My Hand in Yours remix 3/8--input on vocals?

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2011/03/03 20:28:45 (permalink)

My Hand in Yours remix 3/8--input on vocals?

A couple of young friends are enjoying using my studio to record his original songs.  This is the first one they've completed and the poor things have to depend on me to mix it.  I'm looking for some ears and some help here.  I've rarely mixed vocals and don't really know what I'm doing.  Thanks again, guys!

Song by Josh Greenslade, all performances and lead vocals by him.
BGV by Taylor Turner. 

My Hand in Yours

3/5--I tried to incorporate all of your ideas.  Thank you SO much for the detailed help, everyone.  I appreciate it immensely! 
 
3/7--more compression on vocals and less reverb on keys
post edited by Janet - 2011/03/08 17:37:01
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    Re:My Hand in Yours 2011/03/03 20:32:42 (permalink)
     
    Nice song. I had a problem hearing the vox right at the start, but they came up a bit. He plays piano well.

    The vox is a bit dry, but there's not much here to nit pick.

    Good job.




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    Re:My Hand in Yours 2011/03/03 23:09:45 (permalink)
    They certainly are off to a good start. Nice tune... Piano sounds really good. I think I would boost the main vocals a tad, and maybe eq. it a tad to boost the top end a touch ( more so in the beginning ) but other than that  very nice!

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    Re:My Hand in Yours 2011/03/03 23:17:20 (permalink)
    the piano playing is nice.  did he record on your keyboard and use ivory for sounds?

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    Re:My Hand in Yours 2011/03/03 23:37:18 (permalink)
    Agreed about bringing the vocals up, also they sound a bit muffled.  Plus, I think they could use a bit of v vocal.   Also maybe just a touch more reverb.

    Piano was great.

    Finally,


    This is the first one they've completed and the poor things have to depend on me to mix i


    I haven't heard anything you did that I didn't think was great so far, so I think they are in good hands.    Agreed though, that vocals are a challenge.







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    Re:My Hand in Yours 2011/03/03 23:46:37 (permalink)
    Yes verb on the vox, how do you have things panned? I would bring him right down the center obviously, and maybe put her off to one side a little? how's the piano panned? It sounds center to me? But I listen on phones. I would also have comped them, and I would touch them both up a bit... Others said brighten the vox, I agree. 

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    Re:My Hand in Yours 2011/03/04 01:08:41 (permalink)
    Hi Janet, nice song and nicely played and sung. Just t o make your producing job more difficult, you could also use less reverb on the piano and the strings to make it more intimate. Just a thought, hope we're still friends now .


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    Re:My Hand in Yours 2011/03/04 03:44:22 (permalink)
    Hey Janet, I agree with what was said above.  The piano sounds good, the vox could use some verb and volume.
    There was a little "pop" near the beginning, not sure if you are using a pop filter or not...you can probably zoom in and turn that spot down some.  I think a HP filter on ths vox might help brighten it up a tad as well as a high shelving EQ.

    I like the song and with just some minor fixes it sounds like you will be off to a major producer/mix engineer!


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    Re:My Hand in Yours 2011/03/04 10:41:05 (permalink)
    Add some compression on the lead vocal and do a HPF at 180hz. And it might be a bit boxy, so watch for a spike at 400-550hz.

    And widen the piano. Insert a send in the piano to a new bus, do a HPF at 250hz and then slap the Channel Tools on it, nice and wide.
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    Re:My Hand in Yours 2011/03/04 12:56:15 (permalink)
    Nice song!  Need to add a bit of reverb on the vocals to add space.  And yes some some compression on them too.  Nice intro with the violin, piano and synth. 

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    Re:My Hand in Yours 2011/03/04 13:28:27 (permalink)
    Nothing to really add  to whats already been suggested other than perhaps use a widener on the backing vocal.

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    Re:My Hand in Yours 2011/03/04 14:07:17 (permalink)
    Thanks for all your help guys!  I'll try those things you suggested. 

    Rik:  of course we're still friends.  :-)  Thanks...that's an easy enough fix. 

    Jim:  (JY).  I used the vocal compression setting in Sonar.  Perhaps I need to tweak that further?  The piano is already being sent to its own bus.  I'm guessing I can do what you suggested there? 

    Reece:  Yes.  Why?

    JC:  Good to see you around again. 

    Thanks to each and every one of you.  I will try all those things and I really appreciate it. 
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    Re:My Hand in Yours 2011/03/04 14:18:37 (permalink)
    It just sounds a little narrow, is all.

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    Re:My Hand in Yours 2011/03/04 14:22:27 (permalink)
    Different than on my pieces? 
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    Re:My Hand in Yours 2011/03/04 14:59:01 (permalink)
    not necessarily, but you have different elements in this project than in yours and you have almost no separation of elements in this one.  I'd widen the piano and the synth, in fact I'd probably use channel tools and widen the piano 100% and then widen the synth about 60-75%.

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    Re:My Hand in Yours 2011/03/04 15:58:46 (permalink)
    Janet your young friends are quite talented

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    Re:My Hand in Yours 2011/03/04 19:45:45 (permalink)
    EXCELLENT performance!  Reminds me of "Ben Folds Five". KUDOS on the mix.

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    Re:My Hand in Yours 2011/03/04 19:55:23 (permalink)
    Janet
    the piano and the main vox are competing for the same space space....So do what James has suggested....

