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2015/02/13 20:25:48 (permalink)

My Brave Face (Cover)

Here's my latest project. It's a cover version of Paul McCartney's 1989 song, "My Brave Face". I always liked the song and thought it should have had more airtime.
 
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Re: My Brave Face (Cover) 2015/02/14 04:25:45 (permalink)
Very nice. I listened to some of your other covers too, Kyrie and Africa, my favourites. Pro level performances IMO.

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Re: My Brave Face (Cover) 2015/02/14 09:00:31 (permalink)
Do not know the song, but that not surprising, the mix sounds well here and your vox sits well in the mix.  The mix sounds reasonably balanced with everything where it should be.
 
Thanks for sharing.

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Re: My Brave Face (Cover) 2015/02/14 12:01:36 (permalink)
good job on the cover.  vocals sound really good for this. mix is good

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Re: My Brave Face (Cover) 2015/02/14 17:38:55 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby MGC59 2015/02/15 12:36:04
this mix is soooo clean! Everything has its clearly defined space. How do you do this?
 
In particular, how ruthless are you with defining EQ curve boundaries? It sounds like you are NEVER allowing any instrument (say, voice) to overlap on top of guitar. If I were to look at your mix, would it look like a city skyline of skyscrapers?

see the distinct bandwidths, without much overlap? Is this how you mix?
 
I think my mixes look more like hills, lots of blends .. .

I think your mixes are some of the best I've heard here, any tips you'd care to divulge would be much appreciated!
 
sorry for the cheesy visuals,
 
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Re: My Brave Face (Cover) 2015/02/14 20:49:51 (permalink)
Mark - Nice cover, sounds really good.  Vocals are very well done.
 
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Re: My Brave Face (Cover) 2015/02/14 22:24:33 (permalink)
Great job!!  Your voice even sounds a bit like Paul.
 
Like emeralsoul above, you have a super clean sounding mix here.  Why don't you tell us a bit about how you work?
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Re: My Brave Face (Cover) 2015/02/15 12:34:20 (permalink)
Thanks for the compliments!
 
Emeraldsoul - the landscape is an awesome analogy and spot on! First off  the mix is all midi with vocals. No real guitars were harmed in the making of this song.
 
I use very little reverb and if I do it's of the short gated variety or a slap back delay. I learned here in this forum that subtle use of delay is cleaner than reverb.
 
Panning is the real key. I don't even know how to use an EQ, so I just do simple things like add a little 4k to 12k on the vocals and roll off some of the low end on the bass guitar.
 
The choice of instruments is what makes the mix sit well for me.
 
I use an IK EQ preset for the vocals that simulates a vintage sound and then I use hard compression with IK's White Compressor.
 
I also use the White Compressor to "fatten" up instruments that are not sitting in the mix very well. The drums have a New York Compressor blend to give them some clarity and snap.
 
I highly recommend Behind the Glass (Howard Massey) & The Mixing Engineers Handbook (Bobby Owinski) and just follow a lot of the suggestions and techniques. I learned about these books right here in this forum.
 
The best advice is mix everything totally dry until it sounds good, then sweeten it up.
 
With digital's clean sound you have a lot more room to pan and no noise floor. I use mono sounds more and pan them at random intervals, not 100% left or 100% right. That tip is in one of the books as well.
 
My only technique on the vocals is that I use Waves Vox Renaissance Mono (or stereo) on every vocal track I record. I record 4 takes of every vocal line and literally chop them up until the best final "take" is completed. The Vox Renaissance evens out the discrepancies in volume from the various takes. I know people say you can do this with any Comp/Limiter but I have only been able to do this with Vox Renaissance. It is my one essential plug I can't live without.
 
This particular song I double tracked the lead vocal only because the original did as well. Normally I just leave the Lead vocal in the center or near center. In this case I panned the two leads about 10% L and 15% right. The low harmony was also double tracked and panned a little wider than the lead voc. The high harmonies were panned wider like 9 o'clock and 3:30. Slightly random not symmetrically apart. As a general rule I keep the lower harmonies closer to the middle and the higher harmonies wider apart.
 
I used the same EQ and Reverb (very little/short gate) for both Lead Vocals and Backing Vocals. If I were recording someone else's voice I would not use this chain. It just works for my voice.
 
One last thing. All of this is what goes into the pre mastering mix. All reverb tails and esses get exaggerated in the final mastering mix. I try and balance all that into the pre mix. Occasionally, I may have the mix too dry and just add a very slight amount of reverb wash to the mastered mix. The compression used in mastering is what glues the mix together.
 
One lastnote:
As one of the books says; one reverb from one instrument can color a larger part of the mix. Use one reverb wash to color a whole bunch of instruments without actually applying it to them. Another good reason for not putting reverb on every instrument.
 
Hope this helps! Thanks again for the kind words.
Mark
 
 

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Re: My Brave Face (Cover) 2015/02/15 13:57:13 (permalink)
Great job! I've always loved the "Flowers in the dirt" album...probably Macs best since Wings. You've pretty much nailed this!

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Re: My Brave Face (Cover) 2015/02/16 19:07:12 (permalink)
Mark, this is a great mix. You have a natural ear for mixing.
 
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Re: My Brave Face (Cover) 2015/02/17 23:53:14 (permalink)
Thanks Dan, That's high praise coming from you!

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Re: My Brave Face (Cover) 2015/02/18 07:16:50 (permalink)
Thank you for the break down of your mix track.
Enjoyed vocals.

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Re: My Brave Face (Cover) 2015/02/18 08:47:17 (permalink)
MGC59
Thanks Dan, That's high praise coming from you!




Hah! You should hear my mixes from 5 years ago. They're painful to listen to now...lol.
 
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Re: My Brave Face (Cover) 2015/02/18 19:14:45 (permalink)
Mark, you are simply, one of the best.  I visit your site often and listen to Kyrie and Whispers and Moans.  Thanks for your long response.

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Re: My Brave Face (Cover) 2015/02/19 15:19:46 (permalink)
Thanks Lynn, Dan and garybrun!
 
Mixing is the such cumulative learning processes.
 
The software keeps getting better, the plugs are more CPU efficient and the PC's are getting so much faster.
For me the sound quality of these libraries has made mixing so much easier. My only complaint would be that there are so many sounds to audition. It can be insanely time consuming.
 
Having YouTube videos to access also doesn't hurt when trying to learn how to use all this stuff.
 
Thanks again!
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Re: My Brave Face (Cover) 2015/02/21 11:00:52 (permalink)
Wow, that really is a beautiful mix. 10/10. Superb vocals too.

 
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Re: My Brave Face (Cover) 2015/02/24 23:42:12 (permalink)
Well, I had totally forgotten about this tune.  Good memory and a fine production.  From what I remember, I think I like your cut better.  You really put together a nice cover tune. Great vocal! BUT WAIT, the next tune "What You Won't Do For oLove" came on.  Man you rocked that great song.  It always makes me feel good when I hear it.  I must have some great memories connected to that song.  I wish they weren't suppressed!  I loved it, Mark!!  Now ROCKETMAN!  I'm not a big cover fan but you blew these away.  Great work!  Do you use musicians or do it all yourself?  I'm glad you're up here.  
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Re: My Brave Face (Cover) 2015/02/25 12:48:14 (permalink)
Thank you Warren.
All my tracks are midi, with an occasional real guitar solo. I do all the vocals and producing. Once in a while I'll grab a midi file from the web and then re tweak the whole thing until it works with my software sounds.
I need to start posting some of my original tunes. I recently moved cross country so I'm still unpacking.
thanks again for the compliments!
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