My PC Finally hit the wall

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2011/10/20 10:18:08 (permalink)

My PC Finally hit the wall

I haven't had any problems with MC6 but I know how far my pc will go now. While working on my 12th track my computer crashed and I lost about 5 hours of work. Not a big deal ....but a question. Will freezing tracks that have midi loops help me? I have used the freeze function for my EZdrummer tracks but I'm talking about the included loops in the audio Library. I'm using 2 tracks with these loops but I don't know if it matters since there isn't really a plugin running them.
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    Guitarhacker
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    Re:My PC Finally hit the wall 2011/10/20 10:39:14 (permalink)
     Ouch... that hurts. 

    So how to prevent it from happening again.


    First.... find and use the SAVE button rather often. I learned this the hard way and now.... so have you. 

    If you save the project frequently, like after recording a new track or making a fair number of edits to a track, IF you have a crash, you only loose a small bit of the work. 

    Next... if you reduce the number of synths running in a given project by freezing them, then click SAVE.... you will reduce the processor load that is likely causing the crashes in the first place.  

    Freezing a track renders the midi to audio and puts the synth to sleep so it doesn't draw processing power away from other things it might be needed for. You can always unfreeze the synth if additional edits need to be made. 

    regardless of what you do and how you do it...... get into the habit of saving often. Then a crash is simply a bump in the road and not a disaster.

    hope this helps..... 

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    Re:My PC Finally hit the wall 2011/10/20 11:10:35 (permalink)
    The tracks are not necessarily the cause of the crash. Do you have any scheduled tasks that could have begun, like automatic virus scan or disk defrag?
    But yeah, save save save.

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    Re:My PC Finally hit the wall 2011/10/20 12:37:39 (permalink)
    I just made up a song to use as a learning tool for MC6. So I'm expecting a few learning moments. Save often....lesson learned. What about those loops though. Are they a synth? Does freezing them help at all? They are in the audio files that you can click and drag. I'm not in front of my home pc so I don't know exactly what their called? Thanks guys.
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    Re:My PC Finally hit the wall 2011/10/20 13:15:05 (permalink)
    if they are in an audio track they are audio. If they are in a midi track and look like dots and dashes on the track view they are midi. 

    Midi always requires a synth to play it. 

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    Re:My PC Finally hit the wall 2011/10/20 21:27:49 (permalink)
    Well the bad news is Freezing the midi tracks didn't help much. I'm still getting alot of drop outs. The good news is the song sounds great! I've re-did the work I lost and it's better now. I think this old laptop just needs replaced. It's only 3 gigs of ram. It will work for now...I bumped the song over to my Roland vs2400 and mastered it there. I can make this work untill I have more cash. Any ideas on making it better?
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    Re:My PC Finally hit the wall 2011/10/20 23:54:13 (permalink)
    Have you looked throught the help file section on "Improving Audio
    Performance" and "Dropouts And Other Audio Problems" in the Troubleshooting chapter?
    What's your sound card? If it's a stock computer sound card, there may be no solution except limiting the size of your projects, and there are some workarounds.
     
     
     

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    Re:My PC Finally hit the wall 2011/10/21 07:59:29 (permalink)
    If you did that, and still getting drops, I'd wager that the soundcard is a factory sound card. 

    The solution is to get a better audio interface, and if you work with midi, be sure it has a midi input on it. 

    Did I guess right?



    add: if you are using a factory card, the truth is, if you spend about $150 on a decent M-Audio or Focusrite USB audio/midi interface, you will very likely find that the computer is totally 100% workable as it is... no computer upgrade needed. 

    The factory card is a big road block to recording music effortlessly and when you eliminate that by adding a decent sound card (external USB) recording becomes a joy. Everything starts to work the way it's supposed to. 


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    Re:My PC Finally hit the wall 2011/10/21 10:23:09 (permalink)
    I'm using a line 6 hd500 as an interface. That bypasses the stock soundcard or chipset (I'm using a toshiba laptop) doesn't it? I'll read some more in the help files and see if that helps. I'm really pretty happy....just a little better will do. I won't have many projects as big as this one. reduce buffer size...increase latency...thanks for the help.
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    Re:My PC Finally hit the wall 2011/10/21 12:46:52 (permalink)
    I'm looking it up right now....yeah, technically it looks like it is. 

    It is not a standard USB interface as we know them. It combines the guitar/POD functions into a USB device.... so technically it might be an interface but it sure ain't the best way to do things. 

    really, I would say contact Line 6 for support on this product. 

    Aside from having the most recent driver updates.... what driver mode does it use? ASIO? or something else? 

    are you able to monitor the MC output through the POD's audio outputs? 

    Without actually seeing it and playing around with it.... IDK. 

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    Re:My PC Finally hit the wall 2011/10/21 20:38:45 (permalink)
    Yeah ASIO. Yes you can monitor MC6 outputs. I acually have the left and right xlr from the hd500 running to two tracks on my vs2400. That way they are both running through the monitors and I can easily record the MC6 tracks to my 2400. Only draw back for me using the hd500 as an interface is the usb output isn't adjustable.
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    Re:My PC Finally hit the wall 2011/10/21 20:45:49 (permalink)
    To be clear there is a master volume. but to set my guitar input level I have to adjust the amp inside my patch.
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    Re:My PC Finally hit the wall 2011/10/22 09:03:21 (permalink)
    THe USB connector is not meant to be adjustable.... it's the pipeline between the computer and interface.... data travels on that wire...not audio. 

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    Re:My PC Finally hit the wall 2011/10/22 23:53:58 (permalink)
    What I mean is....When using the hd500 as an audio interface, there isn't a way to adjust your line level other than adjusting your patch. This is a big complaint from many hd500 users.

    Thanks SeriousNoise! Those videos look helpful. I'm using vista.
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    Re:My PC Finally hit the wall 2011/10/23 08:22:11 (permalink)
    OK...I see... that's where a real/dedicated, interface with input level controls really helps. 

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