    Pan that female vox to one side say in the 50% to 65% range to add some more seperation.....

    but a nice start for them.....

    It's kind of funny cause there is a very very very yong band down the block from me....they pratice all the time in the garage.....their parens are out side most of the time giving guidance......I some times wondeer if I should let them do some recording in my studio....

    so it is nice to hear you lending a hand to the youngsters.......remember now matter what .....with the amount of time that you have spent here you have improved vastly so I would venture to say you know a thing or two.

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    Re:My Hand in Yours 2011/03/04 22:37:52 (permalink)
    You've hooked up with some good players.   Very pretty song.  The mix sounds really good.  I will go along with the vocal suggestions.  Really nicely done, janet and friends!!

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    Re:My Hand in Yours 2011/03/05 01:44:36 (permalink)
     
     
      What I hear is the "song"as if there were some good ideas of "backing parts" as well as the song
    being somewhat of what the song "would sound like" after there were time and thought spent on
    "producing" this. By that I mean the "right parts" (arrangment),  (instruments). (the things you hear
    in the song?)
     
      If you think of a song (like this) (say a radio song or some song that you like) and think of the
    (instruments used) you might like something similar (and/or) you may like the way "that song" is
    mixed or something.
     
       To me this sounds like there is a "really good song" waiting to be done. (And) it sounds like there
    is a "really good" performance waiting to be heard "of that performance/song". I hear the male and
    female vocs both being very coordenated for lack of better words.
     
       It has a "disconnected" sound at the present which comes acrross as the "song" and the "performing
    of it" hasn't been played/polished/worked on etc enough for it to be played with confidence yet relaxed
    in doing so. It has "a new" sound, Not yet fully developed.
     
      I like the way that janet is mixing this in it present stage as there is no "fluff". It's somewhat like
    "what you see" (in this case Hear) is what you get. Be that the case I would use this mix as a
    starting point or reference, focusing on getting the (performers) (tracks) done.
     
           Then:
       Produced
       good performance from the players
       Once those good tracks are laid down you have something good to work with.
     
      I think this "could be" an "awesome" sounding song with some polishing.
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    Re:My Hand in Yours 2011/03/05 06:32:22 (permalink)
    Very nice playing, etc. I'll leave the vocal processing comments to the experts.

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    Re:My Hand in Yours 2011/03/05 11:54:09 (permalink)
    Most of my thoughts have already been stated, so I'll just say good stuff.

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    Re:My Hand in Yours 2011/03/05 18:31:30 (permalink)
    Tony, yes, they certainly are. :-)  He'll probably learn Sonar in about 1/10 the time it took me to. :-)

    Thanks, Kev.

    Thanks Clifford.  I think I did all you mentioned.  I really appreciate the help!  If you have time, go ahead and offer your studio to the kids.  It does take a good chunk of time though.  And yes, I do know a thing or two and I must say it's rather cool to be able to get around Sonar so easily.  Except when I realize that when he gets his own studio set up he'll probably learn it in a couple days.  lol

    Thanks Warren.  We'll see how this mix works.

    Thanks for your comments, Jimmy.  I believe you're saying they need to re-record everything?  I'm not sure we'll go that route right now.  I think he has about 30 songs that he'd love to record. I'm guessing that it won't be long before he gets himself set up with his own studio and then he can do it all himself and decide how well he wants the finished product.  In the meantime, I'll try to do the best I can with what I have. 

    Thanks Scotty.  Yeah, me too.  lol

    Thanks Mark.  This guy went to college for a music degree but quit after a year cause he had no time to compose his own music.  :)  I imagine he knew almost everything anyway....

    Anyway, I just finished a new mix, widening the piano and synth, increased the compression on the vox and eq'd them 9and the keys) as Jim suggested.  I'm not sure the volumes are right now, but I'm keeping my fingers crossed. 

    Mike, I'm not hearing the pop at the beginning.  :(  Major produced/mix engineer?  Well, no one would be more surprised than me.  lol
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    Re:My Hand in Yours 2011/03/05 18:36:11 (permalink)
    hang on....as of 5:35 CST it won't upload...
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    Re:My Hand in Yours 2011/03/05 18:38:57 (permalink)
    Done now.
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    Re:My Hand in Yours 2011/03/05 18:50:28 (permalink)
    Hi Janet, this sounds very nice, there's some real talent on show here, gut gemacht .


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    Re:My Hand in Yours 2011/03/06 00:29:28 (permalink)
    Very nice,  both playing and singing.  That's not an easy song to sing.  There may be things you could do to the vocals that could improve them some, but I like it pretty much the way it is.

    Keep up the good work!
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    Re:My Hand in Yours 2011/03/06 02:27:38 (permalink)
    Hi Janet,

    Really nice song... your friend has a very good voice...

    If you have control over it, I'd use less reverb on the piano.  It's not bad though... It sounds like a real, miked piano?

    Re. the vocals, I'd suggest more compression.  It's a trial and error process, but below is a suggestion for a starting point:

    Peace,

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    Suggested possible vocal settings (apply eq AFTER compression)


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    Re:My Hand in Yours 2011/03/06 21:22:46 (permalink)
    Rik:  Danke schoen. :)

    Thank you, gist.  I'm going to keep working on them.  And yes, he's a good song-writer, from what I've heard so far. :-)

    Thank you, Ian.  I appreciate the pictures very much!  I hope to get back to this in a day or two. 
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