still be there when you sing but the signal should mask the noise very well. You are only really noticing the stuff in between your words.
 
Another option is to record as you do and try setting that up over the vocal track after the event.  (in post) Sometimes I have to do this when I am recording relaxation voice overs for clients. They speak really soft in that situation and I have to take measures to quieten down the room tone. (and my space is real quiet!) It usually works well because there is often music under the final thing too and you dont hear it.
 
Be careful sampling the room tone and trying to remove it using noise reduction. You can get into more trouble sometimes doing that.  (vocals can get skewed up)

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Re: My Absolute Favorite Vocal Plugin 2014/12/30 21:57:49 (permalink)
Thanks Jeff.
 
So far my technique has not ruined any vocal takes. And since I mostly only record me, I'm the one who has to be satisfied. 
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. 2014/12/30 22:03:49 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby backwoods 2014/12/30 22:33:24
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Re: My Absolute Favorite Vocal Plugin 2014/12/31 14:28:38 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby mike_mccue 2014/12/31 15:51:10

Worst ARC 2 mix I evah herd.
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Re: My Absolute Favorite Vocal Plugin 2014/12/31 14:29:24 (permalink)
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You gotta be able to sing though!


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Re: My Absolute Favorite Vocal Plugin 2015/01/03 13:47:58 (permalink)
In our A suite we have to remember to shut off the AC before recording VO. On those rare occasions I do forget RX's denoise works a treat at removing the ever so slight hum and wind noise. Plus we use it extensively in our forensic work. Great program.

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